Airport

Created by Sky King on Dec 24, 2012

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M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#1 Dec 24, 2012
will this vote be like the NOPO vote?

One person can go in and vote as many times as they like to get the results they want?
Sky King

Delphi, IN

#2 Dec 24, 2012
You got a way to stop that from happening? It may still indicate who's the most serious about what the subject is.
Hershel Houk

Liberty, IN

#3 Dec 24, 2012
Common sence tells us all the cost to run the new airport(3 times bigger)wll be larger. The board says it wil be the same?
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#4 Dec 24, 2012
Sky King wrote:
You got a way to stop that from happening? It may still indicate who's the most serious about what the subject is.
Sky King... on the old forum it could still happen but not easily..on this one it is oh too easy to do that...and sorry to say I don't know how you can prevent that from happening. perhaps someone more learned with how this forum operates will have a suggestion.

it is a shame a REAL VOTE of the people was not taken on this project.

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Since: Nov 12

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#5 Dec 24, 2012
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
<quoted text>

it is a shame a REAL VOTE of the people was not taken on this project.
*=* NOW THAT'S A FACT - TO BE EXACT - CONSIDERING THE ACT - COULD CAUSE ALL - TO PAY OUT THE BACK (ass)!*=*
Nopo

Greenwood, IN

#6 Dec 24, 2012
The choices aren't good.

Expansion ... Present Location (?)

Not ... New Location (?)

Doesn't the above labels divide votes that are essentially the same?
bill

Netherlands

#7 Dec 24, 2012
WQhatever
Bob

Bryan, OH

#8 Dec 24, 2012
No expansion,the horrible plane crash could have just as easy hit the park,or one of the housing division!!!!!!!!!! How many times are we going to be that lucky.May God help the families!!

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#9 Dec 25, 2012
Nopo it wasn't meant to be a scientific poll, but if you notice one choice seems to ( or is meant) to override the other. The whole point is there were several opportunities for the issue to be voted on but it never was.

I know congress is allowed : and does : spend tax payer money however they want but who has the right to do it to Greensburg?
= Is it called the trickle-down-effect?=
Nopo

Greenwood, IN

#10 Dec 25, 2012
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
I know congress is allowed : and does : spend tax payer money however they want but who has the right to do it to Greensburg?= Is it called the trickle-down-effect?=
The argument hasn't been about spending money. It will cost to expand at the current location, as it will also cost to build a regional airport.

Argument #1 has been about the lack of a due diligence process to assess need for either proposal.

Argument #2 has been about the lack of an economic cost-benefit analysis. It became obvious at the public forum a few months ago, that officials are substituting the environmental analysis for an economic analysis. Both types of analysis are needed.

Argument #3 has been about unwarranted use of eminent domain to procure additional land.

Argument #4 has been about the inequity of taxation upon Greensburg's citizenry, which also benefits the county.

Argument #5 has been about BOAC representation by members who reside outside Greensburg's supportive tax district.

Efforts by City Hall and the BOAC haven't been as much about the "trickle-down effect" as much as its been about pissing on the public's back when it isn't looking, and explaining that its raining outside.
Nopo

Greenwood, IN

#11 Dec 25, 2012
The above agument is being transferred to the other "Airport" thread, where it belongs.

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Since: Nov 12

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#12 Dec 25, 2012
Your the one that put it here.
This thread is strictly a poll!
does not include a bunch of bull that's on the other one. YET!
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#13 Dec 25, 2012
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Nopo it wasn't meant to be a scientific poll, but if you notice one choice seems to ( or is meant) to override the other. The whole point is there were several opportunities for the issue to be voted on but it never was.
I know congress is allowed : and does : spend tax payer money however they want but who has the right to do it to Greensburg?
= Is it called the trickle-down-effect?=
no it is not scientific Hillbilly.....but the curiosity is why they are doing this at all .... there was another "unscientific" poll that i still have that plainly told them that the people did not want the proposed project. why all of a sudden does that matter when it never has before?

if in the beginning all possibilities were explored...including a return on investment analysis to prove the NEED and that this proposed project would support itself....they might have garnered support for "a" project.

no one cared to do that.

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

Since: Nov 12

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#14 Dec 25, 2012
She's talking to me but it's \\\ YOU ///
she wants listening to what she's saying.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#15 Dec 25, 2012
How many of these "votes" live in the City Limits and will be responsible to pay for this project as 75% of these expanded airports cannot pay for themselves and fall back on the taxpayers to do so.

Take a REAL VOTE of the CITY TAXPAYERS.
SkyKing

Greensburg, IN

#16 Dec 25, 2012
There is no merit to the 75% that Mean Jean wants you to believe. The improvement in a cityís infrastructure cannot be broken down as such. What is the return on investment of the bypass around Greensburg, what is the return on investment for the library, what is the return on investment for the city parks?
As usual it is Mean Jean manufacturing another argument without merit to support her agenda. We can throw the 75%, into the same nonsense pile, as the other arguments:
Existing location is LANDLOCKED. In reality, it is the best location in Southeastern Indiana, access to 3 state highways (46, 3 and 421), access to an interstate highway and access to a railroad. No other city in Decatur, Ripley and Franklin County come close to this.
WATER to support the airport expansion, how much water is needed for 2 rest rooms? If there is a need for more water because of the expanded airport, it must mean that the expanded airport has brought in more businesses and Greensburg will grow. Greensburg has decided that more water is needed to support the existing businesses. They are exploring ideas, such as a new reservoir or wells; this has nothing to do with the expanded airport.
Manufacturing JUST-IN-TIME inventory was another Mean Jean fallacy. Since just-in-time manufacturing is the standard of most if not all manufacturing, today. The need for emergency shipping is part of the process.
RELOCATE at New Point, is another ridiculous argument that Mean Jean has brought up. There is no highway 3 or highway 421 and no manufacturing. Letís look at remotely located airports. The North Vernon airport is actually located at St Annís. The only business that is located at the airport is a small flight training school. The airport at Shelbyville is located north of town. It is not easily accessible from Shelbyville. There is a flight training school located at the airport and no other business. The Columbus airport is close to the city and has numerous businesses, a Social Security office, 3 colleges, 2 manufacturing facilities, 2 construction companies, a restaurant and a museum.
A NEW LOCATION would require imminent domain, or the threat of imminent domain to acquire the ground. The only property that would take advantage of the 3 state highways and railroad is located in the immediate Greensburg area.
UNSAFE, because the ball park and bowling alley. Wrong again, the expanded airport would actually be farther away from the ball park. A new and modern airport would be a safe airport. The modern airport should have the instrument landing system (ILS), which allows aircraft to safely land in bad weather. The 4 people that died in the recent plane crash would still be with us.
Let us not forget the infamous HIGH-SPEED NON-STOP TRAIN that will be roaring through Greensburg NON-STOP. This non-stop train would be an alternative to an expanded airport. Still havenít figure that one out.

I aam positive that Mean Jean and the clueless, nuts, and spam one will not let logic stop their crusade to discourage any progress in Greensburg.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#18 Dec 25, 2012
SkyKing wrote:
There is no merit to the 75% that Mean Jean wants you to believe. The improvement in a cityís infrastructure cannot be broken down as such. What is the return on investment of the bypass around Greensburg, what is the return on investment for the library, what is the return on investment for the city parks?
As usual it is Mean Jean manufacturing another argument without merit to support her agenda. We can throw the 75%, into the same nonsense pile, as the other arguments:
Existing location is LANDLOCKED. In reality, it is the best location in Southeastern Indiana, access to 3 state highways (46, 3 and 421), access to an interstate highway and access to a railroad. No other city in Decatur, Ripley and Franklin County come close to this.
WATER to support the airport expansion, how much water is needed for 2 rest rooms? If there is a need for more water because of the expanded airport, it must mean that the expanded airport has brought in more businesses and Greensburg will grow. Greensburg has decided that more water is needed to support the existing businesses. They are exploring ideas, such as a new reservoir or wells; this has nothing to do with the expanded airport.
Manufacturing JUST-IN-TIME inventory was another Mean Jean fallacy. Since just-in-time manufacturing is the standard of most if not all manufacturing, today. The need for emergency shipping is part of the process.
RELOCATE at New Point, is another ridiculous argument that Mean Jean has brought up. There is no highway 3 or highway 421 and no manufacturing. Letís look at remotely located airports. The North Vernon airport is actually located at St Annís. The only business that is located at the airport is a small flight training school. The airport at Shelbyville is located north of town. It is not easily accessible from Shelbyville. There is a flight training school located at the airport and no other business. The Columbus airport is close to the city and has numerous businesses, a Social Security office, 3 colleges, 2 manufacturing facilities, 2 construction companies, a restaurant and a museum.
A NEW LOCATION would require imminent domain, or the threat of imminent domain to acquire the ground. The only property that would take advantage of the 3 state highways and railroad is located in the immediate Greensburg area.
UNSAFE, because the ball park and bowling alley. Wrong again, the expanded airport would actually be farther away from the ball park. A new and modern airport would be a safe airport. The modern airport should have the instrument landing system (ILS), which allows aircraft to safely land in bad weather. The 4 people that died in the recent plane crash would still be with us.
Let us not forget the infamous HIGH-SPEED NON-STOP TRAIN that will be roaring through Greensburg NON-STOP. This non-stop train would be an alternative to an expanded airport. Still havenít figure that one out.
I aam positive that Mean Jean and the clueless, nuts, and spam one will not let logic stop their crusade to discourage any progress in Greensburg.
SkyKIng and his group has been advocating that expansion of this airport will bring economic development. If that were true there would be much more water needed than for two restrooms. I quoted an engineer who said on the front page of the GDN that we do not have enough water for further development. and yes they are exploring another resevoir (very costly) and will likely hold a one month supply. we were down to a 2 month supply this last summer and Honda was only operating at 25% of their proposed capacity.

You need only look at the unemployment numbers for the counties around us who already have a runway the size they are proposing (Shelbyville, North Vernon, etc.) to see that the runway expanded tot he size they are proposing did not bring that return on investment. Perhaps that is why they do not want to look at that?
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#19 Dec 25, 2012
SkyKing wrote:
There is no merit to the 75% that Mean Jean wants you to believe. The improvement in a cityís infrastructure cannot be broken down as such. What is the return on investment of the bypass around Greensburg, what is the return on investment for the library, what is the return on investment for the city parks?
As usual it is Mean Jean manufacturing another argument without merit to support her agenda. We can throw the 75%, into the same nonsense pile, as the other arguments:
Existing location is LANDLOCKED. In reality, it is the best location in Southeastern Indiana, access to 3 state highways (46, 3 and 421), access to an interstate highway and access to a railroad. No other city in Decatur, Ripley and Franklin County come close to this.
WATER to support the airport expansion, how much water is needed for 2 rest rooms? If there is a need for more water because of the expanded airport, it must mean that the expanded airport has brought in more businesses and Greensburg will grow. Greensburg has decided that more water is needed to support the existing businesses. They are exploring ideas, such as a new reservoir or wells; this has nothing to do with the expanded airport.
Manufacturing JUST-IN-TIME inventory was another Mean Jean fallacy. Since just-in-time manufacturing is the standard of most if not all manufacturing, today. The need for emergency shipping is part of the process.
RELOCATE at New Point, is another ridiculous argument that Mean Jean has brought up. There is no highway 3 or highway 421 and no manufacturing. Letís look at remotely located airports. The North Vernon airport is actually located at St Annís. The only business that is located at the airport is a small flight training school. The airport at Shelbyville is located north of town. It is not easily accessible from Shelbyville. There is a flight training school located at the airport and no other business. The Columbus airport is close to the city and has numerous businesses, a Social Security office, 3 colleges, 2 manufacturing facilities, 2 construction companies, a restaurant and a museum.
A NEW LOCATION would require imminent domain, or the threat of imminent domain to acquire the ground. The only property that would take advantage of the 3 state highways and railroad is located in the immediate Greensburg area.
UNSAFE, because the ball park and bowling alley. Wrong again, the expanded airport would actually be farther away from the ball park. A new and modern airport would be a safe airport. The modern airport should have the instrument landing system (ILS), which allows aircraft to safely land in bad weather. The 4 people that died in the recent plane crash would still be with us.
Let us not forget the infamous HIGH-SPEED NON-STOP TRAIN that will be roaring through Greensburg NON-STOP. This non-stop train would be an alternative to an expanded airport. Still havenít figure that one out.
I aam positive that Mean Jean and the clueless, nuts, and spam one will not let logic stop their crusade to discourage any progress in Greensburg.
as for JUST IN TIME PARTS...I did not need to mention anything about that as the local Tea Party leader took care of that.

He recently retired from FORD MOTOR COMPANY in Detroit and is currently working at HOnda....and he was the one who said that in this economy it is known that anyone who is utilizing JUST IN TIME PARTS will not be in business very long.

Honda wants their satellite parts plants within 30 miles of their main plant. THere are provider plants that are to go into the Adams commerce park , at Osgood IN and at Versailles IN.

By the way....the BEST location would be north of the interstate and is currently owned by two advocates of the airport expansion...I am just sure because they support this project that they would be glad to sell their land for this....why don't you ask them. that would eliminate the need for eminent domain on people who do not want to sell and is costly.
Nopo

Greenwood, IN

#20 Dec 25, 2012
Don't feed the troll in this thread, Jean. All they're trying to do is break the history of discussion on the airport thread that already exists.
SkyKing

Greensburg, IN

#23 Dec 29, 2012
Just a repost, because you couldn't kill the truth the first time.
There is no merit to the 75% that Mean Jean wants you to believe. The improvement in a cityís infrastructure cannot be broken down as such. What is the return on investment of the bypass around Greensburg, what is the return on investment for the library, what is the return on investment for the city parks?
As usual it is Mean Jean manufacturing another argument without merit to support her agenda. We can throw the 75%, into the same nonsense pile, as the other arguments:
Existing location is LANDLOCKED. In reality, it is the best location in Southeastern Indiana, access to 3 state highways (46, 3 and 421), access to an interstate highway and access to a railroad. No other city in Decatur, Ripley and Franklin County come close to this.
WATER to support the airport expansion, how much water is needed for 2 rest rooms? If there is a need for more water because of the expanded airport, it must mean that the expanded airport has brought in more businesses and Greensburg will grow. Greensburg has decided that more water is needed to support the existing businesses. They are exploring ideas, such as a new reservoir or wells; this has nothing to do with the expanded airport.
Manufacturing JUST-IN-TIME inventory was another Mean Jean fallacy. Since just-in-time manufacturing is the standard of most if not all manufacturing, today. The need for emergency shipping is part of the process.
RELOCATE at New Point, is another ridiculous argument that Mean Jean has brought up. There is no highway 3 or highway 421 and no manufacturing. Letís look at remotely located airports. The North Vernon airport is actually located at St Annís. The only business that is located at the airport is a small flight training school. The airport at Shelbyville is located north of town. It is not easily accessible from Shelbyville. There is a flight training school located at the airport and no other business. The Columbus airport is close to the city and has numerous businesses, a Social Security office, 3 colleges, 2 manufacturing facilities, 2 construction companies, a restaurant and a museum.
A NEW LOCATION would require imminent domain, or the threat of imminent domain to acquire the ground. The only property that would take advantage of the 3 state highways and railroad is located in the immediate Greensburg area.
UNSAFE, because the ball park and bowling alley. Wrong again, the expanded airport would actually be farther away from the ball park. A new and modern airport would be a safe airport. The modern airport should have the instrument landing system (ILS), which allows aircraft to safely land in bad weather. The 4 people that died in the recent plane crash would still be with us.
Let us not forget the infamous HIGH-SPEED NON-STOP TRAIN that will be roaring through Greensburg NON-STOP. This non-stop train would be an alternative to an expanded airport. Still havenít figure that one out.

I aam positive that Mean Jean and the clueless, nuts, and spam one will not let logic stop their crusade to discourage any progress in Greensburg.

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