Greeneville Greene County EMS

Greeneville Greene County EMS

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EMS

Johnson City, TN

#1 Aug 15, 2014
The above agency is a taxpayer funded Government agency.

Police and Sheriff are taxpayer funded agencies.

Many fire departments are taxpayer funded agencies.

Police do not charge to respond to help you! Fire departments do not charge to save you or your property when there is a fire or other emergency. However EMS does charge you if you are taken anywhere in an ambulance, and they fight like hell against competition from private services? The Greene County Commission backs them? Private ambulance services should be allowed to compete, or EMS should not be allowed to charge for any service they provide, as Police and Fire are not allowed. I hope the new County Commission takes up this issue!

Free enterprise, or free ambulance service from GGCEMS! EMS is a Government protected monopoly, and that is not legal!
Really

Greeneville, TN

#2 Aug 15, 2014
EMS wrote:
The above agency is a taxpayer funded Government agency.
Police and Sheriff are taxpayer funded agencies.
Many fire departments are taxpayer funded agencies.
Police do not charge to respond to help you! Fire departments do not charge to save you or your property when there is a fire or other emergency. However EMS does charge you if you are taken anywhere in an ambulance, and they fight like hell against competition from private services? The Greene County Commission backs them? Private ambulance services should be allowed to compete, or EMS should not be allowed to charge for any service they provide, as Police and Fire are not allowed. I hope the new County Commission takes up this issue!
Free enterprise, or free ambulance service from GGCEMS! EMS is a Government protected monopoly, and that is not legal!
You make a darn good point!
stuck

Greeneville, TN

#3 Aug 15, 2014
just like our cable provider
EMS

Johnson City, TN

#4 Aug 15, 2014
Really wrote:
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You make a darn good point!
Thank you!

Ever notice that 'supervisor' they have? rides around in a car with government tags (and takes it home with him). He weighs about 375 on the hoof, and does nothing that anyone knows of? what does EMS need a field supervisor for anyway? I'll bet his salary and benefits are greater than the $73,000 they were begging the County Commission for about a month ago! On top of that they have a director (also with a vehicle) he has a SUV and I'm sure a much larger salary! What exactly does he direct? I think they have dispatchers as well, couldn't they be dispatched by 911, the GCSD or GPD?

The paramedics are fine people who deserve their jobs, and do fine. They are well trained and benefit the community. That agency has to many non-professional's in high paid positions within the EMS draining the County Taxpayer dry! It's time someone did a full audit of EMS. Hell this whole County needs a good audit, to see how many 'buddy deals' Alan and the old gang have going out there! Bill Dabbs is the only one who stood up against them, and he was taken out in our recent wave of change. Alan and the old crew are going to try to shove an 11% property tax up our collective rear ends Monday August 18 just before they leave office, they must need some more high paid pals in jobs? It's time to attend meetings people!
Involved Citizen

Indian Trail, NC

#5 Aug 15, 2014
EMS wrote:
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Thank you!
Ever notice that 'supervisor' they have? rides around in a car with government tags (and takes it home with him). He weighs about 375 on the hoof, and does nothing that anyone knows of? what does EMS need a field supervisor for anyway? I'll bet his salary and benefits are greater than the $73,000 they were begging the County Commission for about a month ago! On top of that they have a director (also with a vehicle) he has a SUV and I'm sure a much larger salary! What exactly does he direct? I think they have dispatchers as well, couldn't they be dispatched by 911, the GCSD or GPD?
The paramedics are fine people who deserve their jobs, and do fine. They are well trained and benefit the community. That agency has to many non-professional's in high paid positions within the EMS draining the County Taxpayer dry! It's time someone did a full audit of EMS. Hell this whole County needs a good audit, to see how many 'buddy deals' Alan and the old gang have going out there! Bill Dabbs is the only one who stood up against them, and he was taken out in our recent wave of change. Alan and the old crew are going to try to shove an 11% property tax up our collective rear ends Monday August 18 just before they leave office, they must need some more high paid pals in jobs? It's time to attend meetings people!
I'm not here to point fingers as I know that there are many things that need to change but your statement about the salaries is entirely false. EMS is the lowest paid agency in this county. The sheriff is elected and can give his employees a raise whenever he wants to, with or without permission. The police and fire departments are paid well as the city I believe is better managing their budget. I looked up the salaries for the director of EMS and it is much less than you like to make it sound. There are employees of other agencies that make as much or more than the EMS director does.

You obviously have no idea how an emergency agency runs because you have only singled out EMS. The fire chief and his admin capt both have take home vehicles, the sheriff and all his deputies get take home vehicles, yet you only make an example of EMS. I would be willing to make the statement that you probably make more than the employees that staff the ambulances in this county. And they have to charge because our county budget system keeps taking money. That money that the director asked for just recently was money that was cut out of the EMS budget at the start of the last fiscal year. It takes money to run things and this county commission and the citizens need to stop being so hard headed about raising taxes. Things aren't getting any cheaper. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the police and sheriff charge mileage when transporting inmates or persons to jail. Again correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the fire department does bill for calls. Home and auto insurance pay for their responses.

You make it sound like private ambulance is the answer for this county. They would never stay and would go under if they didn't get paid. GCGEMS works with the citizens of this county to help them pay their bill at payments they can afford. I can promise you private services are not so compromising. All I ask is that you study your county budget a little more, and learn how things actually work before making statements that are incorrect.
EMS

Johnson City, TN

#6 Aug 15, 2014
Involved Citizen wrote:
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I'm not here to point fingers as I know that there are many things that need to change but your statement about the salaries is entirely false. EMS is the lowest paid agency in this county. The sheriff is elected and can give his employees a raise whenever he wants to, with or without permission. The police and fire departments are paid well as the city I believe is better managing their budget. I looked up the salaries for the director of EMS and it is much less than you like to make it sound. There are employees of other agencies that make as much or more than the EMS director does.
You obviously have no idea how an emergency agency runs because you have only singled out EMS. The fire chief and his admin capt both have take home vehicles, the sheriff and all his deputies get take home vehicles, yet you only make an example of EMS. I would be willing to make the statement that you probably make more than the employees that staff the ambulances in this county. And they have to charge because our county budget system keeps taking money. That money that the director asked for just recently was money that was cut out of the EMS budget at the start of the last fiscal year. It takes money to run things and this county commission and the citizens need to stop being so hard headed about raising taxes. Things aren't getting any cheaper. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the police and sheriff charge mileage when transporting inmates or persons to jail. Again correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the fire department does bill for calls. Home and auto insurance pay for their responses.
You make it sound like private ambulance is the answer for this county. They would never stay and would go under if they didn't get paid. GCGEMS works with the citizens of this county to help them pay their bill at payments they can afford. I can promise you private services are not so compromising. All I ask is that you study your county budget a little more, and learn how things actually work before making statements that are incorrect.
Thank you ever so much for getting me all straightened out! You are correct I have little knowledge of these complex things; all I ever accomplished in my life was to be a Chief of police for 16 years, a City Mayor for 8 years, and a council person for 4 years. Where did you retrieve the respective salaries of county employees, I would like to look at them as well? I never said a private ambulance service was the answer, I stated a government controlled monopoly in not legal, and it isn't! I also questioned the supervisory staff EMS has and the need for them, and their salaries. Please provide a link for the information you provided, thank you.
Replying

Indian Trail, NC

#7 Aug 15, 2014
EMS wrote:
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Thank you ever so much for getting me all straightened out! You are correct I have little knowledge of these complex things; all I ever accomplished in my life was to be a Chief of police for 16 years, a City Mayor for 8 years, and a council person for 4 years. Where did you retrieve the respective salaries of county employees, I would like to look at them as well? I never said a private ambulance service was the answer, I stated a government controlled monopoly in not legal, and it isn't! I also questioned the supervisory staff EMS has and the need for them, and their salaries. Please provide a link for the information you provided, thank you.
I cannot remember the link, however if you type Greene county tn budget into google I think that is how I found the county budget spreadsheet. It shows the previous year's budget.
EMS

Johnson City, TN

#8 Aug 16, 2014
Replying wrote:
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I cannot remember the link, however if you type Greene county tn budget into google I think that is how I found the county budget spreadsheet. It shows the previous year's budget.
The budget is in PDF, so I can't copy and paste, but for anyone interested "Google" Greene County TN Budget 2013.

For the day to day operation of the Sheriffs Office $4,456,370 is allocated.

For the day to day operation of EMS $3,296,138 is allocated.

This hinders, rather than proves your point my friend! The county gives EMS roughly 1 million dollars less than the Sheriffs Office? Considering the number of staff and rolling stock, wouldn't that actually make EMS the highest funded agency in Greene County? EMS has a lot of nerve charging for their service, would be my opinion. They went over this huge budget by at least $73,000 that we know of. Where is all this funding going? I doubt the Paramedics are getting rich, so who is? I will research this more, and may have a follow up.
resident

United States

#9 Aug 16, 2014
I know about the private ambulance service because I have friends that use them. Greene county raised all the rates of their transports starting July 1 of this year. No matter if they take you two miles or twenty miles you pay the same money plus the mileage. Greene county EMS director has lied to this county over and over. Several people have stood up to him and he doesn't like it. He can't remember the lies he told and he gets mad when somebody shows him up. Read the letter to the editor from the woman who's dad is hauled by life care. She quoted him word for word and had statements he made earlier that the ems was in great shape. But yet he asked for more money. I would stop at audit. I would call the TBI in and let them investigate like they have other areas. I don't see how an agency can charge what they do and still be the lowest paid salaries for ems workers. I agree with the poster above. The director and his field director have no business driving around in a big suburban and the tax payers paying the bill for it. This county needs a change and if other citizens will come forward and actually do what they complain about then something can be done.
county

United States

#10 Aug 16, 2014
Sayne said he could handle all those calls the other ambulance had made.. Why hasn't he done it before? Because the workers are to busy sitting at hardees or Ryan's or pizza inn or subway
St Elmo

Greeneville, TN

#11 Aug 16, 2014
stuck wrote:
just like our cable provider
What about every single Farm Bureau employee driving home brand new vehicles every where they go. Even take them on their vacations !! We pay for this, especially with our new $1000 and 1500 dollar deductibles
unreal

United States

#12 Aug 16, 2014
It amazes me how incompetent the EMS director was on the news. Does he really think he can do emergency and non emergency calls and give the citizens what they need? Can someone not get his resignation and help turn this county around? Why not do away with the county service and make a separate emergency and non emergency service and that way both calls can be made and the patients can get the respect and care they truly deserve. When did it all become about money and not citizens rights? Mr. Dabbs was right they are trying to make it a dictatorship. Another thing said in paper is true we live in America. Why can't we choose?
samuel

Greeneville, TN

#13 Aug 18, 2014
sayne needs to go. he lied in the commissioner meeting today about knowledge of things going on in his dept.
resident

United States

#14 Aug 18, 2014
He lies every time he opens his mouth. There have been things gone on but he never did nothing about it. There are stories they refused to haul somebody because of a disease they had. That's s lawsuit waiting to happen. I heard channel 11 is looking into it and more stories about abuse and neglect by Greene county EMS. It's far from being over. Maybe the new commissioners and mayor will ask for his resignation.
butch

Johnson City, TN

#15 Aug 18, 2014
Section 22 of Title I of the Tennessee Constitution states:

"That perpetuities and monopolies are contrary to the genius of a free state, and shall not be allowed."

Those supporting the monopoly position of EMS are violating the Tennessee Constitution. Public officials supporting the EMS monopoly are, further, violating his oaths of office.
resident

United States

#16 Aug 18, 2014
When the county EMS can't do the job then you get somebody who can. This country is defended every day for our freedoms. Making people choose less than standard for their medical service is against those freedoms. Nobody should have to settle for less than they deserve when it comes to their medical needs.
taxpayer

United States

#17 Aug 18, 2014
Ems director should pay about 10,000a year thats bout what he actually works
resident

United States

#18 Aug 18, 2014
Not sure if he deserves that. .lol.. his neighbors say he's gone from about 10-2 and that means he has no idea what goes on. . City police almost have EMS a ticket cause they were speeding up four lane with no patient. That's where tax payer money goes. . Waste of gas. . Why we paying him to have that big Suburban to.
kuntry boy

Greeneville, TN

#19 Aug 18, 2014
EMS WORKERS MAKE 8.50/hr that's all I know I know nothing about anything else but that's all the people that are supposed to keep you alive to the hospital make
resident

United States

#20 Aug 19, 2014
Greene county EMS is the lowest paid workers. It's not the workers fault. They need a better manager and director and somebody who can manage the money. Not go in somebody's pocket. You can't know what your workers are doing if you are never there.

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