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M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2457 Jan 20, 2013
Permanent Closure of Cincinnati Blue Ash Airport

A Notice by the Federal Aviation Administration on 09/11/2012

Publication Date:
Tuesday, September 11, 2012

Agencies:
Department of Transportation
Federal Aviation Administration

Dates:
The permanent closure of the airport is effective as of August 29, 2012.

Effective Date:
08/29/2012

Action:
Notice of permanent closure of Cincinnati Blue Ash Airport (ISZ).

Document Citation:
77 FR 55895
Page:
55895 (1 page)

Document Number:
2012-22255
Shorter URL:
https://federalregister.gov/a/2012-22255
ACTION

Notice Of Permanent Closure Of Cincinnati Blue Ash Airport (Isz).
SUMMARY

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) received written notice, dated July 30, 2012, from the city of Cincinnati advising that on August 29, 2012, it was permanently closing Cincinnati Blue Ash Airport (ISZ), Cincinnati, Ohio; the notice was in excess of 30 days before the closure in accordance with 49 U.S.C. 46319(a). The FAA hereby publishes the city of Cincinnati's notice of permanent closure of Cincinnati Blue Ash Airport in accordance with 49 U.S.C. 46319(b).

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012...
Franklin co res

Brownstown, IN

#2458 Jan 21, 2013
Have you forgotten that Hillenbran has an airport not 5 miles from Newpoint? I think it is for sale.I guess that the return on investment is not to good or they would keep it.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2459 Jan 21, 2013
Here is another GDN quote that supports moving the airport to a new location. Also to be noted is how these officials do not think that choice is theres but the FAA's choice....i have posted information previously that shows that the FAA told me directly in an email that that decision is up to the local sponsor which is the CIty of Greensburg's elected officials, not the FAA as they had the officials believing. The elected officials were SOLD this project on misinformation.

QUOTE:
“If I had my druthers, I would pick an alternate site, but as I understand it, it’s not our choice.”

Council member Gary Herbert agreed a different site would be best because of the high activity at the Decatur County Youth Sports Complex, Parkside Lanes and Allen Memorial Swimming Pool due to the off chance of an incident.

“Hopefully, nothing ever happens. If it did, it’s something we’d have to live with and die with, but that’s why we’re in the hot seat,” he said." END QUOTE
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2460 Jan 21, 2013
Franklin co res wrote:
Have you forgotten that Hillenbran has an airport not 5 miles from Newpoint? I think it is for sale.I guess that the return on investment is not to good or they would keep it.
No, I haven't forgotten that. However, I am hearing that Hillenbrands sold it , including ALL their planes for 2 million. Have no proof of that....but it does make one think if Hillenbrands thought flying were cost effective for their business they would not be getting out of that end of things.

I have always suspected that the BOAC has not done a ROI analysis as they already know how that will come out and it will not fit with their agenda.

My objective has always been ....that if "government" is going to force this agenda on the taxpayers that we need to involve as many other "entities" in the payment of such as to not overly burden the taxpayers of the City of Greensburg only.

stats show that 75% of these expanded GA airports cannot support themselves and fall back on the taxpayers to support.
Franklin co res

Brownstown, IN

#2461 Jan 21, 2013
'if "government" is going to force this agenda on the taxpayers'
It will not work if there is not overwhelming support from private enterprise, in the form of $ invested
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2462 Jan 21, 2013
Franklin co res wrote:
'if "government" is going to force this agenda on the taxpayers'
It will not work if there is not overwhelming support from private enterprise, in the form of $ invested
That is what we have been trying to convince them of to no avail.

Take a look at the response of our attorney to the draft environmental public meeting on this "agenda". The attorney we hired is a Federal law attorney, an aviation specialist and a former FAA environmental attorney who we "the Concerned Citizens of Decatur COunty" tried to get the City Administration to hire to no avail. So instead we hired him.

here is a link to the letter to the FAA from our attorney:

http://www.greensburgairport.com/120904-Taber...

The objective was if the government was going to force this agenda on the taxpayers to get it as on track as possible in trying to support itself.

The Transportation board endorses a ROI not only to prove need but to also provide scope of a project if needed.
whatever

Sunman, IN

#2463 Jan 21, 2013
rehash the lawyer that you wanted the council to hire. again, the council voted NOT to hire your consultant to help them. You used your puppet Bill Wenning to present the idea to a special meeting called for that topic. At no point in their council meetings prior to that did anyone ever suggest they needed a lawyer for the process? council members rightly vetoed your push (thru the efforts of YOUR puppet Bill Wenning) to hire a lawyer (who could be called YOUR puppet) to advise them. no rfp (request for proposal) was ever done to hire a lawyer. i know u'll say faa experienced lawyers aren't just available. but, a process should have happened. but u cant stand it because they didnt jump on ur lawyer.
Nopo

Greenwood, IN

#2464 Jan 21, 2013
And again, Rick, you do what you will to minimize attorney ethic. You make it appear as if the attorney, if hired by the city, would have represented the interests of an opposing group. Retainer is what obligates an attorney to represent a client's interests. The city had opportunity to hire a specialist in FAA law, and messed up.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2465 Jan 21, 2013
whatever wrote:
rehash the lawyer that you wanted the council to hire. again, the council voted NOT to hire your consultant to help them. You used your puppet Bill Wenning to present the idea to a special meeting called for that topic. At no point in their council meetings prior to that did anyone ever suggest they needed a lawyer for the process? council members rightly vetoed your push (thru the efforts of YOUR puppet Bill Wenning) to hire a lawyer (who could be called YOUR puppet) to advise them. no rfp (request for proposal) was ever done to hire a lawyer. i know u'll say faa experienced lawyers aren't just available. but, a process should have happened. but u cant stand it because they didnt jump on ur lawyer.
Here is Herb Hunter (city councilman at the time) indicating why he felt the need to hire other attorneys......listen until Herb talks about a letter of what he considered "intimidation" that was sent by the BOAC attorney to the council.



also...the attorney the BOAC hired was an eminent domain specialist and admitted publicly he was not an FAA specialist.

http://youtu.be/nX3tmCzlYqE

let's also post for Franklin county what some of the opposition had to say that no one is listening to. Notice the crowd in some of the video...

ALan Goddard : http://youtu.be/pQwRuzTPsS8

Jerry AmRhein:
on spending funds for the attorney:

http://youtu.be/Jm3B3EmVucg

Judy Koors:
on losing her land
through eminent domain: http://youtu.be/NGA6RY3PLDU

Don Wall:
on hiring an attorney
with FAA expertise: http://youtu.be/cnhP_WGquak

Bruce Vandebur: http://youtu.be/BNwXzXJrUpc

Councilman Wenning:
thinks there should be
a vote...this shows the
Mayor and the public's
reaction to his
suggestion: http://youtu.be/9yGlTQl1Ntg

Franklin County....another problem we (the COncerned Citizens) have is that State Law currently allows a CITY board of Aviation Commissioners to have the majority live in the county and not in the city and they would not be subject to same said taxes that can occur as a result of this project being forced forward on behalf of the CITY taxpayers when they have had no say or vote in this matter.

The State Referendum law can also be circumvented to keep from having a vote and thus far they have circumvented that as well. that is not saying that eventually they will not have to succomb to that but it all depends on the money and where it will come from for the eminent domain.

M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2466 Jan 21, 2013
Here is another GDN quote that supports moving the airport to a new location. Also to be noted is how these officials do not think that choice is theres but the FAA's choice....i have posted information previously that shows that the FAA told me directly in an email that that decision is up to the local sponsor which is the CIty of Greensburg's elected officials, not the FAA as they had the officials believing. The elected officials were SOLD this project on misinformation.

QUOTE:
“If I had my druthers, I would pick an alternate site, but as I understand it, it’s not our choice.”

Council member Gary Herbert agreed a different site would be best because of the high activity at the Decatur County Youth Sports Complex, Parkside Lanes and Allen Memorial Swimming Pool due to the off chance of an incident.

“Hopefully, nothing ever happens. If it did, it’s something we’d have to live with and die with, but that’s why we’re in the hot seat,” he said." END QUOTE
whatever

Sunman, IN

#2467 Jan 21, 2013
dopo, for the last time. i didnt question the ethics of the attorney in question. i questioned the ethics of trying to ram one attorney down the throat of the council by mj and her puppet and failed candidate for mayor, Bill Wenning. just because jean says he is the best doesn't mean he is. to me asking for an rfp is as basic as the roi is for batman and robin. and it would havent given anyone a bad taste. but, mj found this man and deemed him wonderful. and since the city council didn't hire him she pouts. please...
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2468 Jan 21, 2013
whatever wrote:
dopo, for the last time. i didnt question the ethics of the attorney in question. i questioned the ethics of trying to ram one attorney down the throat of the council by mj and her puppet and failed candidate for mayor, Bill Wenning. just because jean says he is the best doesn't mean he is. to me asking for an rfp is as basic as the roi is for batman and robin. and it would havent given anyone a bad taste. but, mj found this man and deemed him wonderful. and since the city council didn't hire him she pouts. please...
I think what you are describing is a lack of the Mayor and the City Council in doing their jobs. If an RFP is required they are to know that and act accordingly. Isn't that what they have a city attorney for?!? That doesn't mean they couldn't have tabled the issue until such action could be taken. I have seen them do this many times when they did not have RFP's on other issues...so it isn't like they didn't know how.

I do challenge you though to see how many Federal attornies that you can find that are aviation specialist AND that formerly worked for the FAA in their environmental law department.

The expertise of this man cleared up a lot of red herrings that were set up by the BOAC in "selling" this project to the elected officials. information that as i showed in previous posts were just not true.

and then you seem to gloss over why it is that members of the Council wanted to hire their own attorney ....just easier to say that i want to control things but perhaps not easy to convince others that is the reason....

Let me refresh your memory by letting Councilman Herb Hunter state why:

Here is Herb Hunter (city councilman at the time) indicating why he felt the need to hire other attornies......listen until Herb talks about a letter of what he considered "intimidation" that was sent by the BOAC attorney to the council.

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2469 Jan 21, 2013
whatever wrote:
QUOTE; "rehash the lawyer that you wanted the council to hire. again, the council voted NOT to hire your consultant to help them. You used your puppet Bill Wenning to present the idea to a special meeting called for that topic. At no point in their council meetings prior to that did anyone ever suggest they needed a lawyer for the process? council members rightly vetoed your push (thru the efforts of YOUR puppet Bill Wenning) to hire a lawyer (who could be called YOUR puppet) to advise them. no rfp (request for proposal) was ever done to hire a lawyer. i know u'll say faa experienced lawyers aren't just available. but, a process should have happened. but u cant stand it because they didnt jump on ur lawyer." END OF QUOTE BY WHATEVER.

Here is Herb Hunter (city councilman at the time) indicating why he felt the need to hire other attorneys......listen until Herb talks about a letter of what he considered "intimidation" that was sent by the BOAC attorney to the council.

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

also...the attorney the BOAC hired was an eminent domain specialist and admitted publicly he was not an FAA specialist.

http://youtu.be/nX3tmCzlYqE

let's also post for Franklin county what some of the opposition had to say that no one is listening to. Notice the crowd in some of the video...

ALan Goddard : http://youtu.be/pQwRuzTPsS8

Jerry AmRhein:
on spending funds for the attorney:

http://youtu.be/Jm3B3EmVucg

Judy Koors:
on losing her land
through eminent domain: http://youtu.be/NGA6RY3PLDU

Don Wall:
on hiring an attorney
with FAA expertise: http://youtu.be/cnhP_WGquak

Bruce Vandebur: http://youtu.be/BNwXzXJrUpc

Councilman Wenning:
thinks there should be
a vote...this shows the
Mayor and the public's
reaction to his
suggestion: http://youtu.be/9yGlTQl1Ntg

Franklin County....another problem we (the COncerned Citizens) have is that State Law currently allows a CITY board of Aviation Commissioners to have the majority live in the county and not in the city and they would not be subject to same said taxes that can occur as a result of this project being forced forward on behalf of the CITY taxpayers when they have had no say or vote in this matter.

The State Referendum law can also be circumvented to keep from having a vote and thus far they have circumvented that as well. that is not saying that eventually they will not have to succomb to that but it all depends on the money and where it will come from for the eminent domain.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2470 Jan 22, 2013
Here is another GDN quote that supports moving the airport to a new location. Also to be noted is how these officials do not think that choice is theres but the FAA's choice....i have posted information previously that shows that the FAA told me directly in an email that that decision is up to the local sponsor which is the CIty of Greensburg's elected officials, not the FAA as they had the officials believing. The elected officials were SOLD this project on misinformation.

QUOTE:
“If I had my druthers, I would pick an alternate site, but as I understand it, it’s not our choice.”

Council member Gary Herbert agreed a different site would be best because of the high activity at the Decatur County Youth Sports Complex, Parkside Lanes and Allen Memorial Swimming Pool due to the off chance of an incident.

“Hopefully, nothing ever happens. If it did, it’s something we’d have to live with and die with, but that’s why we’re in the hot seat,” he said." END QUOTE
whatever

Sunman, IN

#2471 Jan 22, 2013
red herrings not the smoking gun. rfp process entails seeking out those who fit the criteria. and if you go through the process and only find one. then so be it. but, the attempt should have been made. instead mj found a lawyer. mj stomped a foot and her puppet, bill wenning jumped. apparently, there was not a majority of the council who felt comfortable or the need to hire another attorney to advise them on one project.

did u ever lobby for change in the indiana code to prevent county residents from serving on city boards? my guess is no. if u r unwilling to do that then shut up about the issue. change is possible. but instead of doing u just wanna complain.

isnt it funny that u r entitled to change ur mind but no o ne else is.

once the faa comes back with their findings. the project will either go or change or stop accordingly.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2472 Jan 22, 2013
whatever wrote:
red herrings not the smoking gun. rfp process entails seeking out those who fit the criteria. and if you go through the process and only find one. then so be it. but, the attempt should have been made. instead mj found a lawyer. mj stomped a foot and her puppet, bill wenning jumped. apparently, there was not a majority of the council who felt comfortable or the need to hire another attorney to advise them on one project.
did u ever lobby for change in the indiana code to prevent county residents from serving on city boards? my guess is no. if u r unwilling to do that then shut up about the issue. change is possible. but instead of doing u just wanna complain.
isnt it funny that u r entitled to change ur mind but no o ne else is.
once the faa comes back with their findings. the project will either go or change or stop accordingly.
Once again I will point out (and have on video) several other times that entities came before the City Government and there were not other or not enough RFP's and the Council , Board of Works etc. merely tabled the issue until other RFP's were brought forward by their request. This is called the elected officials doing there job.

You seem to be of the opinion that I should pay my taxes to fund their elected positions and then do their work for them. IMO you have a real skewed view of how their jobs work and what is expected of them for the pay they receive.

ALSO....the City Council received a letter from the Airport Boards attorney that at least one if not two or more members of the City Council considered to be a letter of "intimidation".... but I'll post some video again so you can hear Herb Hunter state this himself.

Here is Herb Hunter (city councilman at the time) indicating why he felt the need to hire other attorneys......listen until Herb talks about a letter of what he considered "intimidation" that was sent by the BOAC attorney to the council.

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

also...the attorney the BOAC hired was an eminent domain specialist and admitted publicly he was not an FAA specialist.

http://youtu.be/nX3tmCzlYqE

let's also post for Franklin county what some of the opposition had to say that no one is listening to. Notice the crowd in some of the video...

ALan Goddard : http://youtu.be/pQwRuzTPsS8

Jerry AmRhein:
on spending funds for the attorney:

http://youtu.be/Jm3B3EmVucg

Judy Koors:
on losing her land
through eminent domain: http://youtu.be/NGA6RY3PLDU

Don Wall:
on hiring an attorney
with FAA expertise: http://youtu.be/cnhP_WGquak

Bruce Vandebur: http://youtu.be/BNwXzXJrUpc

Councilman Wenning:
thinks there should be
a vote...this shows the
Mayor and the public's
reaction to his
suggestion: http://youtu.be/9yGlTQl1Ntg

Franklin County....another problem we (the COncerned Citizens) have is that State Law currently allows a CITY board of Aviation Commissioners to have the majority live in the county and not in the city and they would not be subject to same said taxes that can occur as a result of this project being forced forward on behalf of the CITY taxpayers when they have had no say or vote in this matter.

The State Referendum law can also be circumvented to keep from having a vote and thus far they have circumvented that as well. that is not saying that eventually they will not have to succomb to that but it all depends on the money and where it will come from for the eminent domain.

A lot of the other information I have posted was for the benefit of the elected officials. These people were "SOLD" this proposed expansion project on MISINFORMATION...if you read the GDN articles...it is clear the TRUTH did not prevail.
whatever

Greensburg, IN

#2473 Jan 22, 2013
no, mj. i do not have a skewed view of the process. u do. are you telling me private citizens do not have the right to lobby for changes in laws they feel are unjust. it was a mother who lost a child to a drunk driver who founded sad and changed laws. it was a mother who lost a daughter to abductions that started the drive to Amber's law. one person can make a difference. u wouldn't be doing their jobs by lobbying to change the code. u'd be exercising your right as a citizen. if no one speaks out then they are part of the problem not the solution. if that is SO unfair then what is ur problem with lobbying for the changes?
Nopo

Greenwood, IN

#2474 Jan 22, 2013
whatever wrote:
I do not have a skewed view of the process.
We agree.... You don't! You have complete understanding that while Jean pisses time away in another political arena, your bunch is pursuing a "dog" of a project in airport expansion for which "John Q. Tazpayer" will be left to pay for ineptness.
whatever wrote:
Are you telling me private citizens do not have the right to lobby for changes in laws they feel are unjust. it was a mother who lost a child to a drunk driver who founded sad and changed laws. it was a mother who lost a daughter to abductions that started the drive to Amber's law. one person can make a difference. u wouldn't be doing their jobs by lobbying to change the code. u'd be exercising your right as a citizen.
Are you saying Greensburg's public officials are beyond approach by its private citizens?... And that Jean is doing something wrong in that she ISN'T exercising a right as a citizen?
whatever wrote:
If no one speaks out then they are part of the problem, not the solution.
Are you saying that in the interest of timeliness, in that Jean can't elevate things to state level, that Greensburg's city administration and the BOAC haven't the fortitude to act on "John Q. Taxpayer's" best interest? Are you admitting that Gary Herbert is the problem, and that HE stands in the way of real progress?
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2475 Jan 22, 2013
whatever wrote:
it was a mother who lost a daughter to abductions that started the drive to Amber's law. one person can make a difference. u wouldn't be doing their jobs by lobbying to change the code. u'd be exercising your right as a citizen. if no one speaks out then they are part of the problem not the solution. if that is SO unfair then what is ur problem with lobbying for the changes?
I feel many of us have made quite a difference. We shouldn't have to work so hard...that is what we pay our officials for with our tax money.

We (members of the concerned citizens)have written every elected official at one time or another from the top to the bottom of this issue to no avail. The political system isn't just broke here locally....it is broke from the top to the bottom. it isn't about right or wrong anymore. If it was...the City would not be taking these people land from them with no PROOF of NEED or that this facility will support itself once they force the building of it.

it is quite interesting that you dropped the RFP complaint in this last post.

It is the job of the Mayor and Council to request RFP's if there is not enough by law for them to do their job. I have videoed them tabling requests many times and requesting additional RFP's....and most times it was with the guidance of their attorney.

Another attorney involved would have messed up their "agenda".

so instead of tabling it and getting the RFP's they just voted it down and thought they had gotten rid of the "problem".

Honestly that was problably the biggest blessing the Concerned Citizens have received. He has dispelled a whole lot of misinformation that was being fed to the officials and the taxpayers in general.

The very first one he dispelled was the one where the BOAC had everyone believing (elected officials included) that their only choice was to build the new runway because the grant money was SO good that it would cost them more to repave the current runway (which was in need of attention) and that the FAA grants would not apply to do the repaving.

Being a former FAA attorney...he said that was not true right off the bat. Of course they all denied it...and it was particularly intersting (and I have it on video) the strategic way that Jim Pruett (BOAC board member and local attorney) put this question forth at the joint meeting between the City Council and the BOAC board to the BOAC engineer...and it was even more interesting the way that the BOAC engineer answered the question. It was strategic.

The engineer made the statement....(paraphrasing) you mean how much would it cost the taxpayers to pave the runway if the total cost was up to them to foot? You see they avoided the question (and the public was not allowed to ask questions or comment at this meeting and that was made clear before the meeting) of whether the FAA would or would not pay for repaving. They knew we knew the answer to that question. They would not let us speak so this could come out and be reported as the ruse it was.....and yet lo and behold...this project has now been going on long enough...that they had no choice but to repave the runway because of the need...and guess what? The applied and received an FAA grant to do so.

That is just one. there are more. AND by the way it is conduct like this coupled with undeniable statistics that changed my stance on this proposed bohemus of a project.

Do I need to post yet again the quote of Councilman Glenn Tebbe from the Greensburg Daily News that I have posted before where he was under the impression of how costly this was going to be if they did not proceed pursuing the grant for this proposed project??

This project was "SOLD" on total misinformation.

and then there is the letters of support and that fiasco as indicated by our attorney to the FAA:

http://www.greensburgairport.com/120904-Taber...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2476 Jan 22, 2013
this post was worth repeating;
is anyone listening?!?!

quote by:

Franklin co res

Westport, IN


"'if "government" is going to force this agenda on the taxpayers'
It will not work if there is not overwhelming support from private enterprise, in the form of $ invested" end of quote by Franklin co res

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