smart students

Greeneville, TN

#62 Oct 10, 2013
I know why a lot of teachers put the students in groups and put a smart student with each group and let them work together. It is because the teacher needs help from the smart students in the class to teach the other students and the teacher.
Teacher

Greeneville, TN

#63 Oct 10, 2013
It's actually because of the evaluation system and Common Core. We are marked down on evaluations if studetns do not work in groups.
sad but true

Greeneville, TN

#64 Oct 11, 2013
Teacher wrote:
It's actually because of the evaluation system and Common Core. We are marked down on evaluations if studetns do not work in groups.
Idiot. Common core standards are a whole new concept. Wow, hope you are not a teacher. Teachers have been putting children in groups like this for years. I learned more from the smart kid in my group than I did from the teacher.
Teacher

Greeneville, TN

#65 Oct 11, 2013
I am a teacher. I never did put kids in groups until I was made to. I think it is stupid, but I have to do it or get marked down. Some teachers did, and it is because it is constantly pushed down that we do cooperative groups.
teacher

Greeneville, TN

#66 Oct 12, 2013
It is very narrow minded to think that someone cannot be an expert in something they didn't major in in college.
Skooled in East TN

Elizabethton, TN

#68 Oct 12, 2013
Why is the ETSU education department unaccredited? So the teachers who received a degree in education from ETSU are unprepared with a lackluster degree? I know people who have degrees from area colleges who can barely read and write.
Teacher

Greeneville, TN

#69 Oct 12, 2013
OK. You got me. Because you say I am not a teacher, I guess you are right.
Also a Teacher

Johnson City, TN

#70 Oct 12, 2013
Teacher wrote:
I am a teacher. I never did put kids in groups until I was made to. I think it is stupid, but I have to do it or get marked down. Some teachers did, and it is because it is constantly pushed down that we do cooperative groups.
It is very narrow minded to make say that cooperative groups are stupid. They work very well with the right oversight and in certain circumstances. Granted, they are not right for every circumstance, but can be a great learning tool.
It is a fact that the lecture style of teaching, which is the backbone of Greene County Schools, is effective only 12% of the time...yet the county continues to shove it down our children's throats. Teachers continue to do it because that is the way they were taught and they seem to think that it is the only way to learn.
Greene County needs to pull itself out of the turn of the last century, get off the horse and buggy, and get with the program. Heck, most of my children's teachers can't even be bothered to read and discuss the text book, instead they pop in a DVD and work on their own homework so they can get their master's degree and make more money for NOT teaching. And heaven forbid if we expect science experiments, levelized reading groups, and enrichment for gifted students...instead Greene County makes an entire class out of spelling into the middle school level and allows students to grade each other's papers...I would suspect a teacher's lack of teaching (and grading) has a lot more to do with a student's lack of success than the fine print on the degree they received.
Government Cheese

Greeneville, TN

#72 Oct 12, 2013
Also a Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
It is very narrow minded to make say that cooperative groups are stupid. They work very well with the right oversight and in certain circumstances. Granted, they are not right for every circumstance, but can be a great learning tool.
It is a fact that the lecture style of teaching, which is the backbone of Greene County Schools, is effective only 12% of the time...yet the county continues to shove it down our children's throats. Teachers continue to do it because that is the way they were taught and they seem to think that it is the only way to learn.
Greene County needs to pull itself out of the turn of the last century, get off the horse and buggy, and get with the program. Heck, most of my children's teachers can't even be bothered to read and discuss the text book, instead they pop in a DVD and work on their own homework so they can get their master's degree and make more money for NOT teaching. And heaven forbid if we expect science experiments, levelized reading groups, and enrichment for gifted students...instead Greene County makes an entire class out of spelling into the middle school level and allows students to grade each other's papers...I would suspect a teacher's lack of teaching (and grading) has a lot more to do with a student's lack of success than the fine print on the degree they received.
Could someone please decipher this??
Also a Teacher

Johnson City, TN

#73 Oct 12, 2013
Government Cheese wrote:
<quoted text>
Could someone please decipher this??
I guess you had to be educated somewhere besides Greene County to "decipher this." Maybe too much teacher speak??? But I was addressing a teacher. Touche?
Government Cheese

Greeneville, TN

#74 Oct 12, 2013
Also a Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you had to be educated somewhere besides Greene County to "decipher this." Maybe too much teacher speak??? But I was addressing a teacher. Touche?
It is called a tongue in cheek statement meaning I simply felt it was just an endless diatribe. You know teachers seem to have a thin skin when it comes to any terse statements thrown their way. But you did get one thing correct, I was not educated here, I was educated at Penn State and my degrees were not education but in biology and science. Try not to take simple banter personally.
it would be nice

Greeneville, TN

#75 Oct 12, 2013
Vicky Kirk put a certain principal in Central Office who was just awful. The first person that needs to go is this former principal and it would be nice if Kirk would not let the door hit her butt on the way out too.
Cat Turd

Knoxville, TN

#76 Oct 12, 2013
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
Government Cheese

Greeneville, TN

#77 Oct 12, 2013
Cat Turd wrote:
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
Wonderfully said!
difinitely a taehcer

Greeneville, TN

#78 Oct 12, 2013
Cat Turd wrote:
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
And the above proves what? We can read a "mess". Some people spend a lot of time on foolishness.
Cat Turd

Knoxville, TN

#79 Oct 12, 2013
difinitely a taehcer wrote:
<quoted text>
And the above proves what? We can read a "mess". Some people spend a lot of time on foolishness.
The end result of your argument on topix will be just that. Foolishness!
Direct Instruction

Elizabethton, TN

#80 Oct 12, 2013
Also a Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
It is very narrow minded to make say that cooperative groups are stupid. They work very well with the right oversight and in certain circumstances. Granted, they are not right for every circumstance, but can be a great learning tool.
It is a fact that the lecture style of teaching, which is the backbone of Greene County Schools, is effective only 12% of the time...yet the county continues to shove it down our children's throats. Teachers continue to do it because that is the way they were taught and they seem to think that it is the only way to learn.
Greene County needs to pull itself out of the turn of the last century, get off the horse and buggy, and get with the program. Heck, most of my children's teachers can't even be bothered to read and discuss the text book, instead they pop in a DVD and work on their own homework so they can get their master's degree and make more money for NOT teaching. And heaven forbid if we expect science experiments, levelized reading groups, and enrichment for gifted students...instead Greene County makes an entire class out of spelling into the middle school level and allows students to grade each other's papers...I would suspect a teacher's lack of teaching (and grading) has a lot more to do with a student's lack of success than the fine print on the degree they received.
http://www.jefflindsay.com/EducData.shtml
Teacher

Greeneville, TN

#81 Oct 13, 2013
I am a teacher by the way, whether you want to believe it or not. I do learning centers in my room. It doesn't fit the subject area I teach as well. I don't do process learning as much as my subject area is learning information with some processes included.

The students do not learn as well in learning centers. You have students who work their butts off and one or two who do very little.(Sounds like socialism to me.)

The ones who work still aren't getting the information because they are only doing part of the work, therefore gaining part of the information.

Why is it that we did our learning by having a teacher teach it, writing it down, practicing it, and being tested on it, are the same ones saying it doesn't work? Do we really think that when we cover it once in groups and the students didn't ever even really cover it once that they will learn it while we covered it 4x (once by hearing, once by writing, once by doing an assignment, and then doing it on a test)?
Also a Teacher

Johnson City, TN

#82 Oct 13, 2013
Government Cheese wrote:
<quoted text>
It is called a tongue in cheek statement meaning I simply felt it was just an endless diatribe. You know teachers seem to have a thin skin when it comes to any terse statements thrown their way. But you did get one thing correct, I was not educated here, I was educated at Penn State and my degrees were not education but in biology and science. Try not to take simple banter personally.
Sorry to be so sensitive, but there is not much friendly banter on this Topix site. Very few people want to have a real, constructive conversation about anything.
Also a Teacher

Johnson City, TN

#83 Oct 13, 2013
Teacher wrote:
I am a teacher by the way, whether you want to believe it or not. I do learning centers in my room. It doesn't fit the subject area I teach as well. I don't do process learning as much as my subject area is learning information with some processes included.
The students do not learn as well in learning centers. You have students who work their butts off and one or two who do very little.(Sounds like socialism to me.)
The ones who work still aren't getting the information because they are only doing part of the work, therefore gaining part of the information.
Why is it that we did our learning by having a teacher teach it, writing it down, practicing it, and being tested on it, are the same ones saying it doesn't work? Do we really think that when we cover it once in groups and the students didn't ever even really cover it once that they will learn it while we covered it 4x (once by hearing, once by writing, once by doing an assignment, and then doing it on a test)?
While I do believe that cooperative groups aren't the best fit for every subject, I also believe that we as adults, and as teachers, cling to the kinds of teaching that worked for us as learners. The kind of teaching you describe worked well for you, which is why you were successful and probably why you are a teacher today. I know I had a very set idea on how to teach before I had children of my own. My children were hands on learners who did not like dry text with no interaction, catchy music with learning lyrics, or pneumonic devices that I found helpful as a learner. At first, I did not really know what to do to help them. Then, as I took classes in education, I found new ways to hold their interest and teach them. Approaching my ESE students with lessons that encompass visual, auditory and kinesthetic components has proven most successful. The traditional way of learning that Greene County schools uses could be expanded to reach more students if lessons encompassed the three main ways of learning. If using different kinds of teaching techniques makes that happen, we as teachers, should be employing them. I feel that many of the "old school" teachers locally don't think there are any new techniques in teaching worth learning or using in their classrooms. I disagree.

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