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Cannot Be True

Greeneville, TN

#1 Oct 5, 2013
So my kid is having more trouble this year. He is actually struggling. Now I'm told that his teacher has a degree in P.E. not a degree in what they are teaching. This just cannot be true! So I'm told hey they took a test so now they teach a class they didn't get a degree in. Heck fire I could take a test and maybe pass it but that sure would not make me capable of teaching. Someone anyone please tell me that this cannot be true. I called Nashville and they say this should not happen. Any one got any info on this stuff? I also have called the governor's office. Not going to fool with our silly school board or director. They'd just tell me how great all the teachers are.
Tony

United States

#2 Oct 5, 2013
Is this City or County??
so on and so on

Greeneville, TN

#3 Oct 5, 2013
Cannot Be True wrote:
So my kid is having more trouble this year. He is actually struggling. Now I'm told that his teacher has a degree in P.E. not a degree in what they are teaching. This just cannot be true! So I'm told hey they took a test so now they teach a class they didn't get a degree in. Heck fire I could take a test and maybe pass it but that sure would not make me capable of teaching. Someone anyone please tell me that this cannot be true. I called Nashville and they say this should not happen. Any one got any info on this stuff? I also have called the governor's office. Not going to fool with our silly school board or director. They'd just tell me how great all the teachers are.
Please don't blame it all on the teacher if you child is having a hard time. There is no way this can be true. PE teachers teach PE and so on and so on.

ms karma

UK

#4 Oct 5, 2013
It's fairly commonplace for teachers to teach outside their major. When attending school, most of their studies are built around a core curriculum so if they've earned their degree, they're certainly qualified to teach. And apparently this teacher has passed all the required exams. You mention your child is having problems. Perhaps there's tutoring or other mentoring programs available to help him/her in the studies they're weak in.
Cannot Be True

Greeneville, TN

#5 Oct 5, 2013
ms karma wrote:
It's fairly commonplace for teachers to teach outside their major. When attending school, most of their studies are built around a core curriculum so if they've earned their degree, they're certainly qualified to teach. And apparently this teacher has passed all the required exams. You mention your child is having problems. Perhaps there's tutoring or other mentoring programs available to help him/her in the studies they're weak in.
While I appreciate your advice and I certainly will do that if need be even though I certainly cannot afford it, no possible curriculum could prepare someone who's getting a P.E. degree to teach some of the much harder subjects. That's just stupid. I do appreciate your input though but I hope to get a call back from someone who can tell me how this happened. From what you are saying it can be true. If it is true then it sounds like everyone should just take P.E. and then take a test and teach something else. Can you say crazy!
steam

Greeneville, TN

#6 Oct 5, 2013
ms karma wrote:
It's fairly commonplace for teachers to teach outside their major. When attending school, most of their studies are built around a core curriculum so if they've earned their degree, they're certainly qualified to teach. And apparently this teacher has passed all the required exams. You mention your child is having problems. Perhaps there's tutoring or other mentoring programs available to help him/her in the studies they're weak in.
What in the world are you saying? Are you saying get a p.e. degree and you can teach science or some other class? Steam coming out of my ears if this is true.
promise

Greeneville, TN

#7 Oct 5, 2013
I thought this was about stupid Phy Ed. teachers. I don't know what you are smoking but there is no way a Phy Ed. teacher would be hired to teach science or other hard core curriculum. I can promise you that.
Teacher

Greeneville, TN

#8 Oct 5, 2013
According to Tennessee, you can get a teacher's license by majoring in a subject, going through a teacher's program, and passing the required tests. Then if your licensure goes up into the upper grades, you can take a test on an upper grades subject. If you pass it, you are then licensed by the state.

My licensure was in one subject area originally. I took more tests and passed them. I now teach something different than what my major was, but I am a competent teacher in my subject area. Some teachers aren't competent in the area they went to school for.

It is possible that a PE teacher become licensed in something else. That doesn't mean he/she is good or bad. What happens in the classroom does.
Tom

Jonesborough, TN

#9 Oct 5, 2013
Cannot Be True wrote:
So my kid is having more trouble this year. He is actually struggling. Now I'm told that his teacher has a degree in P.E. not a degree in what they are teaching. This just cannot be true! So I'm told hey they took a test so now they teach a class they didn't get a degree in. Heck fire I could take a test and maybe pass it but that sure would not make me capable of teaching. Someone anyone please tell me that this cannot be true. I called Nashville and they say this should not happen. Any one got any info on this stuff? I also have called the governor's office. Not going to fool with our silly school board or director. They'd just tell me how great all the teachers are.
What about the other students? Are they "struggling"? Better check before you start blaming the Teacher.
Teaching as Second Career

Johnson City, TN

#10 Oct 5, 2013
What is really sad is that a non education major like myself can take the exams the education major takes and pass them with flying colors while ETSU's students who have been through a full two years of classes in their major are having to take the exam two and three times just to pass it.

I was not an education major but have taught for several years. I just purchased the text books for the classes, studied on my own and got close to perfect scores. I can teach circles around most of the education majors I have met in Greene County. It just goes to show that getting your degree, even your masters, does not make you a good teacher. Teaching is a skill that comes natural to some and doesn't come at all to others no matter how many years they spend in school.
are you serious

Greeneville, TN

#11 Oct 5, 2013
Teacher wrote:
According to Tennessee, you can get a teacher's license by majoring in a subject, going through a teacher's program, and passing the required tests. Then if your licensure goes up into the upper grades, you can take a test on an upper grades subject. If you pass it, you are then licensed by the state.
My licensure was in one subject area originally. I took more tests and passed them. I now teach something different than what my major was, but I am a competent teacher in my subject area. Some teachers aren't competent in the area they went to school for.
It is possible that a PE teacher become licensed in something else. That doesn't mean he/she is good or bad. What happens in the classroom does.
Maybe this explains some of the dummies teaching our children. So you are telling me that a physical education major can teach science, english and God forbid math? You can't be serious. No amount of money can fix stupid. I am betting that if more parents get wind of this there will be some explaining to do. No wonder the schools are producing dummies. Classrooms are full of physical education teachers. It would be funny if it were not so bizarre.
madder than hejj

Greeneville, TN

#12 Oct 5, 2013
Teaching as Second Career wrote:
What is really sad is that a non education major like myself can take the exams the education major takes and pass them with flying colors while ETSU's students who have been through a full two years of classes in their major are having to take the exam two and three times just to pass it.
I was not an education major but have taught for several years. I just purchased the text books for the classes, studied on my own and got close to perfect scores. I can teach circles around most of the education majors I have met in Greene County. It just goes to show that getting your degree, even your masters, does not make you a good teacher. Teaching is a skill that comes natural to some and doesn't come at all to others no matter how many years they spend in school.
Where the he!! do you teach? I want my kid out of that school. Somebody with some smarts needs to check this crap out. Do colleges know this? Why would parents spend thousands of dollars to send their son/daughter to college to teach if all you have to do is get some books and take a test?
ms karma

Bogotá, Colombia

#13 Oct 5, 2013
madder than hejj wrote:
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Where the he!! do you teach? I want my kid out of that school. Somebody with some smarts needs to check this crap out. Do colleges know this? Why would parents spend thousands of dollars to send their son/daughter to college to teach if all you have to do is get some books and take a test?
You have to have earned a Bachelor's or Master's degree regardless of major. You can't just buy some books and take a test to teach.
lunatics

Greeneville, TN

#14 Oct 5, 2013
What is happening is that if there is not an opening for some of these pe teachers and there is an opening in some other subject, you guessed it the pe teacher gets the job. Not just pe teachers, it is happening with all the teachers. I found this out some years ago when my daughter came home and told me who her teacher was. I was a friend of the teacher's family and knew what her degree was in. Oh and her dad just happened to be best friends with the director at that time. What a bunch of retards. The average person knows nothing about this. I just happened to know the family or I doubt I'd ever known.
Government Cheese

Greeneville, TN

#15 Oct 5, 2013
There may be exceptions but throughout my school years as well as my children's school years coaches as well as most PE instructors have been, well; Dicks. Have you noticed that they all have this same smarmy, over the top attitude. In my case I have never known a coach who just wasn't an old fashioned ass hole. As I think about it most cops fall in to this category as well.
not logical

Greeneville, TN

#16 Oct 5, 2013
ms karma wrote:
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You have to have earned a Bachelor's or Master's degree regardless of major. You can't just buy some books and take a test to teach.
Earn a Bach or Mast degree in any old subject and then do what? None of this makes any logical sense. We just assumed that teachers went to college and got a degree and taught what they had studied for. Anybody know how many are doing this in our area?
Cannot Be True

Greeneville, TN

#17 Oct 5, 2013
Since starting this earlier and after talking with a couple of other parents it would seem my kid is not the only one having the same problem. I sure would like to share a name but wouldn't dare on this public forum. I have now also written a letter to send certified mail. I need some answers from our government. I do thank those with your input to a very troubling revelation.
Yep

United States

#18 Oct 5, 2013
Cannot Be True wrote:
So my kid is having more trouble this year. He is actually struggling. Now I'm told that his teacher has a degree in P.E. not a degree in what they are teaching. This just cannot be true! So I'm told hey they took a test so now they teach a class they didn't get a degree in. Heck fire I could take a test and maybe pass it but that sure would not make me capable of teaching. Someone anyone please tell me that this cannot be true. I called Nashville and they say this should not happen. Any one got any info on this stuff? I also have called the governor's office. Not going to fool with our silly school board or director. They'd just tell me how great all the teachers are.
Math - Right?
yep

Greeneville, TN

#19 Oct 5, 2013
My kid had a terrible time with a math teacher in high school who is a coach. Hated math because of it. Then gets a real math teacher the next year, and is getting excellent grades and loves math! Are math teachers really that hard to find?
Just An Opinion

United States

#20 Oct 6, 2013
Tony wrote:
Is this City or County??
Tony wrote:
Is this City or County??
It appears that both local school systems use this practice and it is the way things are done in TN. The people who are hired in the teaching positions, no matter what their original degree happens to be, are certified by the state of TN because they have passed a Praxis exam. My guess is that many other school systems in TN may do the same. A person certified to teach PE just needs to pass a Praxis exam to be certified to teach math, English, etc. A person with a non-teaching degree can get a MAT, pass a Praxis, and be certified to teach. This is very common at the elementary, middle and high school levels. If a person can't find a job with the degree they have, this can be an easy way for them to find employment.
So, yes, your child could be receiving academic instruction from someone who has had very little, and possibly no training, in the subject being taught. Maybe in some cases, the school needs a coach for a specific sport. They can hire a person to coach if this person passes a Praxis exam and teaches some coursework. Sometimes it does make me wonder if athletic programs are more important than academic programs to some - but this is only my personal concern and opinion. I am not suggesting that this is true. Hopefully, all schools are hiring the highest quality academic teachers available.

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