why do ford diesels suck so bad

why do ford diesels suck so bad

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FED UP

Smyrna, TN

#1 Oct 14, 2010
I own a 2004 psd and have had nothing but probs,also owned 95,99,and a 2001.All junk.If it wasnt cam sensors it was the glow plugs,and on the 04 hell the heads blew off TWICE.I love the truck but hate the motors,i wish someone could put me a cummins in,you never hear theose things breaking down...HELP!!!!
fallsboy

Brentwood, TN

#2 Oct 14, 2010
you must have bought some used junk that wasnt cared for, , ford power stroke diesels are the same engine navisstar international builds for big trucks. owed my share,all bought new and never had any problems, as for dodge cummins diesel, it is a good motor too, but if you buy a diesel the average person doesnt take care of it and they arent like a gas motor, a diesel has to be cared for if you want it to last
Scrounger

Hendersonville, TN

#3 Oct 14, 2010
FED UP wrote:
I own a 2004 psd and have had nothing but probs,also owned 95,99,and a 2001.All junk.If it wasnt cam sensors it was the glow plugs,and on the 04 hell the heads blew off TWICE.I love the truck but hate the motors,i wish someone could put me a cummins in,you never hear theose things breaking down...HELP!!!!
The 04's were the 6 litres and they had plenty of problems,but if you'll do a EGR delete and new head gaskets w head studs they are pretty good engines.My 7.3 has almost 400K and has been a very good truck.The camshaft sensors do go bad,mines had two,but if you consider the conditions they operate in it's a wonder they last as long as they do.
The Commander

Johnson City, TN

#4 Oct 14, 2010
Fallsboy, I believe your a bit mistaken on this one. The 6.0 motor came out in late 2003 and was used till 2007. It was a new design over the old 7.3 to meet tightening emission standards. On paper it was supposed to be great and actually produced more power and torque than the 7.3.
Then reality set in. Headbolts, egr coolers, injector problems, and the first 6.0's even had bad computer programs. These issues plagued these engines so bad, that Ford and Navistar actually got into a lawsuit over warranty claims and who would be responsible. This slowed production of the 6.4 motor for 2008. Now that time has passed, you can get fixes for these motors however, if they are out of warranty, they are extremely expensive. To do the headbolts, you have to remove the cab to get to the engine. I know this for a fact because I had an 05'dually that started to crap out on my way back from Colorado. Thank god the truck was still under warranty and I had a buddy at Ramey Ford. It had 78,00mi. on it
Another prob. with the 6.0 trucks was trade in value due to the reputation of failure. This actually made the 7.3 trucks go up in value. Again, I know this because I tried to trade my truck several times and nobody seemed to be interested in doing business with me because of the 6.0 reputation.
The ultimate truck? Ford Super Duty with Cummins power and Allison auto. It would never break! Heck, V10 power ain't too bad either.
Life is Great

Murfreesboro, TN

#5 Oct 14, 2010
My 99 has only got 83,000 on it. Already replaced the power steering hoses, brack lines, water pump and starter and it is gut less.

My 95 Dodge had 380,000 and only had to rebuild the tranny. It had more power than this 7.3 Ford and better gas mileage.

Next one will be another Dodge
Hey

Gallatin, TN

#6 Oct 14, 2010
Life is Great wrote:
My 99 has only got 83,000 on it. Already replaced the power steering hoses, brack lines, water pump and starter and it is gut less.
My 95 Dodge had 380,000 and only had to rebuild the tranny. It had more power than this 7.3 Ford and better gas mileage.
Next one will be another Dodge
It's 11 years old, soon to be 12. I don't think I'd be complaining if that's all I had to fix on it. If you want more power throw a mild chip in it. You will be amazed.
mechanic

Smyrna, TN

#7 Oct 14, 2010
yes all the ford/navistar engines suck point blank.Ford did sue the pants off navistar,and they turned around and counter sued.Now ford has designed their own engine a 6.7 litre (go figure)the same cubic in as cummins.The clincher is the urea injection YES now the fords and chevys have TWO tanks to fill up,one for emissions and one for fuel.Run out of urea on a trip,or a long haul....and sit on your ass till monday when a dealer opens GEINUS PURE GEINUS.I look for the used car lots to be full of these in the next year,as the people will bet their belley full of this urea crap.
The old man from ago

Hendersonville, TN

#8 Oct 14, 2010
I had 2 dodges at the same time 1995 3500 dulley 80000 miles had to replace complete front end could not keep brakes on it motor was great so i had my first and last one at the same time. I sold it and bought a 2000 f350 dully never been sorry it has 7,3 has 189000 miles still doing a good job.
Scrounger

Hendersonville, TN

#9 Oct 14, 2010
The Commander wrote:
Another prob. with the 6.0 trucks was trade in value due to the reputation of failure. This actually made the 7.3 trucks go up in value. Again, I know this because I tried to trade my truck several times and nobody seemed to be interested in doing business with me because of the 6.0 reputation.
The ultimate truck? Ford Super Duty with Cummins power and Allison auto. It would never break! Heck, V10 power ain't too bad either.
You can go to autotrader.com and look at PSD's and you can tell by the price which ones have a 6 liter in em.They will have 1/2 the mileage and be 1/2 the price of a 7.3.They need to be like heavy trucks are/use to be,when you buy one you get to pick what drivetrain you want.
Scrounger

Hendersonville, TN

#10 Oct 14, 2010
The old man from ago wrote:
I had 2 dodges at the same time 1995 3500 dulley 80000 miles had to replace complete front end could not keep brakes on it motor was great so i had my first and last one at the same time. I sold it and bought a 2000 f350 dully never been sorry it has 7,3 has 189000 miles still doing a good job.
Dodge cant make a truck or auto tranny that will last as long as the Cummins engines.
puzzfart

Fort Campbell, TN

#11 Oct 14, 2010
I wonder why GM sucks so bad at managing their company.?The government had to bail them out of their mess...Ford did not take a bailout.
The Commander

Johnson City, TN

#12 Oct 14, 2010
Yeah scrounger, your right. I finally sold my 05',4x4 crew cab dually for loan value and I was damn glad to get it. This was back in the winter. Dodge has come out with a new tranny for their big trucks. It's an Aisin 6 speed auto. This was in 2008, does anybody out there have any experience with it? I also agree on the drivetrain choice. As of 2010, you can't get a manual trans in a ford or chevy truck from 1/2 ton to 1 ton. Chevy did it first in 2007 with all trucks, 1500-3500.
yougottaknow

Johnson City, TN

#13 Oct 14, 2010
ALL FORDS SUUUUUUUUCK!!!
Wow

Gallatin, TN

#14 Oct 14, 2010
The Commander wrote:
Yeah scrounger, your right. I finally sold my 05',4x4 crew cab dually for loan value and I was damn glad to get it. This was back in the winter. Dodge has come out with a new tranny for their big trucks. It's an Aisin 6 speed auto. This was in 2008, does anybody out there have any experience with it? I also agree on the drivetrain choice. As of 2010, you can't get a manual trans in a ford or chevy truck from 1/2 ton to 1 ton. Chevy did it first in 2007 with all trucks, 1500-3500.
I think it's ridiculous that you can no longer get a manual transmission. I have ALWAYS been a Ford man, but my next new truck will be a Dodge, because I don't want an automatic.
hauler

Smyrna, TN

#15 Oct 14, 2010
mechanic wrote:
yes all the ford/navistar engines suck point blank.Ford did sue the pants off navistar,and they turned around and counter sued.Now ford has designed their own engine a 6.7 litre (go figure)the same cubic in as cummins.The clincher is the urea injection YES now the fords and chevys have TWO tanks to fill up,one for emissions and one for fuel.Run out of urea on a trip,or a long haul....and sit on your ass till monday when a dealer opens GEINUS PURE GEINUS.I look for the used car lots to be full of these in the next year,as the people will bet their belley full of this urea crap.
Yes i have read up on the urea injection,it sounds like a headache.....typical ford i reckon,I also read that the chevey has it too,just like you said.Ive had 6 Dodges all diesels,with no problems,and the next one will be no diffrent.
Scrounger

Hendersonville, TN

#16 Oct 14, 2010
I have family that works in the truckin buisness and all of the late model fleet trucks have urea and have had for a year or so.The aftermarket will find a way around it for the average consumer but the OTR guys will have to deal with it.Chevy is the only one who has a trans IMO and they are tryin to make the truck's appeal to more people by makin them w auto's so anybody can drive one.With the exception of maybe some of the high end SUV's the diesels are the most expensive auto's they offer,so of coarse they wanna sell as many as possible.
The Commander

Hendersonville, TN

#17 Oct 14, 2010
We can thank our EPA for the urea injection. They all have to have it due to the "burn off box" in the exhaust. This may also include big trucks as well. This current administration will also make matters worse if they can. Hey all you diesel truck owners, how do you like "going green" now!?
Max

Gallatin, TN

#18 Oct 14, 2010
if you put a 10 inch tail pipe then you hear the sucking noise when you cost down a hill .This is just a sound and if you will put the smaller tail pipe back on you wont feel they are sucking.
DIXIE IRON FIST

Smyrna, TN

#19 Oct 14, 2010
The Commander wrote:
We can thank our EPA for the urea injection. They all have to have it due to the "burn off box" in the exhaust. This may also include big trucks as well. This current administration will also make matters worse if they can. Hey all you diesel truck owners, how do you like "going green" now!?
The 5.9 and 6.7 cummins DO NOT have urea injection.Only ford and chevy have had to do that to comply with 2012 epa reg's.
Scrounger

Hendersonville, TN

#20 Oct 14, 2010
The Commander wrote:
We can thank our EPA for the urea injection. They all have to have it due to the "burn off box" in the exhaust. This may also include big trucks as well. This current administration will also make matters worse if they can. Hey all you diesel truck owners, how do you like "going green" now!?
Yeah and when one of the twin turbos on the new fleet diesels goes out guess where the oil goes????? Yep straight into the "burn off box" they have had trucks catch on fire goin down the road.Theirs a reason why Cat is gettin out of the trucks engines.

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