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fighting chance

Bristol, TN

#1 Oct 29, 2012
I am not originally from Greeneville. I moved here with my family several years ago. About the time my daughter graduated from college. My daughter teaches and had worked in another state after graduation. When she moved here she had no luck getting hired. This was quite puzzling since she had already taught and had a good resume. We have come to understand that the area's definition of being "highly qualified" means "knowing someone". Our daughter has since moved away and was hired immediately upon completing her first interview. They couldn't believe she had been turned down. I am not very familiar with what you all call "the good old boy system". I am quite sure different areas call this practice different things. My two cents worth is this, if times continue to be hard pressed for jobs, I believe individuals will begin, like in other areas of the United States, requesting for investigations into hiring practices. That's a LOT of power for individuals to have. I would assume that it is the Directors who handle the hiring, if not then who? It makes us sad that our daughter had to move away to be appreciated. We certainly did not have a local last name and we are not even sure her resume was put in the local archieves. Reading all the publicity has made us wonder if she ever even had a fighting chance.
Transplant

Jonesborough, TN

#2 Oct 29, 2012
fighting chance wrote:
I am not originally from Greeneville. I moved here with my family several years ago. About the time my daughter graduated from college. My daughter teaches and had worked in another state after graduation. When she moved here she had no luck getting hired. This was quite puzzling since she had already taught and had a good resume. We have come to understand that the area's definition of being "highly qualified" means "knowing someone". Our daughter has since moved away and was hired immediately upon completing her first interview. They couldn't believe she had been turned down. I am not very familiar with what you all call "the good old boy system". I am quite sure different areas call this practice different things. My two cents worth is this, if times continue to be hard pressed for jobs, I believe individuals will begin, like in other areas of the United States, requesting for investigations into hiring practices. That's a LOT of power for individuals to have. I would assume that it is the Directors who handle the hiring, if not then who? It makes us sad that our daughter had to move away to be appreciated. We certainly did not have a local last name and we are not even sure her resume was put in the local archieves. Reading all the publicity has made us wonder if she ever even had a fighting chance.
I am an experienced teacher with excellent references and magna cum laude GPA who has lived here for more than six years. Not only have I been unable to find a teaching job, I have not even been able to secure an interview. I have done the meet and greet with every principal. I have been told "we prefer to hire our own kind around here" I have been asked if I have family here and what church I attend during informal conversations with local school officials. I have met many others in the same boat, about half have moved away, and like your daughter have been hired immediately. Some sit at home. Others, have taken minimum wage jobs just to pay the bills. I am beyond discouraged, but found by looking at teaching credentials listed on school websites here, that only about one in 50 teachers is from someplace else and of those most have gone back to school locally to get their masters degree. It is definitely who you know and who you are related to here. Unfortunately, all these local teachers who seem to work furiously to get a masters from a local college really aren't that impressive. The entire system is five to 10 years behind my old school district.
My husband has experienced the same kind of problems in his job search and now works for half what he made in our home state. We are biding our time until we can sell our property and leave this place.
I would not recommend moving here to anyone who actually needs to work for a living. The community is "clannish" to put it mildly and as long as someone's daughter/cousin/uncle, needs a job they are not qualified for, they are going to get it over a qualified foreigner every single time. That's just the way it is and unfortunately the nepotism/prejudice runs so deep we will long be dead before it changes.
theangryguy

Athens, TN

#3 Oct 29, 2012
No one will be able to find work in Greeneville unless you are related or very close friends of the employer! I've said this numerous times now, Greeneville employers/businesses are crooked and stingy when it comes to money! Greeneville businesses do need to be investigated because of their way of hiring. I find that most people don't agree with me on this subject but, one day they will see that I was right all along.
so true

Elizabethton, TN

#4 Oct 29, 2012
So true. Forget being sure you have the best qualified teacher in the classroom. There are so many family members and friends in the central office and classroom, it's not even funny... And they wonder why their scores haven't improved very much.... even with millions more dollars put into the system. The public is starting to look into how this school system works. It would be shocking I bet if we knew what the Chairman and his wife make from the school system. They're retired. Now they're getting paid to be chairman of the board and a supervisor that makes over $40,000 for 120 days of work. Plus retirement, plus retirement benefits, which includes insurance 100% paid by us. No wonder they need higher taxes they have to pay all these "retired" people to come back. Crazy!!!1
sorry to say

Gallatin, TN

#5 Oct 29, 2012
Transplant wrote:
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I am an experienced teacher with excellent references and magna cum laude GPA who has lived here for more than six years. Not only have I been unable to find a teaching job, I have not even been able to secure an interview. I have done the meet and greet with every principal. I have been told "we prefer to hire our own kind around here" I have been asked if I have family here and what church I attend during informal conversations with local school officials. I have met many others in the same boat, about half have moved away, and like your daughter have been hired immediately. Some sit at home. Others, have taken minimum wage jobs just to pay the bills. I am beyond discouraged, but found by looking at teaching credentials listed on school websites here, that only about one in 50 teachers is from someplace else and of those most have gone back to school locally to get their masters degree. It is definitely who you know and who you are related to here. Unfortunately, all these local teachers who seem to work furiously to get a masters from a local college really aren't that impressive. The entire system is five to 10 years behind my old school district.
My husband has experienced the same kind of problems in his job search and now works for half what he made in our home state. We are biding our time until we can sell our property and leave this place.
I would not recommend moving here to anyone who actually needs to work for a living. The community is "clannish" to put it mildly and as long as someone's daughter/cousin/uncle, needs a job they are not qualified for, they are going to get it over a qualified foreigner every single time. That's just the way it is and unfortunately the nepotism/prejudice runs so deep we will long be dead before it changes.
It ain't just the people who move here that are treated unfairly.
Interested

Hendersonville, TN

#6 Oct 29, 2012
This is an interesting forum.
Actually

Murfreesboro, TN

#7 Oct 29, 2012
Many students within the schools are also treated unfairly. There are "chosen ones" who are predetermined to receive scholarships, athletic positions and other "perks" simply because of who they are. Other students are only just "space fillers" inside the schools. It doesn't matter what they do or don't do because it won't make a difference in this "buddy school system".
theangryguy

Athens, TN

#8 Oct 29, 2012
The School system is so crooked. The whole school board needs to be replaced by people that treat everyone equal. The schools officials and teachers treat the kids badly, only as a commodity but will do what they can to help the kids who has parents that spend their time and money donating to the schools or even related to the teachers. The county's Central office are completely worthless when it comes to asking for help for your child. The school always wants to blame the home for everything but they will die before admitting the problem started in school. They should fire them all and get teachers and board member and other officials and get non-prejudice people in.
Frustrated

Greeneville, TN

#9 Dec 31, 2013
It is nice to know that I am not the only one who feels this way. It is unfortunate that Greene County Schools are really missing out on eager over qualified teachers and hiring those they know. The papers say this practice is going away, however, I see less qualified teachers than myself, who can not even get an interview, hired every year. I aso see my children receive little recognition because they do not have the right last name. When will people stand up and demand that this practice come to an end? Hopefully before we turn more excellent non local educators away and our unknown children suffer low self-esteem and poor performance.
parents who care

Greeneville, TN

#10 Dec 31, 2013
It would be nice to see teachers hired based on their desire to really help our kids not just because he or she knows the people that do the hiring. I have 3 kids who have went through the county schools and while some teachers were great many left a lot to be desired. Unfair practice in education appears here to stay. Sorry for the good qualified teachers out there who don't stand a chance!
hmmmm

Greeneville, TN

#11 Jan 21, 2014
What is wrong with this school system? Opinions on how employees are hired? Are there any good caring teachers?
Teresa

United States

#12 Jan 23, 2014
I wanted this bumped back to the top.
GvilleGal

United States

#13 Jan 23, 2014
Aaw Teresa you re so nice thats cute you stir up trouble aww do you have anything betta to do ? I like my school system.
parents who care

Greeneville, TN

#14 Jan 27, 2014
Trouble, the system should be in trouble for running good teachers out if the area to work!
long time resident

Maggie Valley, NC

#15 Jan 27, 2014
I have personally seen the good old buddy system work. A girl was in college and because at the time her father in law was on the school board she had a job waiting on her when she graduated college with two years to go. That was over 20 years ago and it has gotten worse. If your son or daughter around here is not hired they will say we will sue when the son/daughter is not qualified. When it comes to teachers it should be about what is best for the kids. Not who is going to get sued or who's back is going to get scratched. Shameful. Just look at central office.
Why

Tallahassee, FL

#16 Jan 27, 2014
Transplant wrote:
<quoted text>
I am an experienced teacher with excellent references and magna cum laude GPA who has lived here for more than six years. Not only have I been unable to find a teaching job, I have not even been able to secure an interview. I have done the meet and greet with every principal. I have been told "we prefer to hire our own kind around here" I have been asked if I have family here and what church I attend during informal conversations with local school officials. I have met many others in the same boat, about half have moved away, and like your daughter have been hired immediately. Some sit at home. Others, have taken minimum wage jobs just to pay the bills. I am beyond discouraged, but found by looking at teaching credentials listed on school websites here, that only about one in 50 teachers is from someplace else and of those most have gone back to school locally to get their masters degree. It is definitely who you know and who you are related to here. Unfortunately, all these local teachers who seem to work furiously to get a masters from a local college really aren't that impressive. The entire system is five to 10 years behind my old school district.
My husband has experienced the same kind of problems in his job search and now works for half what he made in our home state. We are biding our time until we can sell our property and leave this place.
I would not recommend moving here to anyone who actually needs to work for a living. The community is "clannish" to put it mildly and as long as someone's daughter/cousin/uncle, needs a job they are not qualified for, they are going to get it over a qualified foreigner every single time. That's just the way it is and unfortunately the nepotism/prejudice runs so deep we will long be dead before it changes.
May I ask why you moved to the area? Top three reason would be helpful. TIA
parents who care

Greeneville, TN

#17 Jan 27, 2014
Why would the reason someone moved here even be relevant? People move for lots of reasons. If the person is more qualified than a locally born applicant, they should at least have a chance to do what they love to do. It should be about who has the better credentials, not who you know or what your last name is. This is obviously the case in Greene County.
not from around here 1997

Greeneville, TN

#18 Feb 6, 2014
fighting chance wrote:
I am not originally from Greeneville. I moved here with my family several years ago. About the time my daughter graduated from college. My daughter teaches and had worked in another state after graduation. When she moved here she had no luck getting hired. This was quite puzzling since she had already taught and had a good resume. We have come to understand that the area's definition of being "highly qualified" means "knowing someone". Our daughter has since moved away and was hired immediately upon completing her first interview. They couldn't believe she had been turned down. I am not very familiar with what you all call "the good old boy system". I am quite sure different areas call this practice different things. My two cents worth is this, if times continue to be hard pressed for jobs, I believe individuals will begin, like in other areas of the United States, requesting for investigations into hiring practices. That's a LOT of power for individuals to have. I would assume that it is the Directors who handle the hiring, if not then who? It makes us sad that our daughter had to move away to be appreciated. We certainly did not have a local last name and we are not even sure her resume was put in the local archieves. Reading all the publicity has made us wonder if she ever even had a fighting chance.
In the Greeneville City Schools, a lot is who you know. Any teachers hired as far as I know, must have or be obtaining a Masters Degree. And I'm sure there are TN specific certifications. There is more turnover in the higher grades but not much. An elementary position usually starts with a fill in or spouse already employed with GCS.
not from around here 1997

Greeneville, TN

#19 Feb 6, 2014
long time resident wrote:
I have personally seen the good old buddy system work. A girl was in college and because at the time her father in law was on the school board she had a job waiting on her when she graduated college with two years to go. That was over 20 years ago and it has gotten worse. If your son or daughter around here is not hired they will say we will sue when the son/daughter is not qualified. When it comes to teachers it should be about what is best for the kids. Not who is going to get sued or who's back is going to get scratched. Shameful. Just look at central office.
And it filters down to the sports teams, cheerleaders, you name it. I am an RN and my first interview here started with, "Last name, are you related to so-&-so/" I was lucky I ever got hired!!
Retired and lovoing it

Ashburn, VA

#20 Feb 6, 2014
You can never be to careful when hiring people that will work around our children.

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