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KnightLord, I made a very thoughtful Post to you earlier today that Topix did not put up...I don't know why.
But, the Important Part was that, I want to Thank You for your Service, also, and I wish you Peace and only good things for the rest of your Life. As a Nation, We owe you, and all the other Vietnam Vets, not only Thanks, but also Apologies for some of our American Citizens' Actions, upon your and their Homecoming...it never should have happened to any of our Returning Veterans! I say again...a truly Heart-felt, THANK YOU!
Wish for peace is noted, but it'll never happen. I've seen too many of my Brother and Sister Vets literally die inside to achieve it and work within the system to find some form of financial success as a placebo for what's been stripped from them.

There is coming a time when there will be a War that will be unlike anything this planet has ever imagined. It will touch each and every person, every man, woman, and child. At the end of it, the living will walk upon the skeletons and remains of the dead, but can it really be said that anyone was victorious?

Do you know what twists the dagger? We fought, we died, we sacrificed ourselves in so many ways, but we didn't protect anyone from anything. That's what I am trying to do now, but I'm thinking that only leading a church member to Jesus would be harder.

I really love people who stand up to be counted, think for themselves, are able to admit when they're wrong, willing to learn and change, and most of all are willing to still love in a world that seems to drip with apathy.{Hatred is just frustrated love, Apathy is the true opposite of Love}

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Topix won't put up most of what I post using my member account, so I generally don't log in. I'm sure there's a reason, not just a glitch in the system, but if I don't log in I can say just about anything I like.
Do you remember Lt. Calley? Not sure if I spelled his name right, but he was at the center of the Mi Lai Massacre. He had a "body count" to fill, and when he reported that the town was nothing but peaceful civilians, his commander {who later lied to save his own skin} told him to fill that "body count" or face courts martial. Recently I read a story that says military personnel are being asked if they would fire on American civilians, and their answer will determine their promotion curve. I didn't find the article hard to believe at all, considering this government considers it "right" to sanction assassination by remote control, assassinations of American citizens {abroad or at home doesn't matter}, and deployment of drones over American soil.
Have you read "Democracy in America" { http://xroads.virginia.edu/~Hyper/DETOC/toc_i... }? One of the last chapters is entitled "What sort of Despotism Democratic Nations have to Fear" and should be required reading for every 6th, 8th, 10th, and 12th grader without exception. We are now living what Alexis de Toqueville said, and somehow "the masses" {can't really call them anything else} have become so thick and slow they can't/won't see it. I shouldn't be surprised though; it has always been the 10% that steers the other 90%.
This is how I normally deal with the Vietnam issue. I divert, I channel, and I put my pain and fury to work against the true enemies of the Constitution {I never break a promise, and I hold that one above so many others}.
Toward the end of his life George Carlin said that the way he could recognize the truth and not go crazy was that he was no longer invested in the fate of this species; that with the gifts of abstract thought, differentiation between subject and object, and opposable thumbs, if this is the best we can do we deserve destruction. I'm not there yet, but I can see why he was ... clearly.
I always try to get people to think for themselves, not follow the pablum, but people will do as they choose to do. Autonomy must be terrifying, though I've found it to be a very nice way to live. Hence I'll continue my Quixotic fight, and hope that I may win a convert or two. Remember the song, "When I Die" by BS&T"
Yes indeed, I remember Lt. Calley...and I believe you spelled his Name correctly. Not only do I remember him, I wrote a Letter to President Nixon and one to the Foreman of his Jury (which I doubt ever reached him, since they had just gone into deliberations), and One to his Attorney, in support of Lt. Calley and on his behalf, at the time of his Trial.
I don't remember what I said, other than I told the President that he and Congress required Lt. to go, the Military taught Lt. Calley to kill and then, ordered him to do so, and now, you want to punish him for doing what you trained, required, and ordered him to do?!?! then, I told him that if they punished this Soldier, I would never vote for Nixon, again , and that I would work as hard as I could to get others to do the same.(I had voted for Nixon and that was before Watergate).
Lt. Calley was found Guilty, but his sentence was cut short and he was quietly released, on Orders from the President, if memory serves, in a very short time and went back to Civilian Life. If memory serves, he was only held for a couple of months or so... from all Reports at the time, I was not the only one outraged, and I do believe that Outrage of the American People, in numbers, was responsible for his short time incarceration. Bless the American people who stood up for him...I'm not sure that would happen, now!

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Yes indeed, I remember Lt. Calley...and I believe you spelled his Name correctly. Not only do I remember him, I wrote a Letter to President Nixon and one to the Foreman of his Jury (which I doubt ever reached him, since they had just gone into deliberations), and One to his Attorney, in support of Lt. Calley and on his behalf, at the time of his Trial.
I don't remember what I said, other than I told the President that he and Congress required Lt. to go, the Military taught Lt. Calley to kill and then, ordered him to do so, and now, you want to punish him for doing what you trained, required, and ordered him to do?!?! then, I told him that if they punished this Soldier, I would never vote for Nixon, again , and that I would work as hard as I could to get others to do the same.(I had voted for Nixon and that was before Watergate).
Lt. Calley was found Guilty, but his sentence was cut short and he was quietly released, on Orders from the President, if memory serves, in a very short time and went back to Civilian Life. If memory serves, he was only held for a couple of months or so... from all Reports at the time, I was not the only one outraged, and I do believe that Outrage of the American People, in numbers, was responsible for his short time incarceration. Bless the American people who stood up for him...I'm not sure that would happen, now!
And that is my point. We can do such brilliant things, all we have to do is choose to do them.

Thing is, we were different then. We were truly educated, we knew how to think for ourselves, we stood for what we believed, and were willing to die for those beliefs. Now those who die are merely shot like pigs in the street by thoughtless animals wearing the skin of human beings.

The 4 that died at Kent State, to me, are heroes. The little black girl that faced down the National Guard with George Wallace ordering them to charge in from behind the lines is a hero {well, that's my mental picture of it anyway}.

Not just heroes, but also {I think} the reason that our school system has been degraded to cranking out unthinking drones, just intelligent enough to work the levers and push the buttons, but unable to put enough together to see the real game that is being played with them as pawns. Now I understand that there is a plan to take 5 month old babies and begin "schooling" them. A friend of mine told me about it last night, so I haven't had time to look into it, but that sounds like something that was done in the 1930's.

Lt. Calley was just following orders {you knew I'd get back around to the point, didn't you?}, and though the Nuremberg Trials made it clear that "just following orders" was no excuse for the atrocities the Nazis committed, it is still a very real defense. If a platoon marches into Hometown, USA and the platoon commander orders the troops to fire into a group of civilians, one man sees his parents and refuses to fire, the commander walks up to him and puts a bullet through his head, the rest will comply without question. Only later will they realize they should have shot the commander instead. Trust me on this, they will have already been pumped full of tales of other towns shooting other platoons down like dogs from windows and behind cars and dumpsters.

This is where all of this is heading. I hope I don't live long enough to see it, but this is the world we've handed to our children and grandchildren.

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As for Lt. Calley's Commanding Officer, I can't remember his name, but I remember his face clearly...Hispanic, I believe...if any "punishment" was necessary, He should have been the One punished, for betraying his Underling and Fellow Soldier!
The Truth did come out and it didn't take it long to surface, which is also something that I'm not sure would happen today...certainly not as quickly.
Lt. Calley was vindicated, in my Mind, and in a lot of Other's Minds, as well, but his Commanding Officer was not! If I remember correctly, it was also revealed that the Commanding Officer claimed that he was only following Orders from HIS Commanding Officer, also, and passed them on to Lt. Calley. But, I'm not sure that he was believed. I think the general feeling was that Lt. Calley's Commanding Officer was just trying to win a promotion, by the "kill Numbers" he racked up in his Command, whether they were Civilians or actual Enemy Combatants.
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Bless the American people who stood up for him...I'm not sure that would happen, now!
In the movie "AVATAR" the people greeted each other by saying, "I see you." You "see" me. It doesn't matter what name appears above, you know. What others might see as rambling, and somewhat disjointed, you see and follow. I thank you for that. I have hope, you and others like you give me strength to keep holding on to it. My hope is that when I am dead and gone that there will be one child born to carry on; I may wish for more, but my hope is in that one.

May peace abide as long as it will, and may we all live with honor and nobility and if our lives be forfeit may we give them the same way as all warriors should.

Dramatic? Not really so much given the hour in which we live.

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Done my homework, if it brings you any Peace, I want you to know that I have two Grown Children who know and have an interest in the what happened in this Nation before they were born, including the Vietnam War.
It was required in my House, when they were growing up that, when I wasn't working the Evening Shift, we all sat down together for the evening Meal. We not only discussed their day and issues in their Lives, but we also discussed issues of this Nation, Past and Present. It formed an interest in them, which carried over to TV programs, concerning the same, that we all watched together and they always asked questions and wanted to know more, which usually brought on long discussions. They still have that interest today and they can discuss the Vietnam War, the Protests, and the treatment of our Returning Veterans, as though they were alive and lived through it.
I'm telling you this because I want you to know that not ALL of us, in this Country, have forgotten the Vietnam Vets and what they went through, nor how awful that War was...and some of us have made sure that the Younger Generation knows about it, too...and that they didn't forget any of the Vets of that War, either, nor the Ones who didn't come home! Your Service and your Sacrifice, is remembered and honored!
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What does all of this yah yahing have to do with the original
question,which was about hunting feral hogs.This subject is 3 years old.
Done my homework

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What does all of this yah yahing have to do with the original
question,which was about hunting feral hogs.This subject is 3 years old.
It brings you out to remind us what we fought and died for, and the ones we died for. Too bad you just don't get it, but that's your loss.

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What does all of this yah yahing have to do with the original
question,which was about hunting feral hogs.This subject is 3 years old.
Do you realize that your Post is a prime example of what KnightLord is talking about...an inability to "think outside the Box"...and if you do, you've been pre-conditioned not to express it or act on it?
The Thread will go back to it's original subject...they always do...but nowhere is it carved in stone that the conversation cannot be veer off into other areas, temporarily, other than wat you have been told and taught is not "supposed" to happen. It could actually be asserted that, it's a back-door way of controlling your thoughts and your Right to Free Speech.
My Generation considered it a valuable way of learning from others' experiences and opinions on many different subjects...and we would listen to it for hours. Furthermore, we ALWAYS learned something from it and we knew we would,,,that's why we listened. Sadly, that isn't done anymore and that may be why we are becoming a Nation of Programmed Robots without any ability to listen, learn, or think for ourselves. The way of learning to do that has been taken from us and doing it on our own, is discouraged, as you have just shown us. Also, as you have just shown us, we must follow every rule and always do as we are told, without giving it any thought, at all. Why? Because it's the Rule! Ask yourself...who made that Rule and why do we have to follow it..and what is the worse that can happen, if we don't? Then, make up your own Mind about whether to follow it or not. That's called, thinking for yourself! I suggest that you practice it, instead of blindly following along, when you don't even know why you're doing it.

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It's really a shame that you couldn't have been Drafted into the Vietnam War or the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. You might have come back an entirely different Person and anything would have been an improvement, in your case!
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Rights or no rights people will still have guns like they have drugs
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<quoted text>It`s too bad that you were not harpooned when they discovered your fatass!
Why don`t you go over there, and i`ll personally send a grenade to you, special delivery.
Rude intolerance. Childish snobbery. Anile inanity.

As nauseating as these traits are, all service men and women seek to protect your right to be so. When you grow up, maybe you'll understand that.
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For those who know the difference between distrust and paranoia, let me encourage you to watch a couple of videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

If you have an hour, and would like to see for yourself that the Gulf of Tonkin was not a one time thing, check out the USS Liberty

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Knowing what we lost, and what we stood to loose if Johnson had been successful, how "trusting" would you be?

What's Vietnam got to do with legislating hunting rights? That's up to you and how much you're willing to see, or how much you're not willing to see.
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It's really a shame that you couldn't have been Drafted into the Vietnam War or the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. You might have come back an entirely different Person and anything would have been an improvement, in your case!
A song ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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For those who know the difference between distrust and paranoia, let me encourage you to watch a couple of videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
If you have an hour, and would like to see for yourself that the Gulf of Tonkin was not a one time thing, check out the USS Liberty
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Knowing what we lost, and what we stood to loose if Johnson had been successful, how "trusting" would you be?
What's Vietnam got to do with legislating hunting rights? That's up to you and how much you're willing to see, or how much you're not willing to see.
KnightLord, I watched all of your Links, including the one about the U.S.S. Liberty. I can't really talk about them right now, other than to say that I completely understand why you do not trust our Gov't. and our Presidents and that I think I have been too trusting of some of them. I was never a fan of Johnson's, but I didn't think any President could be capable of that and showing no remorse, at all.
I remember not having a good feeling about Johnson, Nixon, McNamara, Kissinger, and the List goes on. It was a time when we didn't seem to have an honest Person in Washington, including the White House, it's Cabinet, through 2 Presidencies and it only began to improve after Nixon was forced to resign.
Two different Political Partys in the Office of the Presidency and corruption in both of them. All of us , including me, need to remember that!

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<quoted text>KnightLord, I watched all of your Links, including the one about the U.S.S. Liberty. I can't really talk about them right now, other than to say that I completely understand why you do not trust our Gov't. and our Presidents and that I think I have been too trusting of some of them. I was never a fan of Johnson's, but I didn't think any President could be capable of that and showing no remorse, at all.
I remember not having a good feeling about Johnson, Nixon, McNamara, Kissinger, and the List goes on. It was a time when we didn't seem to have an honest Person in Washington, including the White House, it's Cabinet, through 2 Presidencies and it only began to improve after Nixon was forced to resign.
Two different Political Partys in the Office of the Presidency and corruption in both of them. All of us , including me, need to remember that!
You are older than rocks and about as intelligent as an entire box of rocks. Congratulations.
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I remember not having a good feeling about Johnson, Nixon, McNamara, Kissinger, and the List goes on. It was a time when we didn't seem to have an honest Person in Washington, including the White House, it's Cabinet, through 2 Presidencies and it only began to improve after Nixon was forced to resign.
Two different Political Partys in the Office of the Presidency and corruption in both of them. All of us , including me, need to remember that!
As you may recall Kissinger said that he is properly positioned to bring in the New World Order, of both Bush and Obama, and it wouldn't surprise me if he said it about both Bush and Clinton too. Where Kissinger and a few others are involved, I would caution extreme caution. Another of my favorite haunts is the Brookings Institute {which puts videos on YouTube fairly often. The tend to be a bit more honest than they intend sometimes, but they don't expect people like me to be listening.
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A song?

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As you may recall Kissinger said that he is properly positioned to bring in the New World Order, of both Bush and Obama, and it wouldn't surprise me if he said it about both Bush and Clinton too. Where Kissinger and a few others are involved, I would caution extreme caution. Another of my favorite haunts is the Brookings Institute {which puts videos on YouTube fairly often. The tend to be a bit more honest than they intend sometimes, but they don't expect people like me to be listening.
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