theangryguy

Greeneville, TN

#101 May 18, 2013
NOBODY CAN'T FIX GREENEVILLE, IT IS SO FUCKED UP AND RAN BY COMMUNISTS AND CROOKS! THE ONES OVERSEEING THIS TOWN NEEDS TO BE RAN OUT, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUDGES NEEDS TO BE RAN OUT TOO! THE STORES AND MARKETS WE HAVE HERE, SCREW THE CONSUMER BIG TIME! HELL, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR THIS TOWN, IT IS SET UP ONLY FOR THE RETIRED FOLKS!
Gville not for everybody

Greeneville, TN

#102 May 18, 2013
theangryguy wrote:
NOBODY CAN'T FIX GREENEVILLE, IT IS SO FUCKED UP AND RAN BY COMMUNISTS AND CROOKS! THE ONES OVERSEEING THIS TOWN NEEDS TO BE RAN OUT, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUDGES NEEDS TO BE RAN OUT TOO! THE STORES AND MARKETS WE HAVE HERE, SCREW THE CONSUMER BIG TIME! HELL, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR THIS TOWN, IT IS SET UP ONLY FOR THE RETIRED FOLKS!
Do the stores and markets not also screw the retired folks, or do they get a deal?
The Ultimate Solution

Nashville, TN

#103 May 18, 2013
South Greene Resident wrote:
Any ideas on how to revitalize our downtown or our whole county for that matter? I hate to see a town go down the tubes.
If you really want to run the people in office out of office, which the majority probably do, then what you do is organize an offensive and purposefully refusal to pay property taxes. If, for example, 80% of the property owners refused to pay property taxes in any given year then the city and/or county goes broke. When they go broke, then the State of Tennessee will come in and take over, thus you will have run the cronies out of office without force or threats. It would be like hitting the reset button, and you could probably convince a ton of people to not pay the taxes.
The Ultimate Solution

Nashville, TN

#104 May 18, 2013
Even at the alleged $200 a month that the city officials use as a crutch to hang on, they are not worth it any how. Is it surprising that Daniels and his boys pay a boy over $60000 of our tax dollars a year to be a "yes man" for Daniels and his boys and when pus comes to shove be the blame man? Wake up!
Gville not for everybody

Greeneville, TN

#105 May 18, 2013
The Ultimate Solution wrote:
Even at the alleged $200 a month that the city officials use as a crutch to hang on, they are not worth it any how. Is it surprising that Daniels and his boys pay a boy over $60000 of our tax dollars a year to be a "yes man" for Daniels and his boys and when pus comes to shove be the blame man? Wake up!
How about after the good old boys are gone, you tell us how to make this town really jump? Tell us how to attract high paying jobs. Tell us how to refurbish downtown, and who will pay for it. Tell us how to train our workforce. Tell us how to attract the restaurants that everyone wants. Lay out your plan.

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Since: Jun 12

BUFFALO, NY

#106 May 18, 2013
theangryguy wrote:
NOBODY CAN'T FIX GREENEVILLE, IT IS SO FUCKED UP AND RAN BY COMMUNISTS AND CROOKS! THE ONES OVERSEEING THIS TOWN NEEDS TO BE RAN OUT, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND JUDGES NEEDS TO BE RAN OUT TOO! THE STORES AND MARKETS WE HAVE HERE, SCREW THE CONSUMER BIG TIME! HELL, THERE IS NO HOPE FOR THIS TOWN, IT IS SET UP ONLY FOR THE RETIRED FOLKS!
Just for my information, would YOU know a real communist if you met one? And, if you 'ran out,' the government, courts, and law enforcement what would you replace those agencies with?

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#107 May 18, 2013
It's not really all that bad here... if you like the quiet life... It's not gonna kill any of you to walk a block or two to get to where you are going downtown. I've never really had a problem finding a parking place unless there's a big event going on and then I don't have to walk far. Clubs are 45 minutes away in JC or Morristown. Work is about the same... big cities have a longer drive to either due to traffic. If you don't like it here you should have done a little more research before moving here. I'd much rather look at a bunch of cows than deal with smart a$$ hateful b!tches all day. The crime rate is nothing compared to even JC much less Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga or Knoxville...
It is what it is...
The Ultimate Solution

Nashville, TN

#108 May 18, 2013
Gville not for everybody wrote:
<quoted text>How about after the good old boys are gone, you tell us how to make this town really jump? Tell us how to attract high paying jobs. Tell us how to refurbish downtown, and who will pay for it. Tell us how to train our workforce. Tell us how to attract the restaurants that everyone wants. Lay out your plan.
To answer your question more thoroughly, then you have to give me a little time to research and think on it. I will then come up with the solution to what you ask. For example and right off hand, I am unsure of the specifics of how the State of Tennessee would handle it. If I was a guessing man, then I would bet that the folks who work for the State are more progressive than the local officials. Besides all that, the State will bring the muscle, so you probably don't want to mess with them regardless. Anyway, I will take a look at the details and report.

Off the cuff, I think everyone can look at history and see how towns from the past progressively came to life. Easy enough to research, and you have an opportunity to take the best of the successes and put it all together.

If you look at the basics, it comes down to the property owners and who has title and how to go about managing that property in the context of the property owner's title.

The man who is interested in making a buck will train his workers. That's why people are trained in the first place. To attract the companies, you have to have incentives to come here and you have to compete with every other organized community in the United States and the State of Tennessee. So, after the government is reset, then you offer the county owned land or city owned land to the companies who bring the jobs and then don't tax them, but you could probably say if your company fails and jobs are lost then the land reverts back to us and you are gone. I can guarantee you that everyone else taxes these companies or finds some way to get at them to get a buck or two....this is where the cronies are at their worst. So, naturally if we for example charged a company zero dollars to place a business here and did not tax them, then you will be an attractive commodity.

In terms of law enforcement, at the base level you and I have the right to bear arms and we care about our community. So, just like they did in the old days you bring a group of responsible citizens together who can handle matters as a group because they care about the success of the community. This can even be broken down into the neighborhoods and people coming together who live close by for organized protection as a group....similar to how you would protect your own family or how people protected themselves from Indian attacks back in the day. This as opposed to organized law enforcement bitching about they aren't getting paid enough or when their next lunch break is. On the flip side, you organize funds from citizens and take bids and run it like a private security force runs and perhaps bring in a consultant to that effect and pay them to do their job and with less rights than a government run law enforcement has right now.

In terms of being educated, then you can look to how people organize themselves for private schools or group home schools. They do it everyday in the United States somewhere. The organized group will pay an educated person to teach the children. This is how they did it in the old days.

Like I said, all of the above is off the cuff and I will need to do more research on the issue. Obviously, the free flow of ideas is always positive, so any input is welcome. Right now the city and county have no plan, so at least this is a good start.
The Ultimate Solution

Nashville, TN

#109 May 18, 2013
The Ultimate Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
To answer your question more thoroughly, then you have to give me a little time to research and think on it. I will then come up with the solution to what you ask. For example and right off hand, I am unsure of the specifics of how the State of Tennessee would handle it. If I was a guessing man, then I would bet that the folks who work for the State are more progressive than the local officials. Besides all that, the State will bring the muscle, so you probably don't want to mess with them regardless. Anyway, I will take a look at the details and report.
Off the cuff, I think everyone can look at history and see how towns from the past progressively came to life. Easy enough to research, and you have an opportunity to take the best of the successes and put it all together.
If you look at the basics, it comes down to the property owners and who has title and how to go about managing that property in the context of the property owner's title.
The man who is interested in making a buck will train his workers. That's why people are trained in the first place. To attract the companies, you have to have incentives to come here and you have to compete with every other organized community in the United States and the State of Tennessee. So, after the government is reset, then you offer the county owned land or city owned land to the companies who bring the jobs and then don't tax them, but you could probably say if your company fails and jobs are lost then the land reverts back to us and you are gone......
To add, you really need to think about it like this.... if the a public company wants to get investors to invest their money in the company, then the company needs to demonstrate success and that they are managed properly, and that they are profitable. If Greeneville was a private company, then I do not believe they could make a good case that they are being managed properly or are profitable. Consequently, we should quit investing in it until new management arrives. You may even start with a CEO who has proven success....perhaps Scott who has proven success would be a good start. At least he cares enough about the community to live here, so he has an interest in seeing it succeed. I do realize that some of you may have a personal problem with him, but if he can make millions that means he can make good decisions that affect many even with any faults that we all have. If he can manage, then he can manage...enough said.

Just a thought.
Benny Hill

Greeneville, TN

#110 May 18, 2013
The Ultimate Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
To answer your question more thoroughly, then you have to give me a little time to research and think on it. I will then come up with the solution to what you ask. For example and right off hand, I am unsure of the specifics of how the State of Tennessee would handle it. If I was a guessing man, then I would bet that the folks who work for the State are more progressive than the local officials. Besides all that, the State will bring the muscle, so you probably don't want to mess with them regardless. Anyway, I will take a look at the details and report.
Off the cuff, I think everyone can look at history and see how towns from the past progressively came to life. Easy enough to research, and you have an opportunity to take the best of the successes and put it all together.
If you look at the basics, it comes down to the property owners and who has title and how to go about managing that property in the context of the property owner's title.
The man who is interested in making a buck will train his workers. That's why people are trained in the first place. To attract the companies, you have to have incentives to come here and you have to compete with every other organized community in the United States and the State of Tennessee. So, after the government is reset, then you offer the county owned land or city owned land to the companies who bring the jobs and then don't tax them, but you could probably say if your company fails and jobs are lost then the land reverts back to us and you are gone. I can guarantee you that everyone else taxes these companies or finds some way to get at them to get a buck or two....this is where the cronies are at their worst. So, naturally if we for example charged a company zero dollars to place a business here and did not tax them, then you will be an attractive commodity.
In terms of law enforcement, at the base level you and I have the right to bear arms and we care about our community. So, just like they did in the old days you bring a group of responsible citizens together who can handle matters as a group because they care about the success of the community. This can even be broken down into the neighborhoods and people coming together who live close by for organized protection as a group....similar to how you would protect your own family or how people protected themselves from Indian attacks back in the day. This as opposed to organized law enforcement bitching about they aren't getting paid enough or when their next lunch break is. On the flip side, you organize funds from citizens and take bids and run it like a private security force runs and perhaps bring in a consultant to that effect and pay them to do their job and with less rights than a government run law enforcement has right now.
In terms of being educated, then you can look to how people organize themselves for private schools or group home schools. They do it everyday in the United States somewhere. The organized group will pay an educated person to teach the children. This is how they did it in the old days.
Like I said, all of the above is off the cuff and I will need to do more research on the issue. Obviously, the free flow of ideas is always positive, so any input is welcome. Right now the city and county have no plan, so at least this is a good start.
First of all, I'm not very optimistic that the state has the right to take over a city government that balances its budget yearly. Secondly, I do not think that enough land downtown could be procured to have needed parking. Would you plan on taking private property by eminent domain?

Usually about 120-150 parking spaces will fit on an acre of land. If one could buy up enough land to constitute an acre, it would probably take about 10-12 of those old buildings. If the buildings are worth $200-250,000 a piece, that means 2-3 million dollars, plus teardown and removal, plus paving, etc. to be continued
The Ultimate Solution

Nashville, TN

#111 May 18, 2013
Benny Hill wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, I'm not very optimistic that the state has the right to take over a city government that balances its budget yearly. Secondly, I do not think that enough land downtown could be procured to have needed parking. Would you plan on taking private property by eminent domain?
Usually about 120-150 parking spaces will fit on an acre of land. If one could buy up enough land to constitute an acre, it would probably take about 10-12 of those old buildings. If the buildings are worth $200-250,000 a piece, that means 2-3 million dollars, plus teardown and removal, plus paving, etc. to be continued
First question you have to ask is do you really even need a city government that obtains a budget to try to balance? Second question is, why would a city official spend more on his campaign than he would make in an entire term?
Benny Hill

Greeneville, TN

#112 May 18, 2013
Now we are up to about $5,000,000 for 125 parking spaces or $40,000 each. You can do a parking garage if you spend that much, but underground parking would run about $100,000 per space. You will probably have to charge for parking, and will Greene Countians be willing to pay, if they can park for free at stores on the bypass? Also, 125 parking spaces won't be enough, considering all of the employees necessary to staff the new bustling downtown district, plus the influx of customers. Of course, almost half of Depot Street will be a parking lot.

As for how other towns have developed, I outlined that in an earlier post. In a nutshell, most started either on a navigable river, or ocean port, railroad crossing, interstate crossroads, or due to location of medical schools, universities, government offices or hospitals(i.e. Mountain Home Hospital for Civil War veterans in Johnson City), or as bedroom communities for a larger city. Which of these sounds like Greeneville?

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#113 May 18, 2013
We don't walk that dang far...
If I need to go to the court house, I park on the side or right up front. If I need to go to the library, right up front... The churches have their own parking lots. I've never had a problem at a lawyers office, nor Tipton's restaraunt or the antique store (and no where else.) Have I just been lucky all of my 34 years?
thinking out loud

Greeneville, TN

#114 May 18, 2013
Yep you've been lucky your whole life, and I've come to the conclusion misery loves company and if they aren't bitching about something than they aren't happy.
Benny Hill

Greeneville, TN

#115 May 18, 2013
Se7en187 wrote:
We don't walk that dang far...
If I need to go to the court house, I park on the side or right up front. If I need to go to the library, right up front... The churches have their own parking lots. I've never had a problem at a lawyers office, nor Tipton's restaraunt or the antique store (and no where else.) Have I just been lucky all of my 34 years?
It's easy to find parking now because there are few retail businesses downtown. We don't need more parking at the moment.
Benny Hill

Greeneville, TN

#116 May 18, 2013
The Ultimate Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
First question you have to ask is do you really even need a city government that obtains a budget to try to balance? Second question is, why would a city official spend more on his campaign than he would make in an entire term?
I think the town has about $20 million in revenue every year. It is a big business. They have to have some outline to go by. Whatever form of government in charge needs to know how much money is needed to provide services to the town. How would they set the tax rate?

There are at least 3 possible answers to your second question.

1) A love of community, and a willingness to serve.
2) An ego or power trip.
3) There is more money to be made than we know.

I have never held office, so I really don't know the answer, but politicians do it everywhere.
South Greene Resident

Jonesborough, TN

#117 May 18, 2013
Gville not for everybody wrote:
<quoted text>News flash!!! Our whole society is going down the tubes. There is a correlation between liberal policies, the breakup of the traditional family, and the downfall of our country. Greeneville is not an isolated example.
I agree. The whole country is in a downslide. The federal government is in such a decline, I see little hope of any kind of fix. Perhaps the begin of the country's decline coincided with my move to this area, making it seem like Greeneville is the issue. Maybe this is the way it is everywhere and I just don't know it yet? I hope not. I look around and fear for the future, for the life my children will lead, the struggles they will have. I don't think I am so different that everyone else. I am hoping for the revitalization of and idyllic American small town. If no one hopes for better, tries to make it better, it will never be realized.
The Ultimate Solution

Nashville, TN

#118 May 18, 2013
South Greene Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. The whole country is in a downslide. The federal government is in such a decline, I see little hope of any kind of fix. Perhaps the begin of the country's decline coincided with my move to this area, making it seem like Greeneville is the issue. Maybe this is the way it is everywhere and I just don't know it yet? I hope not. I look around and fear for the future, for the life my children will lead, the struggles they will have. I don't think I am so different that everyone else. I am hoping for the revitalization of and idyllic American small town. If no one hopes for better, tries to make it better, it will never be realized.
Wrong. Greeneville started it for the entire country.
JackB

Dandridge, TN

#119 May 19, 2013
Benny Hill wrote:
<quoted text>First of all, I'm not very optimistic that the state has the right to take over a city government that balances its budget yearly. Secondly, I do not think that enough land downtown could be procured to have needed parking. Would you plan on taking private property by eminent domain?
Usually about 120-150 parking spaces will fit on an acre of land. If one could buy up enough land to constitute an acre, it would probably take about 10-12 of those old buildings. If the buildings are worth $200-250,000 a piece, that means 2-3 million dollars, plus teardown and removal, plus paving, etc. to be continued
You forget that the point is that lack or progress and dirty politics (at least perceived) is what we are seeking the eliminate. Whether they balance the budget or not is of no importance because when your revenue stream is cut off (no payment of property taxes) then you won't even have a budget to balance or you cannot sustain services. So, the State if Tennessee will come in and take over. RESET BUTTON we all need!
JackB

Dandridge, TN

#120 May 19, 2013
If you want to see all the politicians squirm then organize a mass protest not to pay any property taxes. If there are no dirty politics, then they have nothing to worry about. Once the State of Tennessee comes in and takes over then you will finally get your independent audit. You will see people who think themselves holier than thou dropping like flies or going to prison. The people have the power to end this corruption and let Greeneville and Greene County progress. All you have to do is cut off the revenue stream and not pay any property taxes and convince a large portion of the people to do the same. All it takes is the balls to make that leap.

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