Greeneville Historic Zoining Commission
Lost it

Nebo, NC

#41 Nov 13, 2013
Really wrote:
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The citizens of Greeneville should never trust them again. I have known the Daniels for years but no longer trust or respect them. What in the hell were they thinking? He's the mayor and she is the first lady of Greeneville. Did they really believe no one would care?
No character no truth no honor. We do care what they have done.
mrs hardin

Devault, PA

#42 Nov 13, 2013
Lost it wrote:
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No character no truth no honor. We do care what they have done.
The Daniels(es) are only participating in a Greeneville tradition of doing as you please with elegant old buildings which have historical value. Greeneville Town Hall? On the site of a tear down, which beautiful house was Longstreet's headquarters in the Civil War, among other things. Towne Square strip mall of the mid 60s?(which housed WT's Tailor Shop business at some point): Made possible by tear downs of Summer Street red brick elegance, 2 good Irish Street houses, and a Cutler Street house. Does Dr. Cobble even remember his childhood home? Does anybody? Teardown of the old Doughty Stevens funeral home (pre Civil War David R Britton house) with the full approval of the sainted Mr Doughty, for what....Bradford pears and a bench, a picket fence and roses in the summer. The Snapp house Victorian beauty across the street from the funeral home? The beauty at the corner of N Main and Spencer? History be damned, beauty be damned, that is the motto of Greeneville money makers and strivers. The Greeneville Sun office on Summer? Yet another teardown. Mr Fisher the architect of the Walters State monstrosity....wasn't he a Historical Zoning Commission and Heritage Trust guy at one point in his rise to glory? Mr Hankins, the architect of the Antrim teardown on N Main is in the brave tradition of Mr Fisher: Use your knowledge and skill for destruction. G'ville is lucky that the hideously altered Valentine Sevier house is even standing. The corner of Main and Spencer which I noted? The Barney Smith family and Giant Grocery profited from that one. Profiting from gratuitous destruction is the Greeneville and American tradition, sell lightning rods to farmers (thank you Col Doughty) and then you're on your way to eventual greatness in a little town. Wave your flag high, Greeneville, as high as your sordid profits allow. Way to go class of '65, way to go. You are less honorable than a cow pile. Aux armes mes citoyens. Forgive my French. No, don't. And the Federal Courthouse? Oh Wow. Merde. The teardowns on Depot and Irish are strewn like forgotten rose petals at Valentino's grave. Aux armes mes citoyens. Allons enfants. Do not have a nice day.
Polly Wannacracka

Greeneville, TN

#43 Nov 13, 2013
mrs hardin wrote:
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The Daniels(es) are only participating in a Greeneville tradition of doing as you please with elegant old buildings which have historical value. Greeneville Town Hall? On the site of a tear down, which beautiful house was Longstreet's headquarters in the Civil War, among other things. Towne Square strip mall of the mid 60s?(which housed WT's Tailor Shop business at some point): Made possible by tear downs of Summer Street red brick elegance, 2 good Irish Street houses, and a Cutler Street house. Does Dr. Cobble even remember his childhood home? Does anybody? Teardown of the old Doughty Stevens funeral home (pre Civil War David R Britton house) with the full approval of the sainted Mr Doughty, for what....Bradford pears and a bench, a picket fence and roses in the summer. The Snapp house Victorian beauty across the street from the funeral home? The beauty at the corner of N Main and Spencer? History be damned, beauty be damned, that is the motto of Greeneville money makers and strivers. The Greeneville Sun office on Summer? Yet another teardown. Mr Fisher the architect of the Walters State monstrosity....wasn't he a Historical Zoning Commission and Heritage Trust guy at one point in his rise to glory? Mr Hankins, the architect of the Antrim teardown on N Main is in the brave tradition of Mr Fisher: Use your knowledge and skill for destruction. G'ville is lucky that the hideously altered Valentine Sevier house is even standing. The corner of Main and Spencer which I noted? The Barney Smith family and Giant Grocery profited from that one. Profiting from gratuitous destruction is the Greeneville and American tradition, sell lightning rods to farmers (thank you Col Doughty) and then you're on your way to eventual greatness in a little town. Wave your flag high, Greeneville, as high as your sordid profits allow. Way to go class of '65, way to go. You are less honorable than a cow pile. Aux armes mes citoyens. Forgive my French. No, don't. And the Federal Courthouse? Oh Wow. Merde. The teardowns on Depot and Irish are strewn like forgotten rose petals at Valentino's grave. Aux armes mes citoyens. Allons enfants. Do not have a nice day.
The class of 65 included Andy Susong Daniels, but not W.T. I went to school with both of them.

Is it your opinion that once a structure is built on a piece of property that said structure should never to be modified or replaced? Should it stay in its original condition until the end of time? What about the outhouses that surely were at all the old dilapidated houses that you have mentioned? Should they have received a reprieve from the wrecking ball? Dirt streets? Gas street lights? Bring 'em all back?
sad

Greeneville, TN

#44 Nov 13, 2013
Concerned Downtowner wrote:
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If I was Mr. Hankins I would'nt have shown up either. She lied to the commission because she knew she would get away with it. She should be ashamed. The town of Greeneville needs to abolish the commission because it no longer serves a purpose. If she was'nt willing to play by the rules/ordinaces then she should have never bought the house in the first
place.
that's a wonderful idea. Then all of use can watch it rot to the ground. The house has sat there for 9 yrs you idiot. I'm glad she bought it. I don't care who would of bought it. It looks great.
sad

Greeneville, TN

#45 Nov 13, 2013
Polly Wannacracka wrote:
<quoted text>The class of 65 included Andy Susong Daniels, but not W.T. I went to school with both of them.
Is it your opinion that once a structure is built on a piece of property that said structure should never to be modified or replaced? Should it stay in its original condition until the end of time? What about the outhouses that surely were at all the old dilapidated houses that you have mentioned? Should they have received a reprieve from the wrecking ball? Dirt streets? Gas street lights? Bring 'em all back?
well if you went to school with them you would know that they didn't graduate at the same time.What does a reunion have to do with anything? What you said is just plan stupid.
Honor

Greeneville, TN

#46 Nov 13, 2013
Just doing what you said you would do!
Trust

Greeneville, TN

#47 Nov 13, 2013
Just doing what you promised to d!
Integrity

Greeneville, TN

#48 Nov 13, 2013
?
whose integrity

Devault, PA

#49 Nov 14, 2013
Integrity wrote:
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Whose integrity? Mayor and Mrs Daniels? The historical zoning commission? Maybe they have integrity to spare, like spare change for a beggar.
Confused

Greeneville, TN

#50 Nov 15, 2013
Downtown observer wrote:
The Commission serves no purpose and should be abolished. The mayors wife evidently thinks she can do what she wants and does"nt need their approval to renovate an old historical building downtown. If they allow her to keep the windows she had installed without their approval they should all resign and close the doors on the commission permentally. Ordinances should be enforced! It requires more than just receiving a letter of disapointment. What in the hell has that accomplished?
I Just read this and trying to figure out what is going on. What approval should she have gotten on what? It is her house why does she need anything approved????? I just replaced my windows and no one asked me for anything.
Polly Wannacracka

Greeneville, TN

#51 Nov 16, 2013
sad wrote:
<quoted text>well if you went to school with them you would know that they didn't graduate at the same time.What does a reunion have to do with anything? What you said is just plan stupid.
I said that they weren't in the same graduating class. W.T. was not at GHS in 1965, and I don't remember mentioning a reunion.
Honesty

Greeneville, TN

#52 Nov 17, 2013
Doing what you promised to do without fail.

The HZ Commission trusted the wrong ones!
Concerned Citizen

Greeneville, TN

#53 Nov 18, 2013
sad wrote:
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that's a wonderful idea. Then all of use can watch it rot to the ground. The house has sat there for 9 yrs you idiot. I'm glad she bought it. I don't care who would of bought it. It looks great.
Yea your right, I'm an idot because I believe that citizens should be treated the same. That's why we have laws, Ordinaces, and rules and regulations. Evidently you are not smart enough to understand that. Maybe they will put a chicken pen in the back yard.
keep in mind

Devault, PA

#54 Nov 18, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
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Yea your right, I'm an idot because I believe that citizens should be treated the same. That's why we have laws, Ordinaces, and rules and regulations. Evidently you are not smart enough to understand that. Maybe they will put a chicken pen in the back yard.
Keep in mind that given the weakness and ineffectiveness of the HZC, they may have very well sent Ms Daniels indirect signals that it was OK by them to remove original windows and take the vinyl route. Their lack of enforcement and belated follow up is pathetic; what took them so long? did someone finally complain? It worked out for both sides though, didn't it....she apologizes, maybe suffers a minor embarrassment, the HZC looks the other way, and the wretched windows of a done deal stay in place. Greeneville's oldest brick residence gets no respect, that's for sure. Yet another benchmark for Olde Greeneville's egregious lack of preservation organizations. Time to celebrate at the Morgan, I guess. Cheers to our heritage, drinks all around.
Make it like it was

Greeneville, TN

#55 Nov 18, 2013
keep in mind wrote:
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Keep in mind that given the weakness and ineffectiveness of the HZC, they may have very well sent Ms Daniels indirect signals that it was OK by them to remove original windows and take the vinyl route. Their lack of enforcement and belated follow up is pathetic; what took them so long? did someone finally complain? It worked out for both sides though, didn't it....she apologizes, maybe suffers a minor embarrassment, the HZC looks the other way, and the wretched windows of a done deal stay in place. Greeneville's oldest brick residence gets no respect, that's for sure. Yet another benchmark for Olde Greeneville's egregious lack of preservation organizations. Time to celebrate at the Morgan, I guess. Cheers to our heritage, drinks all around.
Didn't they add a whole new right side addition to The General Morgan Inn? The part with the roof you can walk on wasn't there when it was originally built. Make them tear it down.
Great comment

Nebo, NC

#56 Nov 18, 2013
keep in mind wrote:
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Keep in mind that given the weakness and ineffectiveness of the HZC, they may have very well sent Ms Daniels indirect signals that it was OK by them to remove original windows and take the vinyl route. Their lack of enforcement and belated follow up is pathetic; what took. them so long? did someone finally complain? It worked out for both sides though, didn't it....she apologizes, maybe suffers a minor embarrassment, the HZC looks the other way, and the wretched windows of a done deal stay in place. Greeneville's oldest brick residence gets no respect, that's for sure. Yet another benchmark for Olde Greeneville's egregious lack of preservation organizations. Time to celebrate at the Morgan, I guess. Cheers to our heritage, drinks all around.
thanks for your comment. You have great insight in to the way our town is running.....and who it serves!
Quote of Dr Graham

Nebo, NC

#57 Nov 18, 2013
"woe to those who call evil good" qe have lost our spiritual equilibrium And reversed our values and have abused power and called it politics. "
I couldn't help but think of Greeneville and the players here when I heard Dr. Grahams prayer for the nation a few weeks ago.
Thinking Same

Greeneville, TN

#58 Nov 19, 2013
I think we have lost our spiritual equilibrium and our conscience telling us what is right and wrong good and evil here. We see examples of power abused by the leaders here everyday. I am concerned and hope you are too.
Zedekhia Zankowicz

United States

#59 Nov 20, 2013
This issue has to do with property rights.

Critics had ample opportunity to buy said property and, with the guidance and under the supervision of the Greeneville Historic Zoning Commission, would have been free to perform the necessary repairs that would have satisfied even the staunchest preservationists.

That is not what happened.

A legal real estate transfer occurred and the present owners assumed ownership. The key word here is ownership.

What a property owner (again that pesky word) does with his property is his own business.
Bad Egg

Nebo, NC

#60 Nov 21, 2013
Selective Enforcment of any rule is harmful. The Historical Zoning Board has made a horrible mistake closing their eyes to this. They will never be able to enforce historic zoning ordinances on others who do not follow the standards for reconstruction .If they really want to enforce the law legal action would be the logical step to remove the egg off so many faces.

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