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fromexperience

Atlanta, GA

#21 Apr 29, 2012
true story wrote:
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do u actually think Robert McNeese's pals knew what he was doing? One of his best buds is a federal agent! Lol He seemed like the biggest goody goody ever. When people are being arrested by ASSOCIATION only, sounds like Burns has lost control of a couple of his officers. I'm sure the majority are good by far, but seem afraid to stand up to ones acting outside of the law. Of course it's not legal to arrest someone for drugs when they didn't know about because to be actually convicted of possession, the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show the person not only knew about it but also had control over it. Also, there was not a search warrant, which the co cops actually think they don't need. Question is, Burns, do you need a lawsuit or can you help your officers understand we don't live in Nazi Germany?
You can be detained, arrested, AND convicted by ASSOCIATION only. If you drive the get away car, you are guilty of all your partner's crimes. There have been many who have tried that route to freedom and have failed. "I didn't know what he was doing, officer!" You are correct that the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of the prosecution in proving that you knew what was going on so that you can be CONVICTED. Of course, the prosecutor's duty is not to justice, but to conviction. Its a public office, I believe. He can offer a deal to your "partner" for leniency in return for info on you. Wonder what he will say? OF COURSE, its OK (and normal police procedure) to arrest someone for drugs even though they say they didn't know about them! WTF. It is NOT the officer's job to convict. It is his job to arrest. You are confusing arrest with conviction. If arrest depended on someone admitting to the crime right then and there, then we would have VERY FEW arrests in this country. "Oh, these aren't your drugs? None of you all knew about these drugs? We apologize for the inconvenience. Carry on." Wow! Then you would be on here b*tching about the cops NOT doing there job. And, yes - the cops actually do not need a search warrant. It can be acquired before, during, or even after the raid for many various reasons; such as, probable cause, risk of injury and/or death, risk of suspect flight, risk of evidence destruction or loss (which was directly relative in my case), etc. You think I didn't argue that way back then? Of course, in retrospect - they were right. Now that I am older and MUCH wiser, I realize that I was wrong and arrest/conviction was the ONLY thing that would get me straight or save my life, for that matter.
the white madea

United States

#22 Apr 29, 2012
fromexperience wrote:
<quoted text>You can be detained, arrested, AND convicted by ASSOCIATION only. If you drive the get away car, you are guilty of all your partner's crimes. There have been many who have tried that route to freedom and have failed. "I didn't know what he was doing, officer!" You are correct that the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of the prosecution in proving that you knew what was going on so that you can be CONVICTED. Of course, the prosecutor's duty is not to justice, but to conviction. Its a public office, I believe. He can offer a deal to your "partner" for leniency in return for info on you. Wonder what he will say? OF COURSE, its OK (and normal police procedure) to arrest someone for drugs even though they say they didn't know about them! WTF. It is NOT the officer's job to convict. It is his job to arrest. You are confusing arrest with conviction. If arrest depended on someone admitting to the crime right then and there, then we would have VERY FEW arrests in this country. "Oh, these aren't your drugs? None of you all knew about these drugs? We apologize for the inconvenience. Carry on." Wow! Then you would be on here b*tching about the cops NOT doing there job. And, yes - the cops actually do not need a search warrant. It can be acquired before, during, or even after the raid for many various reasons; such as, probable cause, risk of injury and/or death, risk of suspect flight, risk of evidence destruction or loss (which was directly relative in my case), etc. You think I didn't argue that way back then? Of course, in retrospect - they were right. Now that I am older and MUCH wiser, I realize that I was wrong and arrest/conviction was the ONLY thing that would get me straight or save my life, for that matter.
Do you live in Iran or North Korea? I've heard the "mind police" can be really mean there, so you might want to be careful what you post! Lol! Here in AMERICA, we actually have this cool thing that I learned about in school called the constitution, which protects our rights. Neat huh? I learned in school that the fourth amendment gives our citizens rights against unreasonable search and seizure. Now I suspect that your dictator, President Snow, I mean sheriff Burns, let's you use a very loose interpretation of "unreasonable". In order for a search without a warrant to be reasonable, the officer(s) would need to show probable cause. I am at a loss to find the specific statute(law) that allows association to be considered "probable cause". That must be because it doesn't exist here in AMERICA. The examples of probable cause that I found are: hot pursuit, someone's life is in danger, etc. NOT "you look like one of them there skateboarder types that might hang around JJ." That is a stretch....Am I going to get a public beating for this when the capital finds out?!
Love,
Katniss Everdeen
the white madea

United States

#23 Apr 29, 2012
fromexperience wrote:
<quoted text>You can be detained, arrested, AND convicted by ASSOCIATION only. If you drive the get away car, you are guilty of all your partner's crimes. There have been many who have tried that route to freedom and have failed. "I didn't know what he was doing, officer!" You are correct that the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of the prosecution in proving that you knew what was going on so that you can be CONVICTED. Of course, the prosecutor's duty is not to justice, but to conviction. Its a public office, I believe. He can offer a deal to your "partner" for leniency in return for info on you. Wonder what he will say? OF COURSE, its OK (and normal police procedure) to arrest someone for drugs even though they say they didn't know about them! WTF. It is NOT the officer's job to convict. It is his job to arrest. You are confusing arrest with conviction. If arrest depended on someone admitting to the crime right then and there, then we would have VERY FEW arrests in this country. "Oh, these aren't your drugs? None of you all knew about these drugs? We apologize for the inconvenience. Carry on." Wow! Then you would be on here b*tching about the cops NOT doing there job. And, yes - the cops actually do not need a search warrant. It can be acquired before, during, or even after the raid for many various reasons; such as, probable cause, risk of injury and/or death, risk of suspect flight, risk of evidence destruction or loss (which was directly relative in my case), etc. You think I didn't argue that way back then? Of course, in retrospect - they were right. Now that I am older and MUCH wiser, I realize that I was wrong and arrest/conviction was the ONLY thing that would get me straight or save my life, for that matter.
Driving a getaway car is NOT association, lol! That is participating in the crime. Silly!
riiiight

Murfreesboro, TN

#24 Apr 29, 2012
All I know is, I miss my friends. And the justice system is complete bullshit. The one person that deserves to be in jail is free.. While the others have to suffer for something they really didn't do
the white madea

United States

#25 Apr 29, 2012
riiiight wrote:
All I know is, I miss my friends. And the justice system is complete bullshit. The one person that deserves to be in jail is free.. While the others have to suffer for something they really didn't do
Right on! We need to stand up against this craziness! Sheriff Burns' position is an ELECTED one. If anything happens to me, you will know it is because I am exercising my right to free speech, because I live in AMERICA. Meanwhile, the guilty go free. What has become of this place? If you have knowledge of this case and feel compelled to do so, go online to the US Justice dept, the ACLU (you can file a complaint online) and begin the online petition on change. Org. Stand up for your friends and what you believe in-the more people the better. The more complaints filed, the more likely something is to be done. We also have the right to organize without the fear of retribution. So, if something happens to one of us, let the public record show....
the white madea

United States

#26 Apr 29, 2012
riiiight wrote:
All I know is, I miss my friends. And the justice system is complete bullshit. The one person that deserves to be in jail is free.. While the others have to suffer for something they really didn't do
Also, write a letter to your officials and keep copies. This IS clear BS. Get mad and DO something to change things! We should not have to fear criticizing our government.
fromexperience

Atlanta, GA

#27 Apr 29, 2012
the white madea wrote:
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Do you live in Iran or North Korea? I've heard the "mind police" can be really mean there, so you might want to be careful what you post! Lol! Here in AMERICA, we actually have this cool thing that I learned about in school called the constitution, which protects our rights. Neat huh? I learned in school that the fourth amendment gives our citizens rights against unreasonable search and seizure. Now I suspect that your dictator, President Snow, I mean sheriff Burns, let's you use a very loose interpretation of "unreasonable". In order for a search without a warrant to be reasonable, the officer(s) would need to show probable cause. I am at a loss to find the specific statute(law) that allows association to be considered "probable cause". That must be because it doesn't exist here in AMERICA. The examples of probable cause that I found are: hot pursuit, someone's life is in danger, etc. NOT "you look like one of them there skateboarder types that might hang around JJ." That is a stretch....Am I going to get a public beating for this when the capital finds out?!
Love,
Katniss Everdeen
No. I live in America. Lol. You SHOULD be careful about what you say. The net, landline phones, cells, and e-mails are constantly screened post 9/11. That's a fact. They are screened for many certain keywords. I know about the Constitution. And, it is neat. It is not some invisible cloak or get out of jail free card. You may have to delve into litigation to experience these rights. I don't know who you think I am - the sheriff doesn't let me use anything. I am just telling you my personal experience. Probable cause is VERY easy to explain. And, it does exist. If a gang of kids robbed a liquor store and one is identified and the police find that one, hanging out with a few kids - how many do you think will be questioned and detained? Especially, if a couple of the kids match some vague description. Even though they may be innocent. That is association. I never mentioned anything about what someone looks like - that may be discrimination or profiling. I don't even know what a JJ is! When I was arrested, so were the other 12 people that were there at my party - including one that escaped and was caught outside the apartment building. NO officer saw him when they entered, but they suspected him of being there. They had no search warrant because it was in the process of being requested. They had probable cause because they busted a guy who they were watching. They feared that all the dope would be gone or sold by the time they received the warrant. All legit. I was also charged with other dope charges thanks to my "friend" throwing his down. Eventually, over the course of various timeframes, all but two of us were released and cleared. If you are riding with a friend and he gets pulled over and the cops do an authorized search and find a pound of pot - how many of you do you think will go to jail that night?
fromexperience

Atlanta, GA

#28 Apr 29, 2012
the white madea wrote:
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Driving a getaway car is NOT association, lol! That is participating in the crime. Silly!
But, the driver did NOT rob the store and he did NOT pull the trigger. Yet, he can be charged with both those crimes. Even if he did NOT know what his so-called friend was doing.
brittany lowe

Murfreesboro, TN

#29 Apr 29, 2012
fromexperience wrote:
<quoted text>But, the driver did NOT rob the store and he did NOT pull the trigger. Yet, he can be charged with both those crimes. Even if he did NOT know what his so-called friend was doing.
What are you guys talking? I think we're tLking about a different drug bust. This forum is about the one whose house got raided looking for Jj Hudson
Curtis

Johnson City, TN

#30 Apr 29, 2012
weed n beer? Hmmm, wow what a bust. Leave these kids alone.
the white madea

United States

#31 Apr 29, 2012
Curtis wrote:
weed n beer? Hmmm, wow what a bust. Leave these kids alone.
Thank you!
u know it

Johnson City, TN

#32 May 1, 2012
riiiight wrote:
All I know is, I miss my friends. And the justice system is complete bullshit. The one person that deserves to be in jail is free.. While the others have to suffer for something they really didn't do
well if your friends are in jail its cause JJ is a little pansy and too scared to face the system, all of my peeps are getting busted in on cause of him, the only way its going to stop is if he gets turned in and yall know where he is, i know some of you do. but come on guys what kind of friend is JJ if he is letting all of his buddies get busted just cause he is on the run, he is the only one that can stop this.
The Man

United States

#33 May 3, 2012
u know it wrote:
<quoted text>well if your friends are in jail its cause JJ is a little pansy and too scared to face the system, all of my peeps are getting busted in on cause of him, the only way its going to stop is if he gets turned in and yall know where he is, i know some of you do. but come on guys what kind of friend is JJ if he is letting all of his buddies get busted just cause he is on the run, he is the only one that can stop this.
JJ Hudson AKA 0 to 60 thinks he's a bad ass in his little Honda I'd personally like to beat the living shit out of that tookie lookin knucklefucker

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