Homeless in Decatur County
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#1 Jan 25, 2013
Thank you Rob Cox and GDN for the article on Homeless in Decatur County. This is an issue that we can no longer look the other way on. Some people are homeless because of mental illness or addiction but many more families are losing homes and have no where to turn.
The Agape center may be able to assist some of these people...
I also have a friend that is in the process of trying to get a home loan to be able to assist some of these people. If you can help him please drop a note to Rob Cox at Greensburg Daily News.
#2 Jan 25, 2013
The township trustees of Decatur county get monies for assisting the indegent . Most people don't know that . You need to check with the Washington twp trustee for greensburg and the other areas of the county were you live.
#3 Jan 25, 2013
Where does one find a trustee on a night like tonight, when its dark and cold outside, and you're freezing your butt off?
Would it have helped Buck on a night like that to have the trustee make him a check? Did Buck need the money as much as he needed a warm place to sleep?
Why did we need another thread when we already had the "Dead Body at Aldi" thread to address the same thing? Or is it that the "one percent" want to put some distance between their greedy, tax-exclusive aspirations and Buck's death?
#4 Jan 26, 2013
i believe the thread was started to comment on an article in the GDN. no conspiracy. someone wanting to comment a word of thanks.
#5 Jan 26, 2013
OK. Let me understand this Nopo. Let's just say I am an average citizen, I go to college, I graduate and I get a good job. I save money, I make investments and before I know it, I have a sizable income and savings and am considered one of the "one percent". I am a member of a church community of my choice and I am generous with my tithing and donations. I support the schools and donate to my college. I sponsor youth league teams, volunteer my time at food pantries and animal shelters and generously give to MANY organizations of my choice. I am an active member of my community and I give back with time and money.
Now, some person who hasn't made those same life choices, has gone down another path. They have unfortunately made poor decisions, maybe dropped out of school, had some children out of wedlock, maybe different women, had some trouble with the law, had some substance abuse issues. This person dies because of choices they made. There were options for this person, family members, shelter, etc. but for some reason, this person, unfortunately and sadly, passed away.
Why is it MY fault, person number one, that person number two died? Why blame the "one percent" for choices beyond their control? Why is it their duty and obligation to foresee that some day a person might, for some unknown reason, die after maybe becoming homeless all the sudden, and that "one percent" person had not donated a homeless shelter so it is that person's fault?
I am all for helping my fellow man. I do it and will continue to do it. But how can you blame one segment of society for choices others have made for themselves? Why does that make them "greedy"? And almost every donation one makes to ANY organization can be a deduction on taxes - if that is a problem for you, take it up with your congressmen or someone who can change the law. The "one percent" wants to "put some distance between their greedy, tax exclusion aspirations and Buck's death"? Excuse me but one HAS NOTHING to do with the other so why would they need to "put some distance" between them? They did not cause this unfortunate death. And I can guarantee you if these proverbial "one percents" had been told someone might, for some reason, choose to be out in the cold all night and pass away, they would have made sure he was inside with a warm meal. Guaranteed. So stop blaming people who make intelligent decisions for choices others make that are beyond their control, or knowledge for that matter. It is ridiculous.
#6 Jan 26, 2013
Here's what it all comes down to....
Notice that big word, "IF," that is embedded in the sentence? The word gives the sentence a normative value. That is to say life is conditionally valued, and in this instance, "if" someone had known another is destitude.
Consider that we live in Indiana. It gets hot in summer and cold in winter. There are those on the fringe of society who can't always depend on having adequate food, shelter, and clothing to sustain themselves. They don't have the luxury of living on buzz words of how things "could, should, or ought" to be. They wouldn't be so hungry "if" they had something to eat. They wouldn't be so cold or wet "if" they had a warm, dry place to stay and better clothing. In the interest of a secure society, then why isn't there a place these people can turn when life's events aren't favorable?
Advantaged people have a social responsibility to help the disadvantaged. How about a few words from the president's inaugural address to bring the point home?...
We believe that America's prosperity must rest upon the broad shoulders of a rising middle class. We know that America thrives when every person can find independence and pride in their work, when the wages of honest labor will liberate families from the brink of hardship.... We understand that outworn programs are inadequate to the needs of our time. So we must harness new ideas and technology to remake our government, revamp our tax code, reform our schools, and empower our citizens with the skills they need to work hard or learn more, reach higher. But while the means will change, our purpose endures. A nation that rewards the effort and determination of every single American, that is what this moment requires. That is what will give real meaning to our creed. We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity.... We do not believe that in this country freedom is reserved for the lucky or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us at any time may face a job loss or a sudden illness or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other through Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security, these things do not sap our initiative. They strengthen us.
[End of excerpt]
Might I add that as an aside from progammatic relief, that a homeless shelter where people as "Buck" can pass through the front doors will be a valued asset leasding to social well-being. It will mean that when people are destitude, they won't have to face life-threatening conditions. It will mean their survival isn't a condition of "if" one (or more) of the "one-percents" has/have direct knowledge.
#7 Jan 27, 2013
Believe me ... I know exactly where the above is coming from.
I'm not even in the "one percent" category and my own family did that to me. My father and mother have enabled my drunken bum of a sister by giving her thousands of dollars over a lifetime. Because I had the audacity to be independent, get an education and to gain a life of my own, these things are held against me. I've been disinherited so the drunk can drink and piss everything away. The story is all contained in the following thread....
The difference is that a homeless shelter isn't the same as handing money to those with a history of making poor decisions, only to enable their lifestyles. It enables them to walk through the front door of the establishment when there are life-threatening conditions. It helps to satisfy one of the most basic of human needs.
The other night I went to the truck stop located at the Whiteland exit on I-65. I no sooner had parked and got out of my truck, and a young man approached to hit me up for a few dollars so he can "take a shower." I looked at him and said, "Come with me." We went inside and approached the cashier. I paid $10.00 directly to the cashier so the man could have a shower wherever it is the truckers go. I wasn't about to hand the guy money so he could support an illicit habit. If he had asked for food, I would have bought him a meal, too.
My stories are real. They aren't contrived baloney just to win an argument.
#8 Jan 27, 2013
EXACTLY my point! There are DOZENS and DOZENS of people who would do what you did in a SECOND and then some.
But why are you blaming the "one percent" you keep talking about for this gentleman's death? They had ZERO responsibility for it - ZERO. Yet you call them "greedy" and say they are trying to "distance themselves" from it. They didn't cause it and would have prevented it had they even known about it. You cannot blame anyone for a person's death that they were unaware of and were not given the chance to get involved and help. Had they known ("they" being these "one percents" that you love to talk about), there most definitely would have been a different outcome.(and not just the "one percents", the vast majority of all income brackets would have opened their doors and done something to help)
Does Greensburg need a homeless shelter? Doubtful. Do they need a plan in place, awareness, numbers to call, volunteers? Yes. And there are MANY willing to help. But don't BLAME them for something they had ABSOLUTELY no responsibility for. That is all I am saying. Stop with the class warfare.
#9 Jan 27, 2013
Then stop with airport expansion because THAT is all about the "one percent," and their willingness to envoke eminent domain just so they have the luxury of an airport that sits nearby and a place to park their expensive toys.
The "one percent" need a reality check. It isn't unusual to have an airport away from city congestion, where people may have to travel for 10 or 15 minutes to get to.
As with needing a homeless shelter, perhaps its time the mayor appointed a non-partisan committee of citizens, as he's empowered to do, to gather the facts on his behalf. How many people frequent the local soup kitchen? How many seek help from the local food bank? How many seek help from the various churches? How many do the police encounter as they do their nightly patrol?
Its time for the "one percent" to quit using government as a tool for enhancement of their welfare while sweeping real social problems under the proverbial rug.
#10 Jan 27, 2013
I could care less about airport expansion. Doesn't affect me in the least.(I realize the tax, etc. will affect everyone - just saying I don't have an opinion on that since I don't care one way or the other. If asked for my opinion, I would say absolutely no need for a new regional airport.)
Totally agree on the non-partisan committee and the research. Makes great sense, is a great idea, and I believe there are many who would volunteer to assist.
By the way, what is your definition of "one percent"? I really have no idea what is considered the "one percent".
#11 Jan 27, 2013
please see a post that i made on the airport thread as to why you and everyone in our community SHOULD care about the airport expansion.
#12 Jan 27, 2013
The One Percent
The One Percent is a 2006 documentary about the growing wealth gap between America's wealthy elite compared to the overall citizenry. It was created by Jamie Johnson, an heir to the Johnson & Johnson fortune, and produced by Jamie Johnson and Nick Kurzon. The film's title refers to the top one percent of Americans in terms of wealth, who controlled 42.2 percent of total financial wealth in 2004.
The film premiered on April 29, 2006, at the Tribeca Film Festival. It was reported to have been purchased by HBO and a revised version of the film, substantially re-edited and incorporating footage shot since the 2006 festival screening, premiered on Thursday, February 21, 2008 at 6:30pm ET/PT on HBO's Cinemax.
The film is 79 minutes long and features interviews with a diverse range of individuals.
The Johnson Interviewer - When asked if he would donate his entire inheritance to charity, he said "That's not what we're here to talk about."
Nicole Buffett - Adopted daughter of Warren Buffett's son Peter from a previous marriage, to whom Warren denied "legal and emotional" links.
Chuck Collins - Estate tax proponent, author, and great-grandson of Oscar Mayer
Steve Forbes - CEO of Forbes, Inc., former presidential candidate, proponent of a flat tax, and son of Malcolm Forbes
Cody Franchetti - Italian baron, and heir to Milliken & Company
Milton Friedman - Economist, and Nobel Laureate: 1976 winner of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences
Bill Gates Sr.- Father of Bill Gates, and opponent of an estate tax repeal
James Hughes Jr.- Family wealth advisor, and author of the book Family Wealth - Keeping It in the Family
Eddie Bernice Johnson - Former Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus
Gretchen Johnson - Jamie Johnson's mother
James Johnson - Jamie Johnson's father
Adnan Khashoggi - International arms merchant, "There is no equality in life. Forget about it. We are what we are. We are created layers over each other. This is it."
Claude R. Kirk, Jr.- Former governor of Florida
Greg Kushner - Lido Wealth Conference Director
John Lewis - U.S. Representative from Georgia
Roy O. Martin - President of the Louisiana-based Martin Lumber Company
Brian McNally - The Johnson family's financial advisor (asset manager)
Dan Miller - Former U.S. Representative from Florida
Karl Muth - Investment banking heir
Ralph Nader - Consumer advocate and former presidential candidate
Larry Noble - Center for Responsive Politics
Paul Orfalea - Founder of Kinko's
Kevin Phillips - Former Republican Party strategist
Jimmie Price - Taxi driver
Nathaniel P. Reed - Undersecretary of The Interior, from 1967-1973
Robert Reich - Former U.S. Secretary of Labor
Greg Schell - Attorney, Migrant Farmer Justice Program
Edward Wolff - Professor of Economics, NYU
It was stated in the Page Six column of the New York Post that Warren Buffett had written a letter to Nicole Buffett, daughter of his son Peter's ex-wife from another marriage. In response to her participation in the film, distancing himself from her, he wrote "I have not emotionally or legally adopted you as a grandchild, nor have the rest of my family adopted you as a niece or a cousin."
[End of excerpt]
As for Warren Buffet, be it known that I have not emotionally or legally adopted that old fucker, either!
#13 Jan 27, 2013
So, basically, there are ZERO one percents in Greensburg, zero reading topix, so who exactly do you keep complaining about that can actually DO something?
#14 Jan 27, 2013
the voices in his head of course!
#15 Jan 27, 2013
Basically, my post means that Warren Buffett hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of acceptance by common folk, and neither will Greensburg's "one percent" shove their airport expansion crap on others without a fight. They have opportunity to gain common respect by looking out for the less advantaged, but this group will blow it. They aren't made of the same stuff as was Nelson Mowrey.
#16 Jan 27, 2013
[An excerpt from the above cited web address]
The crowning act of Mr. Mowrey, however, which shows his worth as a public-spirited citizen was his gift to the city of Greensburg which made the magnificent new Young Men's Christian Association building a possibility. This was erected in 1915, solely through the munificence of Mr. Mowrey and will stand as a monument through many generations yet to come. Thus it may be seen why Mr. Mowrey merits the title of the "Grand old man of Greensburg."
[End of excerpt]
Mr. Mowrey's building will be 100 years old in a couple of years, and wouldn't it be fitting for a complete renovation so the old YMCA will stand as a monument for many more generations yet to come?
How about it, "one percent?" Who will be the "Grand old man's" successor?
#17 Jan 27, 2013
And again I ask - to whom are you speaking? There is no Warren Buffet here...
#18 Jan 27, 2013
Jean wants airport expansion to get her wallpaper and paint flown in via airplane.
#19 Jan 27, 2013
got to admit i enjoyed that one!
#20 Jan 27, 2013
You're going to say that these people who have expensive toys parked at the airport and who can afford to go on weekend excursions via private transport, are just plain country folk like the rest. They live from paycheck to paycheck and worry about how they're going to pay for the car, their mortgage, utilities, insurance, and groceries. They dream that their child(ren) will be the first in the family to attend college.
Who is expected to believe that fable?
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