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Kat

Johnson City, TN

#397 Jul 19, 2014
My 2 cents wrote:
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Very snarkily put! I read the post because, unlike some people, I do care to get other views. Don't tell me not to read the posts when I am being asked to pay taxes for teacher salaries. It's a shame we lose too many everything to outside cities/states. I never accused anyone of saying teachers worked more or less than anyone else. And before you criticize me and my job or salary, walk a mile in my shoes. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes, you are paying taxes for teacher salaries, but no more than they themselves are. I agree with you about holding criticism until she walks a mile in your shoes, but isn't that what is being done of teachers? Everyone criticizes before they know what teachers go through on a daily basis. Go back and read these posts. Teaching is not a job anyone off the streets can do. Yet if you believed some of these posts you would assume it to be.
My 2 cents

Knoxville, TN

#398 Jul 20, 2014
I have never said teaching is easy. I'm glad I chose not to teach, after tutoring at college level and seeing the apathy in some students. It's incredible. Some students wanted to know how I made A's, but then one pointed out, "well, you do go to class." Others thought I should just hand over my notes when they chose to skip class, and some asked flat-out to help them cheat on exams.

I fortunately had many outstanding teachers myself, and I know many teachers who go beyond what is required. However, the media still report that teachers are having sex with students, looking at porn in the classroom, drinking or taking drugs on the job, and forging test scores. Obviously not all teachers fall in that category, but not all teachers are saints. There are good and bad in every profession.

I still maintain that nothing will change until we decide to do something about the erosion of the family unit, and multiple generations depending on government handouts. Our local and federal governments are not only broke, but deeply in debt. Obviously what we are doing now is not working.
Kat

Johnson City, TN

#399 Jul 20, 2014
My 2 cents wrote:
I have never said teaching is easy. I'm glad I chose not to teach, after tutoring at college level and seeing the apathy in some students. It's incredible. Some students wanted to know how I made A's, but then one pointed out, "well, you do go to class." Others thought I should just hand over my notes when they chose to skip class, and some asked flat-out to help them cheat on exams.
I fortunately had many outstanding teachers myself, and I know many teachers who go beyond what is required. However, the media still report that teachers are having sex with students, looking at porn in the classroom, drinking or taking drugs on the job, and forging test scores. Obviously not all teachers fall in that category, but not all teachers are saints. There are good and bad in every profession.
I still maintain that nothing will change until we decide to do something about the erosion of the family unit, and multiple generations depending on government handouts. Our local and federal governments are not only broke, but deeply in debt. Obviously what we are doing now is not working.
I also wanted to be a teacher at one point. I don't think I could stomach working as hard as I know some of them do only to be met with some of the disrespect from parents and students. I don't think I would have the patience. You hit the nail on the head the the erosion of the family unit and generational poverty being the culprit here. Also it seems that everyone wants something for free. I took some classes at Tusculum and was suprised at the number of students who were texting on cell phones or on facebook during class. I felt that I was paying hard earned money to take this class, so I wanted to get something out of it.

Everyone is looking for shortcuts. I recall growing up my grandparents preached the value of hard work to me. My grandfather refused to take something for nothing. He always told me that someone, somewhere was paying for what we took for free. My grandparents weren't rich by any means, but it didn't bother them to pay for any goods or services they used. I don't mind paying for necessities with my tax dollars such as police protection, education, and such. In fact I see this as doing my part for my community. I prefer to live in a community with a good education system and strong police force, among other things. This is how you attract businesses. And businesses bring in more tax dollars. It's all reciprocal.

I do agree though, that our government should be good stewards of our money, and accountability is good for everyone. But when we hold others accountable, we first need to make sure that we are also holding up our end of the bargain. And I don't believe in using a test to hold teachers accountable when there are too many factors that influence the scores of the test that teachers have no control over. Two of my children consistently scored nonproficient, and I know it was through no fault of their teachers. To be honest, I don't think their score was an accurate reflection of their abilities. Their disabilities influenced their score on the test much more than the effort of their teachers. If the test simply scored the effort and time their teachers put in to helping them, they would have scored advanced. Many times it's the students that the teachers work hardest with that score the lowest.
all broke

Greeneville, TN

#400 Jul 20, 2014
My 2 cents wrote:
I have never said teaching is easy. I'm glad I chose not to teach, after tutoring at college level and seeing the apathy in some students. It's incredible. Some students wanted to know how I made A's, but then one pointed out, "well, you do go to class." Others thought I should just hand over my notes when they chose to skip class, and some asked flat-out to help them cheat on exams.
I fortunately had many outstanding teachers myself, and I know many teachers who go beyond what is required. However, the media still report that teachers are having sex with students, looking at porn in the classroom, drinking or taking drugs on the job, and forging test scores. Obviously not all teachers fall in that category, but not all teachers are saints. There are good and bad in every profession.
I still maintain that nothing will change until we decide to do something about the erosion of the family unit, and multiple generations depending on government handouts. Our local and federal governments are not only broke, but deeply in debt. Obviously what we are doing now is not working.
We are all broke right now, thus we have no more tax money to give teachers or anyone else.
all broke

Greeneville, TN

#401 Jul 20, 2014
Kat wrote:
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I also wanted to be a teacher at one point. I don't think I could stomach working as hard as I know some of them do only to be met with some of the disrespect from parents and students. I don't think I would have the patience. You hit the nail on the head the the erosion of the family unit and generational poverty being the culprit here. Also it seems that everyone wants something for free. I took some classes at Tusculum and was suprised at the number of students who were texting on cell phones or on facebook during class. I felt that I was paying hard earned money to take this class, so I wanted to get something out of it.
Everyone is looking for shortcuts. I recall growing up my grandparents preached the value of hard work to me. My grandfather refused to take something for nothing. He always told me that someone, somewhere was paying for what we took for free. My grandparents weren't rich by any means, but it didn't bother them to pay for any goods or services they used. I don't mind paying for necessities with my tax dollars such as police protection, education, and such. In fact I see this as doing my part for my community. I prefer to live in a community with a good education system and strong police force, among other things. This is how you attract businesses. And businesses bring in more tax dollars. It's all reciprocal.
I do agree though, that our government should be good stewards of our money, and accountability is good for everyone. But when we hold others accountable, we first need to make sure that we are also holding up our end of the bargain. And I don't believe in using a test to hold teachers accountable when there are too many factors that influence the scores of the test that teachers have no control over. Two of my children consistently scored nonproficient, and I know it was through no fault of their teachers. To be honest, I don't think their score was an accurate reflection of their abilities. Their disabilities influenced their score on the test much more than the effort of their teachers. If the test simply scored the effort and time their teachers put in to helping them, they would have scored advanced. Many times it's the students that the teachers work hardest with that score the lowest.
You are what my Daddy use to call a rambler. You ramble and ramble but when it is all said and done you haven't said a thing. I use to think that families who homeschooled were a little odd but with the direction public schools are taking, I believe homeschoolers probably saw the writing on the wall coming a long time ago. From your ramblings it would seem that teachers have next to no influence on the success of education and the testing that goes along with it. So tell me why should we even send our kids to public school? At least at home we wouldn't have to worry about favoritism, ill-prepared teachers, mean teachers, flirty teachers who text the young students, government indoctrination, bullies, being exposed to countless diseases from illegals and a host of other public hazards.
Banjo Knees

Greer, SC

#402 Jul 20, 2014
all broke wrote:
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You are what my Daddy use to call a rambler. You ramble and ramble but when it is all said and done you haven't said a thing. I use to think that families who homeschooled were a little odd but with the direction public schools are taking, I believe homeschoolers probably saw the writing on the wall coming a long time ago. From your ramblings it would seem that teachers have next to no influence on the success of education and the testing that goes along with it. So tell me why should we even send our kids to public school? At least at home we wouldn't have to worry about favoritism, ill-prepared teachers, mean teachers, flirty teachers who text the young students, government indoctrination, bullies, being exposed to countless diseases from illegals and a host of other public hazards.
It looks like you would be doing all a favor if you chose to home school. All except your own kids. You have your mind made up about teachers. If you that sounds like ramblings to you maybe you have bigger problems than whether or not to home school. Maybe you need some tutoring yourself.
Banjo Knees

Greer, SC

#403 Jul 20, 2014
all broke wrote:
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We are all broke right now, thus we have no more tax money to give teachers or anyone else.
Looks like you are going to have to move because from what I've been reading they are going to have to raise taxes again. Contrary to what you might believe a town can't run itself. People won't continue to work for peanuts. When you live in a county with one of the lowest tax rates in the state, and are having budget problems, its not hard to put two and two together.
uneducated

Greeneville, TN

#404 Jul 20, 2014
Banjo Knees wrote:
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Looks like you are going to have to move because from what I've been reading they are going to have to raise taxes again. Contrary to what you might believe a town can't run itself. People won't continue to work for peanuts. When you live in a county with one of the lowest tax rates in the state, and are having budget problems, its not hard to put two and two together.
Well thanks to old woman Kirk for a tax increase just a while back, I don't think the people are going to stand still so soon for another one. A town also can't survive when some offices are obviously overstaffed. I feel sorry for those hired when there was no need. These department heads need to quit hiring friends and family, then they wouldn't be in a position to have to fire someone. Lowest tax rates? You are surely so uneducated.
uneducated

Greeneville, TN

#405 Jul 20, 2014
all broke wrote:
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You are what my Daddy use to call a rambler. You ramble and ramble but when it is all said and done you haven't said a thing. I use to think that families who homeschooled were a little odd but with the direction public schools are taking, I believe homeschoolers probably saw the writing on the wall coming a long time ago. From your ramblings it would seem that teachers have next to no influence on the success of education and the testing that goes along with it. So tell me why should we even send our kids to public school? At least at home we wouldn't have to worry about favoritism, ill-prepared teachers, mean teachers, flirty teachers who text the young students, government indoctrination, bullies, being exposed to countless diseases from illegals and a host of other public hazards.
It is so sad that the last line of your post is happening in so many of our public schools. It really is true.
Kat

Johnson City, TN

#406 Jul 20, 2014
all broke wrote:
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You are what my Daddy use to call a rambler. You ramble and ramble but when it is all said and done you haven't said a thing. I use to think that families who homeschooled were a little odd but with the direction public schools are taking, I believe homeschoolers probably saw the writing on the wall coming a long time ago. From your ramblings it would seem that teachers have next to no influence on the success of education and the testing that goes along with it. So tell me why should we even send our kids to public school? At least at home we wouldn't have to worry about favoritism, ill-prepared teachers, mean teachers, flirty teachers who text the young students, government indoctrination, bullies, being exposed to countless diseases from illegals and a host of other public hazards.
Oh my! Is that what your daddy would call me? Well it's a good thing your daddy's opinion doesn't mean a hill of beans to me, doesn't it? I have never thought home school families were any odder than any other families. How judgmental can you be? The decision to home school is a personal decision that each family must make. You obviously have not read my posts if you think I feel that teachers have next to no influence on the success of education. They have a tremendous influence. What I said was that the tool we used to measure this influence is not effective. Your last sentence hints at paranoia. My children went to public schools and I never once worried about any of these things. Not once. My children may have experienced favoritism occasionally, but what a good opportunity for a life's lesson that you won't always be the favorite. When my children came home telling me about "mean teachers" (and this did happen a lot) I listened to their side of the story and phoned the teacher to hear the rest of the story. Most of the time I hadn't heard all of the story. We never once encountered flirty teachers who texted students. I have heard stories that it happened a few years ago in the city school system, but I would hope that I raised my child well enough that this wouldn't be an issue. As far as bullies, they have always been there and will always be there. And trust me, home schooled kids are bullied probably even more. You can't hide them forever in your home. They will encounter a bully at some point. We dealt with some of those, but my children are probably better off for the experience. It's all in how you parent. Government indoctrination? Teach your children how to think for themselves. Allow them to consider other viewpoints. It will either strengthen their own, or perhaps their viewpoints need to be changed. I never feared government indoctrination. At one time I considered home schooling, but at this point I feel public schools were the best thing for our family, even for my children who suffered with disabilities. I didn't fight their battles for them, but taught them how to fight their own. Trust me, school is not a happy place for a child with dyslexia or a child with ADHD. And teachers do not always fully understand these disabilities. In fact dyslexia isn't even considered a disability in the state of Tennessee. Their disabilities are actuallly a blessing. They know the value of hard work. They don't expect anything for nothing. My children are not perfect kids, and have gotten in their share of trouble at school. But 99% of the time I support the teacher. Whew! How's that for rambling!
Banjo Knees

Greer, SC

#407 Jul 20, 2014
uneducated wrote:
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Well thanks to old woman Kirk for a tax increase just a while back, I don't think the people are going to stand still so soon for another one. A town also can't survive when some offices are obviously overstaffed. I feel sorry for those hired when there was no need. These department heads need to quit hiring friends and family, then they wouldn't be in a position to have to fire someone. Lowest tax rates? You are surely so uneducated.
This link lists the 2013 Tennessee property tax rates by county. Greene is listed as $1.8731. Count the counties with a lower rate. Good news is that you probably won't even have to take off your shoes for this. Here is another site but the figures are before the increase. It doesn't make much difference though since many other counties had an increase, some as much as .50.
www.teateachers.org/sites/default/files/prope...

www.comptroller.tn.gov/pa/PrintLR.asp...
Banjo Knees

Greer, SC

#408 Jul 20, 2014
uneducated wrote:
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It is so sad that the last line of your post is happening in so many of our public schools. It really is true.
uneducated is surely a good name for you.
Bush W Illegals

Johnson City, TN

#409 Jul 21, 2014
They pay taxes so they deserve a education and a chance to become a Bush family nanny . You rich then why not low wages and your GOP voting habits ?
bring it on

Greeneville, TN

#410 Jul 21, 2014
Bush W Illegals wrote:
They pay taxes so they deserve a education and a chance to become a Bush family nanny . You rich then why not low wages and your GOP voting habits ?
Bless your ignorant heart, you have the wrong presidento. I can't wait until we are all poor then all you sorry free loaders will have to get out and work if you want to eat. No more free loading from the wealthy. We will all be the same and we will all have to work. Bring it on because I am tired of giving half my check to free loaders.
house payment

Bristol, TN

#411 Jul 29, 2014
Banjo Knees wrote:
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This link lists the 2013 Tennessee property tax rates by county. Greene is listed as $1.8731. Count the counties with a lower rate. Good news is that you probably won't even have to take off your shoes for this. Here is another site but the figures are before the increase. It doesn't make much difference though since many other counties had an increase, some as much as .50.
www.teateachers.org/sites/default/files/prope...
www.comptroller.tn.gov/pa/PrintLR.asp...
site, site, site, site, site, site! I just got my house payment this month. Due to Dr. Kirk's tax increase on land owners, my house payment went up by $10 a month. I double-checked with my loan company to see if my house insurance had anything to do with this and it was just my land taxes. I don't need a web "site" to know who raised my house payment!

Thanks Dr. Kirk for seeing to it that teachers got a pay increase, more benefits paid by the taxpayers and any other "extras" you think they deserve on the backs of the taxpayers! How do you people sleep at night?
Crazy

Jonesborough, TN

#412 Jul 29, 2014
Banjo Knees wrote:
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This link lists the 2013 Tennessee property tax rates by county. Greene is listed as $1.8731. Count the counties with a lower rate. Good news is that you probably won't even have to take off your shoes for this. Here is another site but the figures are before the increase. It doesn't make much difference though since many other counties had an increase, some as much as .50.
www.teateachers.org/sites/default/files/prope...
www.comptroller.tn.gov/pa/PrintLR.asp...
Who do you or anyone else think you are to say that property owners in this county need to pay more taxes so you or any other person should get paid more? Tired of it!!!! Only about 29% of people own property. When you so easily say GC's taxes are lower, you leave out all kinds of other stats( that's another topic for another day). That means that approx. 60.% of the people in this county do not pay increased property taxes. 30% of the people are carrying most of this county, they're real individual people that have bills just like the rest of those that don't get a tax increase shoved down their throat. Look at the unemployment rate in this county. We are a poor county. So many of us haven't had a raise in so long; you need to live in the real world. You can volunteer to take money out of your own pocket all day long, leave mine alone.........
Banjo Knees

Charlotte, NC

#413 Jul 30, 2014
Crazy wrote:
<quoted text>Who do you or anyone else think you are to say that property owners in this county need to pay more taxes so you or any other person should get paid more? Tired of it!!!! Only about 29% of people own property. When you so easily say GC's taxes are lower, you leave out all kinds of other stats( that's another topic for another day). That means that approx. 60.% of the people in this county do not pay increased property taxes. 30% of the people are carrying most of this county, they're real individual people that have bills just like the rest of those that don't get a tax increase shoved down their throat. Look at the unemployment rate in this county. We are a poor county. So many of us haven't had a raise in so long; you need to live in the real world. You can volunteer to take money out of your own pocket all day long, leave mine alone.........
You know the old saying...if you think funding education is expensive, try not funding it. You are correct, the property owners are having to carry the non property owners. This is precisely why I voted for the wheel tax. I was hit hard also. From what I am reading another tax hike is inevitable. Although I don't want to see my taxes go up again, I realize these services we receive don't come free.
Crazy

Jonesborough, TN

#414 Jul 30, 2014
Banjo Knees wrote:
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You know the old saying...if you think funding education is expensive, try not funding it. You are correct, the property owners are having to carry the non property owners. This is precisely why I voted for the wheel tax. I was hit hard also. From what I am reading another tax hike is inevitable. Although I don't want to see my taxes go up again, I realize these services we receive don't come free.
Obviously the services we receive aren't and haven't been free. It seems from the reporting, that the problem is with where those tax dollars have been going. No one seems to know how we got in this mess again. That's the issue I have, where has all this money gone? At my house you can't spend more than you have. That's the way our elected officials are supposed to budget too. You can continue to pay all the taxes you want to with no questions asked. But most of us don't have the luxury of being able to do that.
Banjo Knees

Charlotte, NC

#415 Jul 30, 2014
Crazy wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously the services we receive aren't and haven't been free. It seems from the reporting, that the problem is with where those tax dollars have been going. No one seems to know how we got in this mess again. That's the issue I have, where has all this money gone? At my house you can't spend more than you have. That's the way our elected officials are supposed to budget too. You can continue to pay all the taxes you want to with no questions asked. But most of us don't have the luxury of being able to do that.
I think how we got in this mess is obvious. We fund these services through tax dollars. With the recession there has been less spending which means less money to fund those services. Add to that the fact that many choose to go to other towns to shop. We are basically funding their schools, police, etc. when we do that. We can't seem to attract any new businesses or industries. This is where our money has gone. we have been dipping into our reserves just to pay for what we have had in the past. Now we have to make the decision to raise taxes or cut services, or both. If you don't want your taxes raised, what services are you willing to do without? They are talking about closing some of the convenience centers, or cutting their hours back. Many families who live in the county depend on those centers. They will have to drive farther to dump their trash. Some of the county offices may only be open four days a week instead of five, which means waits will be longer. Once we give up these services it will be harder to get them back. Not to mention families depend on those jobs. Can you imagine having to take a 20% cut in pay?
Crazy

Jonesborough, TN

#416 Jul 30, 2014
Banjo Knees wrote:
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I think how we got in this mess is obvious. We fund these services through tax dollars. With the recession there has been less spending which means less money to fund those services. Add to that the fact that many choose to go to other towns to shop. We are basically funding their schools, police, etc. when we do that. We can't seem to attract any new businesses or industries. This is where our money has gone. we have been dipping into our reserves just to pay for what we have had in the past. Now we have to make the decision to raise taxes or cut services, or both. If you don't want your taxes raised, what services are you willing to do without? They are talking about closing some of the convenience centers, or cutting their hours back. Many families who live in the county depend on those centers. They will have to drive farther to dump their trash. Some of the county offices may only be open four days a week instead of five, which means waits will be longer. Once we give up these services it will be harder to get them back. Not to mention families depend on those jobs. Can you imagine having to take a 20% cut in pay?
There are people in jobs out here that have had their pay cut, and insurance costs increased. Private jobs work that way. If the money isn't there for raises or paying the insurance increases for employees the employee has to live without the raise and pay the increased insurance costs. This has been going on since the recession. There is no way to force anyone to pay those increases via a tax increase on people who have to live on what they get whether they like it or not. It's just wrong, and selfish to think that any group of people think their job is more important than any one else's. Everyone should have to share tightening the belt. I can go with standing in line longer or waiting another day to take the trash to the dump. It would be interesting to look at the benefits of the government employees and see if that is part of the problem with the budget in the county. There are quite a few articles about how expensive public sector benefits are. Look at the Post a Office for example.......

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