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Just Curious wrote:
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First I would like to state that the Tea Party is not taking it out on me. I stand with them 100%. As far as the government shutdown is concerned, while no one seemed to want it, the more I learn about it the more I like it. They are only shutting down "non-essential" services. This means services that are not deemed essential. We are almost 17 trillion dollars in debt. This seems like a smart move, maybe something we should have done years ago!!
Greeneville Goblin, I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way, I don't mean to be rude or condescending. I was just curious about the quoted comment mixed with your comments you made right below it. In the comment right below the one I replied to it sounds as though you are against the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.
Here's a cliff-note version of what has happened over the past few days. The House of Representatives (controlled by republicans) passed a bill that would fully fund the government with the exception of Obamacare. The senate (controlled by democrats) then removed the exception and sent it back. The House then sent a bill fully funding government with a 1 year delay on Obamacare's individual mandate (corporations have already been given a one year delay on their mandate.) The senate rejected. Today the senate has refused a request by the house to go to conference to resolve the issue.
Anyway I can completely understand how someone could lay equal blame across all parties (probably the unbiased thing to do.) I could even see if you really loved Obamacare placing the blame on the republicans (the reverse is true if you hate Obamacare.) What I can't understand, is why someone who thinks Obamacare is a big mistake could come to the conclusion that the majority of the blame should land on the Tea Party. My question to you is why are you laying the majority of the blame on the people trying to stop a law, which it sounded like you thought was bad, from taking effect?
Obamacare is the law of the land...period. If Republicans are so concerned about affordable health care, why didn't they create a plan of their own when they controlled both houses and the presidency? They could have pushed their plan through but they didn't have one nor did they care enough to create one. They're accomplishing nothing now but shooting themselves in the foot for future elections.

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I hate Libras wrote:
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Obamacare is the law of the land...period. If Republicans are so concerned about affordable health care, why didn't they create a plan of their own when they controlled both houses and the presidency? They could have pushed their plan through but they didn't have one nor did they care enough to create one. They're accomplishing nothing now but shooting themselves in the foot for future elections.
Hard to find myself saying this, but I agree with you. It is ridiculous for the Republican party to be so outraged that they refuse to work. They do not have a healthcare plan to offer, yet criticize the one on the table.
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No No wrote:
<quoted text>Don't forget that it was republicans Reagan and Bushes who started this deficit spending spiral we now have. It was Democrats and Kennedy who ran the least deficits in recent history. Check the facts.
It seems that YOU need to check the facts. Obama has ran up more debt in 6 years than EVERY President before him combined. Those are the facts.
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The last time there was a budget standoff in Congress that nearly caused the government to shut down, it was because the Tea Party patriots refused to raise the debt ceiling in order to cover payback of debts already incurred (Afghanistan and Iraq).
Payment of these past debts had nothing to do with funding Obamacare, but the Tea Party patriots thought it would be a great idea to link Obamacare to our debt and have a showdown.
Nevermind that Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times during his presidency. Reagan is Republican Jesus, a true American that all Tea Party patriots worship.
But obama, he is a black devil. We will teach him a lesson.
So the Tea Party patriots decided it would be a great idea to default on our war debt, that will show Obama. The US will default on our debts because that is exactly what limited government and fiscal responsibility is all about.
The net result was that the US credit rating goes in the toilet because it looks like Americans are a bunch of nitwits on an elementary school playground.
I wish I could operate my household budget the same way the Tea Party patriots operate. If I don't want to pay for my house or car, I just omit those things from my budget, refuse to pay for them, and shut myself down. And then when the bank tries to foreclose, I blame the bank. Because I am a fiscal conservative and I believe in personal responsibility.
Maybe you could run your household like the democrats and spend more money than you could possibly ever pay back.
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I hate Libras wrote:
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Obamacare is the law of the land...period. If Republicans are so concerned about affordable health care, why didn't they create a plan of their own when they controlled both houses and the presidency? They could have pushed their plan through but they didn't have one nor did they care enough to create one. They're accomplishing nothing now but shooting themselves in the foot for future elections.
So if that is in fact true, you'll support a healthcare bill that Congress and many other large organizations are exempt from? Further, ObamaCare is a job killer. It forces companies to hack jobs from full-time to part-time. Insurance costs are already skyrocketing, insurance companies are leaving several markets and there is evidence quality of care will deteriorate. You still support the bill. A bill that Pelosi said we'd have to pass it to fully understand it. I can assure you that absolutely none of the members of Congress who voted for the bill read the 2000+ pages of it.
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Oct 2, 2013
 
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So if that is in fact true, you'll support a healthcare bill that Congress and many other large organizations are exempt from? Further, ObamaCare is a job killer. It forces companies to hack jobs from full-time to part-time. Insurance costs are already skyrocketing, insurance companies are leaving several markets and there is evidence quality of care will deteriorate. You still support the bill. A bill that Pelosi said we'd have to pass it to fully understand it. I can assure you that absolutely none of the members of Congress who voted for the bill read the 2000+ pages of it.
Just a correction to the number of pages surrounding the ACA:

Since March 2010, when President Barack Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) and its companion Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (HCERA), the administration has published in the Federal Register 109 final regulations governing how Obamacare will be implemented. These regulations add up to 10,516 pages.
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Hmmmm wrote:
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So if that is in fact true, you'll support a healthcare bill that Congress and many other large organizations are exempt from? Further, ObamaCare is a job killer. It forces companies to hack jobs from full-time to part-time. Insurance costs are already skyrocketing, insurance companies are leaving several markets and there is evidence quality of care will deteriorate. You still support the bill. A bill that Pelosi said we'd have to pass it to fully understand it. I can assure you that absolutely none of the members of Congress who voted for the bill read the 2000+ pages of it.
I didn't say I agree with the plan in it's current form, I said it's the law. Like ANYTHING new, it will have to be tweaked and modified into something workable but at least a first step has been taken. Yes, I watch Fox and listen to Rush (and CNN and MSNBC and Drudge and Huffington...) too but I'm stating what "I" think. You see, I'm neither Republican or Democrat, I just call them as I see them. And yes, Pelosi put her foot in her mouth big time but that sound bite has been played to death already. I still think this will come back and haunt the Republican party come election time though.
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Jar Head wrote:
<quoted text> It seems that YOU need to check the facts. Obama has ran up more debt in 6 years than EVERY President before him combined. Those are the facts.
This isn't true. Obama had no choice but to add the debt of not one but two wars to the books which Bush didn't do. This jacked up the debt by trillions and the cost of the wars Obama didn't start are still coming in. Otherwise, per the Republicans themselves who are the ones running Congress and are IN control of the how much the Government spends, have stated that the spending is declining.
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"Like the last time the Republican Party pulled this crap, this government shutdown is all about right wingers having a hissy fit nothing more.

If you read the news at all, then you keep reading that “Congress” couldn’t “reach a deal,” or that “Washington” is somehow irretrievably “broken.” That’s a cop-out from a press corps that is increasingly useless. This isn’t about Congress or Washington, it’s about the current incarnation of the Republican Party. No one else. This is not a combined effort; it’s all on the one political party that doesn’t believe government can work, setting out to prove it.

This is about a continuing resolution. A continuing resolution is a bill that simply continues to fund the government for a period of time at previous levels. You should know what they are, because we have been living under them for five years. Perhaps you’ve heard, but our government hasn’t operated under a budget for about four years (this will mark the fifth). It’s not because President Obama doesn’t submit one; he does. He submits one every year. He submitted his late this year, and Republicans castigated him for it. Yet, here it is, the first day of fiscal year 2014, and they haven’t even considered it or debated it yet. See the problem? Republicans complain about everything, and do nothing."
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Oct 2, 2013
 
When Obama was a Senator Obama he voted not to raise the debt limit calling it irresponsible and unamerican, now he's saying the same thing about not raising the debt limit. And all you liberals thinks he's so full of truth, boy are you stupid.
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Oct 2, 2013
 
Check out the premiums of other states the cheapiest in some are 280.00 a month. employeers of some bussiness will have to cut work hours down to 20-29hrs week just to cover onsite insurance policies.
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Soul Man wrote:
When Obama was a Senator Obama he voted not to raise the debt limit calling it irresponsible and unamerican, now he's saying the same thing about not raising the debt limit. And all you liberals thinks he's so full of truth, boy are you stupid.
. I agree with mike hick aver. Let them fully implement and run obamacare for 1 year. We will owe everyone an apology or the republicans will win the senate in a landslide. Sounds good to me
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Were all screwed wrote:
Check out the premiums of other states the cheapiest in some are 280.00 a month. employeers of some bussiness will have to cut work hours down to 20-29hrs week just to cover onsite insurance policies.
Virtually every health plan will be different dependent on your individual circumstances. Please don't drink the Kool-Aid.
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Soul Man wrote:
When Obama was a Senator Obama he voted not to raise the debt limit calling it irresponsible and unamerican, now he's saying the same thing about not raising the debt limit. And all you liberals thinks he's so full of truth, boy are you stupid.
If you haven't noticed, EVERY person running for President makes promises they find they can't keep because of all the red tape in DC and because of situations like we have now where the other party is trying to stop you no matter what. Even if it means shutting the Government down and hurting hundreds of thousands of people which is the most assinine thing I have ever heard of. The Republicans have screwed themselves and their party beyond belief! You will never see another Republican President and doubtful another Republican Congress or Senate. The American People have has enough!@!
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"The continuing resolution is a boilerplate bill that authorizes the federal government to spend money at last year’s levels, which are essentially 2009 levels, since Republicans have forced the government to live on 2009 spending levels since 2010. Without the CR, the government can’t spend any money, and they have to shut down. It’s not because there is no money in the Treasury. There is plenty of money. It’s because Congress, led by Republicans, won’t give them authorization.

Government shutdowns are more common in our history than you think – since 1976, this is the18th. But most government shutdowns were the result of broken-down budget negotiations, or delays in passing a budget on time. Even the 1995 shutdowns (there were actually two) had something to do with budget negotiations, although most of the problem had to do with Newt Gingrich’s ego. This seems to be the first time the government has been shut down in order to kill a law a political party doesn’t like. There is no spending issue here. There is no debt issue here. The reason Republicans are holding the government hostage is because they don’t want the working poor to have access to affordable health care, especially since it’s largely being paid for through a tax hike on the rich. They are also eager to kill it because they know it will work. It’s already working. Health care prices have stabilized already, and the law is just now ready to kick in. It’s not about being “fiscally responsible,” it’s about being petulant children, holding their breath until they get their pony. Or unicorn."
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In the know wrote:
<quoted text>. I agree with mike hick aver. Let them fully implement and run obamacare for 1 year. We will owe everyone an apology or the republicans will win the senate in a landslide. Sounds good to me
Every person running for President makes promises they can't keep because once they get there they run into all the red tape and stupid stunts like we are having now. I doubt you will EVER see another Republican President. And all the Republicans idiots that are wasting mine and your money in Congress are going to be voted out and will probably never have the mojority again. At least not in this decade.
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"What everyone out there needs to know is, no matter what Republicans do, no matter how long they leave the government shut down, the Affordable Care Act exists, and it’s not going anywhere. It is simply not possible to stop the law, no matter what you do, until January 20, 2017, and only if a Republican wins the presidency and both houses of Congress.

And the longer the government stays on furlough, the worse it will be for the Republican Party. Consider; while the government is shut down and people who depend on government services are being left high and dry, everyone will be signing up for the Affordable Care Act Exchanges, and realizing they have choices and premiums that are much lower than they’ve been paying. And they will be realizing that the Republican Party is doing everything they’re doing just to kill it. That won’t sit well with anyone, except perhaps Teabaggers. And why should anyone care about them?"
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"Democrats did NOT shut down the government. The Senate stayed in session all night, and were fully prepared to pass a continuing resolution without any baggage, and House Republicans refused to deliver one. But more than that, the ACA is more than three-and-a-half years old, and you’ve had more than enough time to discuss its alleged failures. In three years, your House has yet to discuss amending the law, or debate it on its merits. No altenative plan has been presented. Last night was not the time to have a “discussion.” And you certainly don’t shut down the government because you keep making up your own rules and Democrats refuse to play by them.

The most truthful statement about the shutdown was given by none other than Michele Bachmann. She may be crazy, but she actually stated exactly what all of this was about:

“We’re very excited. It’s exactly what we wanted, and we got it.”

Exactly."
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Actually wrote:
"Like the last time the Republican Party pulled this crap, this government shutdown is all about right wingers having a hissy fit nothing more.
If you read the news at all, then you keep reading that “Congress” couldn’t “reach a deal,” or that “Washington” is somehow irretrievably “broken.” That’s a cop-out from a press corps that is increasingly useless. This isn’t about Congress or Washington, it’s about the current incarnation of the Republican Party. No one else. This is not a combined effort; it’s all on the one political party that doesn’t believe government can work, setting out to prove it.
This is about a continuing resolution. A continuing resolution is a bill that simply continues to fund the government for a period of time at previous levels. You should know what they are, because we have been living under them for five years. Perhaps you’ve heard, but our government hasn’t operated under a budget for about four years (this will mark the fifth). It’s not because President Obama doesn’t submit one; he does. He submits one every year. He submitted his late this year, and Republicans castigated him for it. Yet, here it is, the first day of fiscal year 2014, and they haven’t even considered it or debated it yet. See the problem? Republicans complain about everything, and do nothing."
Yes I am well aware that we have not had a budget in 4 years. This also includes those 2 years when the Democrats controlled the House and even had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. I will also give you that Obama does submit a budget every year. The sad part is that the last two budgets that he has submitted have been so horrible that they have been unanimously voted down in both the House and the Senate. He couldn't even get one Democrat to vote for either of them. One thing that you seem to be missing though is the fact that since the Republicans took over the House they have submitted and passed a budget every year. They first passed a bill dealing with the current situation back in March. The issue is every time they pass a budget the Senate either votes it down or just flat out refuses to vote on it. So you are wrong that this is just a republican problem, it is two completely different view points that can't find middle ground. I'm all for defunding Obamacare so I support the Republicans in this venture, but just trying to be neutral I think the blame for the shutdown should be equally spread.
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Actually wrote:
<quoted text> If you haven't noticed, EVERY person running for President makes promises they find they can't keep because of all the red tape in DC and because of situations like we have now where the other party is trying to stop you no matter what. Even if it means shutting the Government down and hurting hundreds of thousands of people which is the most assinine thing I have ever heard of. The Republicans have screwed themselves and their party beyond belief! You will never see another Republican President and doubtful another Republican Congress or Senate. The American People have has enough!@!
The person you replied to said nothing about a promise. He was talking about an actual vote that, then Senator Obama, cast. He went on a rant on the Senate floor about how raising the debt ceiling showed a lack of leadership and hurt the US because of dependence on other countries to loan us money to pay our bills. It is one of the very few times that I have ever agreed with him. You should look the full speech up yourself.

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