WATER and Economic Development

WATER and Economic Development

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M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#1 Aug 31, 2012
Since this thread I started once before totally disappeared , I am posting it again. How long will it last this time?
Interesting article on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News today.(8-31-12).
"They" are stating that this airport expansion is being proposed to bring economic development.
and yet , if you read this article, if we have more factories come...we may not have the water?
They are advocating another water source. I wholeheartedly agree and have been advocating for this for some time.
It is a basic NEED of Economic Development..so why build a 32 million dollar airport expansion to bring jobs when we cant provide the water needed?
Cart before the horse yet again.
QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE: "Questions from the DCRC board led to discussion of water supply strain if there is further economic development.
Wetzal confirmed that a dwindling number of factories in Decatur County have significantly relieved water demand.
He said 37 people have reported their wells running dry because of the drought, and he suspects factory development will create more water shortages.
Wetzal said the Rural Water Corp. is searching for another source in eastern Bartholomew County out of concern for the steadily increasing population, plans to finish expansion, and potential factory development.
Currently, water is taken from the Flat Rock River, the Greensburg reservoir and six wells."
http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1636931...
lucille ball ghost

United States

#2 Aug 31, 2012
what a snore and a dull bore you ore!
Hoosier Hillbilly

Valparaiso, IN

#3 Sep 1, 2012
Build a lake large enough to have an 'island' airport in the center. I'm sure it would create
additional traffic from coastal states since they'll be able to land on water.

The HIGH-FLYING ( "Recreation"Center )) of the
NATION!!!!
If your going to think big...THINK BIG !!!!!!
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#4 Sep 1, 2012
The Proposed Airport expansion has Greensburg's normal "CART BEFORE THE HORSE" syndrome.

We are proposing a 32 million dollar over the next 20 years airport expansion for Economic Development reasons and yet we don't have the water for economic development.

QUOTE FROM THE GREENSBURG DAILY NEWS FRONT PAGE ARTICLE (8-31-12):

"Questions from the DCRC board led to discussion of water supply strain if there is further economic development.

Wetzal confirmed that a dwindling number of factories in Decatur County have significantly relieved water demand.

He said 37 people have reported their wells running dry because of the drought, and he suspects factory development will create more water shortages.
Wetzal said the Rural Water Corp. is searching for another source in eastern Bartholomew County out of concern for the steadily increasing population, plans to finish expansion, and potential factory development.

Currently, water is taken from the Flat Rock River, the Greensburg reservoir and six wells." END QUOTE

http://greensburgdailynews.com/local/x1636931 ...
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#5 Oct 18, 2012
"Water issues were also dicussed, it was noted that while the city has plenty of water capacity, The Honda plant is currently only operating at one-fourth of its water capacity.

Redevelopment Commission Chairman Mike Walker told WTRE news that if additional water supply is required, the Decatur County Redevelopment Commission would work with both City of Greensburg and County officials and explore all options to help secure new water sources which could include a reservoir. Actually, previous cost projections indicate that constructing a new water reservoir is the most costly and most likely not the preferred system compared to other water source options available. "

http://www.ask4direct.com/InfoRead.asp...
old news

Greensburg, IN

#7 Apr 1, 2013
Two words on the reservoir. EMINENT DOMAIN.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#8 Apr 1, 2013
old news wrote:
Two words on the reservoir. EMINENT DOMAIN.
Water is the source of all life.

Water is basic for Economic Development.

Our current water supplies are limited AND one of the aquifers that the wells for the city of Greensburg and many county wells draw from is under an arm of our landfill.

Water is a necessity....an EXPANDED airport is not. We already have an airport and can meet the safety requirements without nearly as invasive and unwarranted endeaver as is being proposed.

Eminent domain is being abused when you no longer have to prove a NEED for a proposal but can merely "take" it because you want it.

We will always need water and we are not planning for this nearly as far out as we should be. I keep hearing they have planned 10 to 15 years into the future. If you are up to date on what is going on globally with water you know that a 50 year plan is normal and some are planning 100 years out as it is being projected that water will become a commodity much like gasoline currently is.
old news

Greensburg, IN

#11 Apr 1, 2013
so it meets the Johannigman standard for use of eminent domain.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#12 Apr 1, 2013
What is the price of a Healthy and Plentiful water source?
old news

Sunman, IN

#13 Apr 1, 2013
who says the land that may be used for a potential reservoir doesn't mean as much to the individuals and families who own it as the land around the airport does to its owners?
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#14 Apr 1, 2013
old news wrote:
who says the land that may be used for a potential reservoir doesn't mean as much to the individuals and families who own it as the land around the airport does to its owners?
No one said that it didn't. the land that was taken by eminent domain on the by-pass also meant a lot to those people.

The big difference is each and every project be evaluated and the NEED be PROVEN, the benefit to the WHOLE be PROVEN and not to just a few. This need to be done and verified through a return on investment analysis. EVERY PROPOSED PROJECT should go through this process.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#17 Apr 1, 2013
March 25, 2013
Chamber backs proposed reservoir

By Baylee Pulliam The Herald Bulletin

Chamber statement on reservoir

Here’s the full text of the chamber’s statement:

“The Madison County Chamber of Commerce and its Board of Directors are in support of the “Mounds Reservoir” concept put forth by the Madison County Corporation for Economic Development Director, Rob Sparks. This exciting and potentially “game changing” project has the potential to transform Anderson, Madison County, and all of the surrounding entities.

We are in agreement with Rob on the numerous possibilities that this type of project will bring, including, creating prime real estate around the reservoir, higher property values, flood control, and a central Indiana water resource.

The construction of the reservoir would certainly bring the addition of quality of life amenities such as boating, trails, and fishing, to name a few.

Although we understand that the size and scope of this project will affect many people and businesses, we feel that the payback in the long haul would certainly benefit this community and this county for decades.

We admire Rob and his team of local business people for having the vision and determination to bring this project to where it is today. We are hopeful that the community will take the time to listen to the economic team as they explain why they feel this is a good project for everyone within our community and region.

We wish Rob and his team the best as they begin the next phase of this project.”

http://heraldbulletin.com/local/x1221098771/C...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#18 Apr 2, 2013
Water is a lifegiving source for living, for health, for economic development.

Why invest 32 million in an airport expansion when we are not planning for the water to support economic expansion as I have illustrated in the quotes from Engineers in the Greensburg Daily News articles above?

we have a 10 to 15 year plan in place while other communities are planning for 50 to 100 years out for their water supplies.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#19 Apr 2, 2013
We currently have an airport and that airport can be brought up to FAA safety standards, and by applying for grants from the FAA with a lot less invasive plan than is being proposed.

In light of that consider the following.

In this economy where our country is trillions in debt....

we currently have an airport.

We can live without a 32 million dollar airport expansion....can we live without a water supply?

Will economic development come without additional water?

During the drought this last summer the Mayor announced we were down to a 2 month supply of water.

Honda was only operating at 25% of it's potential water needs.

We don't need this airport. We DO need an additional healthy and plentiful source of water.

Why are our county cancer rates higher than the national average?

Could it be because our aquifer that supplies many wells in the county and ALL the wells of the City of Greensburg runs under an arm of the landfill?!?

We need to get our basic priorities straight.
wondering

United States

#20 Apr 2, 2013
so where would the reservoir be located?
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#21 Apr 2, 2013
wondering wrote:
so where would the reservoir be located?
On the Decatur / Rush county line area. Downeyville the town gives a perspective.

This was engineered and legislation was even passed for it to happen and then the Viet Nam War happened and the funding for the project dried up and the idea was dropped.

Acreage wise it was to be slightly larger than lake Monroe.

The City of Indianapolis was looking at one point at bringing water to Indy from the Monroe resevoir.

It might be pursued by talking to the Indy Mayor / Indiana Governor about the benefits not only for our community , but them , and for Honda. Approached in this manner would give it a better chance for funding.

Here is a copy of the legislation mentioned:

IC 14-26-1-12
Cooperation with federal government authorized
Sec. 12.(a) The department shall cooperate with the United States and the appropriate agencies of the United States in the planning, construction, operation, and maintenance of:
(1) the Downeyville multiple purpose reservoir, which has been authorized for construction by the Congress of the United States; and
(2) the Richland Creek reservoir in Greene County if the construction of the Richland Creek reservoir is authorized by Congress.
(b) The department may, on behalf of the state and subject to the approval of the governor, enter into agreements with the United States or agencies of the United States necessary to do the following:
(1) Fully effectuate the authorized purposes and functions of the reservoirs.
(2) Pay a share of the costs of the reservoirs for the purposes of water supply and recreation.
(c) The state's share of the costs:
(1) must be computed on the basis of the laws of the United States pertaining to multiple purpose reservoir projects; and
(2) must be requested by the department in the regular biennial budget requests.
As added by P.L.1-1995, SEC.19.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title14...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#22 Apr 2, 2013
I also have a map showing the exact location of the lake . In verbal descript it says the following:

The stie of the Downeyville Resevoir is in Rush and Decatur Counties, Indiana on the Flatrock River. The Dam site under consideration is located approximately 1 1/2 miles downstream from the Rush-Decatur County line.

If anyone wishes to pursue this I am more than willing to share information and work towards that goal.

The flyer also says the following:

The project plan considered would serve the purpose of flood control, water conservation, general recreation and fish and wildlife recreation.

The project plan also provides for a substantial amount of conservation storage for water supply and stream and flow augmentation, in the interest of water quality control.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#23 Apr 2, 2013
In the following links are two Humble Rumble articles that I wrote back in 2009 before last summer's drought.

During last summers drought...the Mayor stated on the radio that we were down to a 2 month water supply.

During the drought HONDA was using 25% of their projected water needs.

At the same time (during the drought) an engineer working for Rural Water stated on the front page of the Greensburg Daily News that we did not have enough water for further development and that 30 some wells out in the county had dried up.

Our Cancer rates for Decatur County are higher than the national average and remaining stable at a higher than the national average rate.

The aquifer that the majority of county wells draw from AND ALL of the City of Greensburg wells draw from runs under an arm of our landfill.

The American Medical association advocates that no landfill should be anywhere close to an aquifer.

March 24, 2009
And Yet More On Water

http://greensburgdailynews.com/opinion/x21245...

March 18, 2009
More On Greensburg Water

http://greensburgdailynews.com/opinion/x21245...
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#24 Apr 2, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
The aquifer that the majority of county wells draw from AND ALL of the City of Greensburg wells draw from runs under an arm of our landfill. The American Medical association advocates that no landfill should be anywhere close to an aquifer.
Gee, Mr. Mayor. What are you going to do about it?

Perhaps the real question is, "What would Rick do (WWRD)?"
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#25 Apr 2, 2013
wondering wrote:
QUOTE:
"so where would the reservoir be located? END OF QUOTE BY WONDERING

On the Decatur / Rush county line area. Downeyville the town gives a perspective.

This was engineered and legislation was even passed for it to happen and then the Viet Nam War happened and the funding for the project dried up and the idea was dropped.

Acreage wise it was to be slightly larger than lake Monroe.

The City of Indianapolis was looking at one point at bringing water to Indy from the Monroe resevoir.

It might be pursued by talking to the Indy Mayor / Indiana Governor about the benefits not only for our community , but them , and for Honda. Approached in this manner would give it a better chance for funding.

Here is a copy of the legislation mentioned:

IC 14-26-1-12

Cooperation with federal government authorized
Sec. 12.(a) The department shall cooperate with the United States and the appropriate agencies of the United States in the planning, construction, operation, and maintenance of:

(1) the Downeyville multiple purpose reservoir, which has been authorized for construction by the Congress of the United States; and

(2) the Richland Creek reservoir in Greene County if the construction of the Richland Creek reservoir is authorized by Congress.

(b) The department may, on behalf of the state and subject to the approval of the governor, enter into agreements with the United States or agencies of the United States necessary to do the following:

(1) Fully effectuate the authorized purposes and functions of the reservoirs.

(2) Pay a share of the costs of the reservoirs for the purposes of water supply and recreation.

(c) The state's share of the costs:

(1) must be computed on the basis of the laws of the United States pertaining to multiple purpose reservoir projects; and

(2) must be requested by the department in the regular biennial budget requests.
As added by P.L.1-1995, SEC.19.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title14 ...

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