Little League Baseball?
I love baseball

Franklin, TN

#1 Apr 17, 2012
Where are all the kids who play little league baseball? There are only half the number of teams this year than last year. Butch caters to a few & allows some teams to be stacked (Lil Devils) as usual. What a shame! I wish we had the county teams again that's when it was good & had plenty of players. Thanks a lot Butch!
Anonymous

Nashville, TN

#2 Apr 17, 2012
As long as Butch is there, nothing will change. We all know how things are run with him in charge.
Duh

Johnson City, TN

#3 Apr 17, 2012
Maybe they are home studying or getting ready for bed. What time do the games start. I see players on the field past 9pm.
semper fi

Nashville, TN

#4 Apr 17, 2012
i think butch is lazy as hell but why do you not tell us how you would get all these rec games over before 9pm.everyone does not play a late game,but some do run late. i say get off the couch and start your own league,you might learn something about sports,everybody cannot play the first game of the night.only the people that have never played sports cannot understand playing after 9 pm.oh,i see i am just wasting my time here because you are one of those people who want to play in that new league, where you sign up ,never play,get a trophy.sports is work and learning also.
Anonymous

Cassville, GA

#5 Apr 17, 2012
Maybe most people are sick and tired of Butch and the way he runs things. Oh and should i mention the lack of control he has over certain coaches and families who pretty much can get away with whatever they want.
I love baseball

United States

#6 Apr 17, 2012
I agree about Butch catering to certain coaches wants. I would love to see it go back to teams from where you live. They can practice close to home & play with the kids they will be playing in school & no trouble getting a place to practice. Butch didn't like it when the county teams beat the city teams! He changed it right about the time his son started little league. Ironic huh...
Nope

Kingsport, TN

#7 Apr 17, 2012
If I'm not mistaken, the Lil' Devils are not a parks and rec team. They are a travel team, therefore, Butch has nothing to do with it.

I'm glad that the county can't bring teams into the city leagues. Too many win-at-all coaches would simply stack teams with players from outside of their community. If the county kids want to play, let them go through the draft like everyone else. Why would you NOT want to go through the draft?

You should quit complaining anyway, since they are basically getting a free ride anyway. City residences' taxes pay to support the parks and rec and they still have to pay the same fees as the county residents. Very little county money goes to the Greeneville Parks and Rec.

If you really want to know what is killing little league, look no further than the travel teams.
I love baseball

United States

#8 Apr 17, 2012
Nope wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, the Lil' Devils are not a parks and rec team. They are a travel team, therefore, Butch has nothing to do with it.
I'm glad that the county can't bring teams into the city leagues. Too many win-at-all coaches would simply stack teams with players from outside of their community. If the county kids want to play, let them go through the draft like everyone else. Why would you NOT want to go through the draft?
You should quit complaining anyway, since they are basically getting a free ride anyway. City residences' taxes pay to support the parks and rec and they still have to pay the same fees as the county residents. Very little county money goes to the Greeneville Parks and Rec.
If you really want to know what is killing little league, look no further than the travel teams.
Yes I know Lil Devils isn't a rec team but rec teams games & practices get moved around to accommodate them. And yes they do. What's the difference in a county team being stacked vs a city team? Because its the county? If you think Butch doesn't "work" with the LD coaches & parents well just ask a parent or player in that league. Funny how most of them end up on the same rec team... As far as where the money comes from teams & players both pay as well as operation round up & if you don't want to pay city taxes then live in the county. You really think because someone doesn't pay city taxes they have not right to say when something's being done unfair? Nope, I will call it out when I see it.
I love baseball

United States

#9 Apr 17, 2012
As I said before when the county teams existed you could practice closer to home & it was easier to get a field. Everyone wasn't trying to get practices on the parks & rec fields so everybody got more practice time. With gas pushing $4 a gallon it would be easier on the pocketbook to not have to go to town for practices. The level of competition was much better & there were several teams in LL Baseball when the county teams were around.
Baseball

Johnson City, TN

#10 Apr 17, 2012
I love baseball wrote:
As I said before when the county teams existed you could practice closer to home & it was easier to get a field. Everyone wasn't trying to get practices on the parks & rec fields so everybody got more practice time. With gas pushing $4 a gallon it would be easier on the pocketbook to not have to go to town for practices. The level of competition was much better & there were several teams in LL Baseball when the county teams were around.
Sending every player to the draft is the fairest way of doing it. The county teams used to have a huge advantage over the city teams. For example, if there were 5 city teams and 7 county teams in Little League. Greene Co has a population of about 70,000. The city of Greeneville only has about 15,000. That means that the county itself has about 55,000 people.

Those 5 city teams would be picking from a population of about 3,000 each, while the county teams would be picking from about 7,850 each. To make it even worse, some of those county teams had a disproportionate area to pick from. So, they were picking from an even bigger area and basically winning every single year.

To be honest, Little League is all about being fair. If you want better competition, then I'd advise playing travel ball. It is a completely different level than rec ball.
Bystander

Kingsport, TN

#11 Apr 17, 2012
Baseball wrote:
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Sending every player to the draft is the fairest way of doing it. The county teams used to have a huge advantage over the city teams. For example, if there were 5 city teams and 7 county teams in Little League. Greene Co has a population of about 70,000. The city of Greeneville only has about 15,000. That means that the county itself has about 55,000 people.
Those 5 city teams would be picking from a population of about 3,000 each, while the county teams would be picking from about 7,850 each. To make it even worse, some of those county teams had a disproportionate area to pick from. So, they were picking from an even bigger area and basically winning every single year.
To be honest, Little League is all about being fair. If you want better competition, then I'd advise playing travel ball. It is a completely different level than rec ball.
Well said, BASEBALL. I've been involved in the Little League draft, and it's the fairest way to go.
For I LOVE BASEBALL, you are trying to deny what you clearly posted in the first post. Let me quote it: you said "Butch caters to a few & allows some teams to be stacked (Lil Devils) as usual." How does Butch stack a travel team? You are an idiot. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. As far as your comment about "ask a parent", you have got to be kidding. The majority of parents have no idea of what goes on, and only parrot the other crap that they hear in the stands. If you think that it's a level playing field when you can "bring your own team", you are either stupid or naive. If you want to pick a team, play travel ball.
I'm no big fan of Butch Patterson, but to blame him for the problems of Little League is ludicrous.
I Love Baseball

United States

#12 Apr 17, 2012
Bystander wrote:
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Well said, BASEBALL. I've been involved in the Little League draft, and it's the fairest way to go.
For I LOVE BASEBALL, you are trying to deny what you clearly posted in the first post. Let me quote it: you said "Butch caters to a few & allows some teams to be stacked (Lil Devils) as usual." How does Butch stack a travel team? You are an idiot. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. As far as your comment about "ask a parent", you have got to be kidding. The majority of parents have no idea of what goes on, and only parrot the other crap that they hear in the stands. If you think that it's a level playing field when you can "bring your own team", you are either stupid or naive. If you want to pick a team, play travel ball.
I'm no big fan of Butch Patterson, but to blame him for the problems of Little League is ludicrous.
Ok I'm blind & I have no idea what I'm talking about... I didn't say Butch stacked teams but he allows things to happen & takes care of his buddies & always has. If you don't believe that the you're the one who's blind. If you think travel ball is so great that's your prerogative, it caters to the ones who can afford it & not necessiarily the best players. If you don't believe me see how many of them are still playing in high school.
Bystander

Kingsport, TN

#13 Apr 17, 2012
I LOVE BASEBALL, you have yet to explain how you can staack a travel team, which is EXACTLY what you said. Here it is again: "Butch caters to a few & allows some teams to be stacked (Lil Devils) as usual."

That is your quote. The Lil' Devils is a travel team, therefore, the Greeneville Parks & Rec(butch) has nothing to do with the make-up of that team.

As far as having half the teams of last year, the 9-10 year olds had to add a team. Maybe you are referring to the girls softball, who did have a drop-off.

I'm no fan of travel ball, I'm merely stating that if you want to be involved in leagues where you bring your own team, travel ball is the way you need to go. The city parks and rec has a draft, and it's in place for a good reason.
Baseball Coach

Burns, TN

#14 Apr 17, 2012
I love baseball wrote:
I agree about Butch catering to certain coaches wants. I would love to see it go back to teams from where you live. They can practice close to home & play with the kids they will be playing in school & no trouble getting a place to practice. Butch didn't like it when the county teams beat the city teams! He changed it right about the time his son started little league. Ironic huh...
He could care less who wins. I coached in that league when the county had a hugh advantage over the city teams. The county would cut their kids and send them to the city to be drafted.You had coaches cheating and getting players out of their boundry and parents constantly lieing about were they lived. That happened in 2002 or 2003 and I know his kid didn't play until about 4 years later because I coached him also and still coach so get your story straight. The draft makes it fair for every kid regardless of were there from.
Baseball

Johnson City, TN

#15 Apr 17, 2012
I Love Baseball wrote:
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If you think travel ball is so great that's your prerogative, it caters to the ones who can afford it & not necessiarily the best players. If you don't believe me see how many of them are still playing in high school.
Your comments about travel baseball couldn’t be further from the truth. The best players in America play travel baseball. What you see in the Little League World Series every year aren’t the top level players in the nation. That is a fact! Ask any college coach, they’ll even tell you that high school baseball doesn’t really matter to them. They are more interested in what you can do against the best competition, which is travel ball (organizations such as Perfect Game when they get to 15-18 years old). Travel baseball gets you prepared to play at that level.

I have nothing against Little League, but I just don't think you get the full concept of travel baseball.
curious

Gallatin, TN

#16 Apr 22, 2012
where can I get sign up information? What are the age groups??
Devil

Gallatin, TN

#17 Apr 22, 2012
The way it is now is the best for little league all stars. Many areas would love to be able to pull players from an area that includes the entire county. If local little leagues are broken up into communities the all star teams have no chance of competing for district or state titles. Little league is all about all stars and nothing else. Think about it most games are played in the spring with bad weather and kids still in school to get the season games done and the all star tournaments start when weather is nice and school is out.

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