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Since: Jul 11

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#21 Jan 9, 2013
DarKPenguiN wrote:
...Well, very sad.
I know James King from way back when he lived in Michigan and was much younger- Hell, looking at his photo from this bust and I am amazed that we are the same age- He looks like he has lived a hard life.
I must say, this whole thing is surprising. Granted, its been over 15 years since I have really known the "King's" but Meth??? They have always been pretty hard partying people- But not with "hard drugs" if that make sense.
Anyhow, I was hoping to comment here and express something which really bugs me about all this- James has a Son (who is now an adult) who was trying to help him get away from that area- His Son was going to pay for a Bus ticket last month and James was planning on coming back up here- He did not, and look where he is now.
Its so sad to me to see an old friend caught up in all this- James was always a really good friend to me as was his entire family- I have no idea what happened here but the idea that Debbie (his Mom) knew what was going on and is being charged is also disturbing and (truthfully) I find it very hard to believe. I have known Debbie and have never known her to be around anything like this, in fact I have never even seen Debbie in intoxicated and at most have only seen her drink a beer or two.
-My feelings are that the Police are being very shady here and trying to wrap everyone up for charges who probably have no business being charged- yet the State will make more money and (possibly) seize assets. The Police can be the biggest thieves of all.
This whole thing is saddening. Its sad to know that a once good friend has thrown his life away to drugs- Its sad to see the totalitarian State arresting everyone- The whole things...Is ...Just sad.
Not once did you mention the unborn child being abused by his Great Grandfather,Grandmother,mother ,father and uncle. This baby will endure horrific pain and suffering! You did manage to blame the cops,and the state of Tn.,which is plain stupid. You sound like the same trash you came here to defend.
DarKPenguiN

Jackson, MI

#22 Jan 9, 2013
Traveler wrote:
<quoted text> No, the police are NOT the shady ones in this mess and NO the police are not the thieves. You know the truth, but do not want to accept it. How many times over the years has James said he's going to leave town? Just every time he gets into trouble or his girl has dumped him. How many times has he been in jail? How many people has he assaulted? James is a serial criminal. You're obviously worried about the property being seized because you have a familial interest in it. I hope it is seized and auctioned off. The house itself needs to be demolished. You make yourself sound ridiculous with the points you're trying to make.
You make some broad assumptions- As I said (and could care what someone from 'topix' thinks) I knew the family approx 15 years ago and was friends with James.I have no idea why you would imagine I am his "family" or have any clue as to the condition of the home- However it sounds like you have lots of information concerning the home (and the lab) which has not been in the paper- Maybe you should be charged since its obvious you have been there and saw "a lab"-

Being against asset forfeiture is a humane thing- Means nothing about a personal stake. And yes, Police can be thieves. Folks having their property being taken and given to Police forces is a bad incentive for Police to focus on "where the money is"- Years ago they were taking homes for growing cannabis (which is now practically legal)- It didnt make it right just because its the "law".

Anyhow, I reiterate- When I knew the "Kings" they were never into hard drugs. As far as James being a "serial" criminal- You may be correct, but he wasnt when I knew him- In fact, The few years we hung out I never saw him in any trouble whatsoever and the only law he broke (that I am aware of) was drinking underage which I think we all did.

-Anyhow , your information about the house is interesting- When was the last time you were there >? And if the Police had swarmed the home and you were visiting would you deserve to be "caught up" in what someone else was doing? I certainly do not.

-And again - There is no way they are "major" drug dealers. Your Police are lying and trying to pat themselves on the back. The guy is on my Facebook and always broke- His Son recently sent him money for a bus ticket... maybe you do things differently in the South BUT in the North we call "major drug dealers" people who have their own homes, cars and money- Not someone so broke they live with Mom and grandpa and cannot afford a bus ticket

-But keep telling yourself what you will- You are wrong.

That said- I am totally against meth (and any hard drugs) and it was my understanding that james was as well- Which is why this is surprising.
DarKPenguiN

Jackson, MI

#23 Jan 9, 2013
Watching17 wrote:
<quoted text>Not once did you mention the unborn child being abused by his Great Grandfather,Grandmother,mother ,father and uncle. This baby will endure horrific pain and suffering! You did manage to blame the cops,and the state of Tn.,which is plain stupid. You sound like the same trash you came here to defend.
What are you talking about?

How is an unborn child" abused by all these people?

Anyhow I havnt a clue whos unborn child it even is- Nor do I care. What does that have to do with an 85 year old mans home being seized?

In fact, what does that have to do with anything? And who am I defending? I first commented on how sad the whole thing is (since I knew these people) and then mentioned that seizing a home and calling them major drug dealers is ridiculous.

Anyhow... So maybe Wal mart Employees are responsible for someones unborn child as well? Since I am sure the Mom carried the unborn baby into wal mart and maybe was on drugs at the time- See how stupid that is- What some pregnant woman does or does not do is on her and her alone and not the fault of anyone else. The places she frequents are her choices .

Since: Jul 11

Charlotte, NC

#24 Jan 9, 2013
DarKPenguiN wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you talking about?
How is an unborn child" abused by all these people?
Anyhow I havnt a clue whos unborn child it even is- Nor do I care. What does that have to do with an 85 year old mans home being seized?
In fact, what does that have to do with anything? And who am I defending? I first commented on how sad the whole thing is (since I knew these people) and then mentioned that seizing a home and calling them major drug dealers is ridiculous.
Anyhow... So maybe Wal mart Employees are responsible for someones unborn child as well? Since I am sure the Mom carried the unborn baby into wal mart and maybe was on drugs at the time- See how stupid that is- What some pregnant woman does or does not do is on her and her alone and not the fault of anyone else. The places she frequents are her choices .
If you don't understand, you're beyond the help I can give you. As for your "stupid" analogy, it speaks for it's self.(((shaking head)))
DarKPenguiN

Jackson, MI

#25 Jan 9, 2013
Watching17 wrote:
<quoted text> If you don't understand, you're beyond the help I can give you. As for your "stupid" analogy, it speaks for it's self.(((shaking head)))
Hmmm- So who is being charged with "abusing an unborn baby"- You stated the Grandpa,and everyone else.

All I found was charges for some law that is on the MOTHER. I am not sure who the "Mother" is (is it Kristin or the other girl?) but if the Mother is frequenting a drug house or using drugs it is nobodys fault but her own and how the hell can anyone be charged for what she is doing to herself and her "baby".

If you think they are all being charged with "abuse" (for some dumb inbred girl using meth while pregnant) I would love to see a link. In fact this would open up a whole new avenue for charges for a pregnant woman doing anything to herself including drinking.

And no- I am not a bleeding heart who thinks "its for the children"- If the Mom was using meth that is her charge and not the whole damn towns just because she happens to be knocked up.

-Yes, that is stupid.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#26 Jan 9, 2013
OMG those comments make me sick! Seriously??

Surely you have read Haley's Law? It is not just "some" law.

http://state.tn.us/tccy/tnchild/39/39-15-402....

(4) The act of abuse, neglect or endangerment results from the knowing exposure of a child to the initiation of a process intended to result in the manufacture of methamphetamine as described in 39-17-435.

Since: Jul 11

Charlotte, NC

#27 Jan 9, 2013
blackcatgreeneyes wrote:
OMGk those comments make me sick! Seriously??
Surely you have read Haley's Law? It is not just "some" law.
http://state.tn.us/tccy/tnchild/39/39-15-402....
(4) The act of abuse, neglect or endangerment results from the knowing exposure of a child to the initiation of a process intended to result in the manufacture of methamphetamine as described in 39-17-435.
Good luck, with the know it all yankee..doubt you will be hearing any more from her.
DarKPenguiN

Jackson, MI

#28 Jan 9, 2013
blackcatgreeneyes wrote:
OMG those comments make me sick! Seriously??
Surely you have read Haley's Law? It is not just "some" law.
http://state.tn.us/tccy/tnchild/39/39-15-402....
(4) The act of abuse, neglect or endangerment results from the knowing exposure of a child to the initiation of a process intended to result in the manufacture of methamphetamine as described in 39-17-435.
Are you dense?

Seriously????

I never said the "Mother" shouldnt be charge- I was responding to the idiot who said the "grandfather" was abusing an unborn baby.. My point was that the baby was the "Mothers" problem... My point is that even a drug dealer (a real one) selling drugs directly to a pregnant woman is the fault of the MOTHER.It is personal responsibility.

As a bartender (I am not btw...) I cannot be held liable for serving a pregnant woman as its not my problem and some women do not even show for many months.

-Boy that line of thinking is backwards.

Mom uses drugs while pregnant so it must be the drug dealers fault? Mom drinks while pregnant do it must be the bartenders fault?

The Law you cite would hold culpability on the mother and not some random person who happens to be around the mother.

That would be my point...And if "Mom" was a methhead while pregnant I am certain she is not the type of person who needs children anyhow or we will have another generation of non working criminals living with three generations under one roof and it will be societies problems.

That Law hold the Mom responsible (as it should)
DarKPenguiN

Jackson, MI

#30 Jan 9, 2013
Whatever wrote:
I got nothing in this, but if the other people knew she was pregnant and they were all doing drugs together, don't you think they should try to stop her? If you are out with a friend and he kills someone, and you keep it quiet, see if you don't get charged also when the police find out. It,s kind of like watching your friends raping a girl, but doing nothing to stop it. Hope this explains it better, if not, nothing will.
In theory- Yes.

But if we are talking about hard drugs (in this case meth) I would imagine the users are having enough issues than to worry about someones unborn baby... Addicts generally reach a point where they dont care about their own kids (if they have them) n or their own life since the drugs are all that matters- So in practice, once that road is reached (addiction) they have plenty of their own issues to deal with than someones unborn baby- The mother should take the responsibility on that one.

-But yes, we are in agreement as to what "should" be done- But to place a felony charge on anyone but the mother is ridiculous."Right" and "wrong" do not necessarily need be legislated with jail time attached. To me this is an issue of personal responsibility.

And for the person with the "Yankee" comment... How "sixth grade" can we get. First off my family is from Tennessee originally (not your town but a pace called Harrimen I think) and my family fought and died on the side of the Confederacy over States Rights (not Slavers)and there have been books mentioning my family (on my moms side)for their efforts with the confederacy.In the 1940s they came to Michigan to work in the auto plants and I was "born" here and like the North- I am not ignorant enough to think you are a "rebel" or adhere to Southern Sterotypes and I would appreciate the same.

-We are all people with a very bad Government right now- We are pretty much in this together.

If you took my comment about "inbred" mother to mean anything detrimental towards the South , I am sorry- I would have used the same term for a Canadian mom who uses meth as well- It does not take a rocket scientist to see than a pregnant woman using drugs is a pretty inbred thing to do.

Since: Jul 11

Mauldin, SC

#31 Jan 9, 2013
DarKPenguiN wrote:
<quoted text>
In theory- Yes.
But if we are talking about hard drugs (in this case meth) I would imagine the users are having enough issues than to worry about someones unborn baby... Addicts generally reach a point where they dont care about their own kids (if they have them) n or their own life since the drugs are all that matters- So in practice, once that road is reached (addiction) they have plenty of their own issues to deal with than someones unborn baby- The mother should take the responsibility on that one.
-But yes, we are in agreement as to what "should" be done- But to place a felony charge on anyone but the mother is ridiculous."Right" and "wrong" do not necessarily need be legislated with jail time attached. To me this is an issue of personal responsibility.
And for the person with the "Yankee" comment... How "sixth grade" can we get. First off my family is from Tennessee originally (not your town but a pace called Harrimen I think) and my family fought and died on the side of the Confederacy over States Rights (not Slavers)and there have been books mentioning my family (on my moms side)for their efforts with the confederacy.In the 1940s they came to Michigan to work in the auto plants and I was "born" here and like the North- I am not ignorant enough to think you are a "rebel" or adhere to Southern Sterotypes and I would appreciate the same.
-We are all people with a very bad Government right now- We are pretty much in this together.
If you took my comment about "inbred" mother to mean anything detrimental towards the South , I am sorry- I would have used the same term for a Canadian mom who uses meth as well- It does not take a rocket scientist to see than a pregnant woman using drugs is a pretty inbred thing to do.
First I call BS on you or anyone else using the word inbred on a Canadian,you said what you said ,so own it. I would have excepted you apology had it not come with attachments but it did.

Again your analogy is completely wrong. They were "cooking"a deadly drug, not just using or selling. Yet they allowed a womam who is carrying a baby to be in a poisoned house. Not only a poisoned house but one that could have blown up at anytime. Yes she is responsible but so are they!

Since: Jul 11

Mauldin, SC

#32 Jan 9, 2013
If the owner of the home is deemed incapable of knowing what was going on, the charges against him will be dropped,and abuse of the elderly will be added to your friends charges. I for one am tired of paying to clean up after these meth labs.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#33 Jan 9, 2013
Now I will have to wish you good luck Watching and I totally agree with your posts. I am apparently too "dense" to know what I am talking about. Seeing that this person is not from here helps me understand their ignorance.
DarKPenguiN

Jackson, MI

#34 Jan 9, 2013
Watching17 wrote:
<quoted text>First I call BS on you or anyone else using the word inbred on a Canadian,you said what you said ,so own it. I would have excepted you apology had it not come with attachments but it did.
Again your analogy is completely wrong. They were "cooking"a deadly drug, not just using or selling. Yet they allowed a womam who is carrying a baby to be in a poisoned house. Not only a poisoned house but one that could have blown up at anytime. Yes she is responsible but so are they!
Inbred can only mean southerners? our words, not mine. Again, I would use the same term about a Canadian, an Britt, a Russian or a Michigander.

Again, if in your world you think someone cooking "deadly meth" should concern themselves with someones unborn baby- Enjoy your Police State. I am all about personal responsibility.

I am also against asset forfeiture.

But worry not- Your Police State is coming (its partially here) and if the laws are like that down South it is a place I am glad to avoid. Here a pregnant Woman who puts HERSELF into a dangerous situation is the responsible party.

Anyhow... Tired of arguing pointless things. We disagree. I abhor the Police State.
DarKPenguiN

Jackson, MI

#35 Jan 9, 2013
blackcatgreeneyes wrote:
Now I will have to wish you good luck Watching and I totally agree with your posts. I am apparently too "dense" to know what I am talking about. Seeing that this person is not from here helps me understand their ignorance.
LOl Look at your Topix and tell me about "MY ignorance"- The Topix says alot about your town and what you are all about . Rumor Mongering seems to be the main activity.

Now look at the Topix from my city.

Who is ignorant? We have better things to do here than discuss who "chews tobacco" in high school and who is sleeping with who- Or who is going to "burn in hell"-

I know little about your city (or your State for that matter) but based on what I am seeing is discussed- I think it will remain as such.
STFU

Hermitage, TN

#36 Jan 9, 2013
DarKPenguiN, you are a hypocrite and you keep contradicting yourself with each post. If you don't like this Topix forum, by all means STFU and go elsewhere.
DEMOCRALYPSE

Lexington, NC

#37 Jan 9, 2013
All of this would go back to the abortion debate.This is no different. If you are pro-abortion it is no different.
funny

Greeneville, TN

#38 Jan 9, 2013
Tracker wrote:
I'm so glad the meth lab on Peppermint Lane was discovered and all those losers were arrested. Even an 85 yr old man! I hope the judge throws the book at them!
I think you need to consider the 85 yr old man didnt know what the hell was going on and just got charged cause he owns the land. Why dont you get your facts straight before you run your mouth.....
funny

Greeneville, TN

#39 Jan 9, 2013
Watching17 wrote:
<quoted text>Not once did you mention the unborn child being abused by his Great Grandfather,Grandmother,mother ,father and uncle. This baby will endure horrific pain and suffering! You did manage to blame the cops,and the state of Tn.,which is plain stupid. You sound like the same trash you came here to defend.
No they dont sound like the trash thier defending sounds like they know them and your dumb ass is making accusations about something you dont know about. The unborn baby was no kin to them just happened to be there with one of the family members. Shows how much you know and another thing I know the family and I would say Debbie didnt know what was going on hell she let the police in didnt she. Does it sound like she was hiding anything. People kill me thinking they can judge when they dont know what the hell thier talking about......
Coffee Lover

Greeneville, TN

#40 Jan 9, 2013
funny wrote:
<quoted text>I think you need to consider the 85 yr old man didnt know what the hell was going on and just got charged cause he owns the land. Why dont you get your facts straight before you run your mouth.....
Anyone that knows Grandpa King, knows that he's been in the "business" along with other in his family for years. He may be 85 years old, but he's known exactly what's been going on. He's no innocent by any means.
funny

Greeneville, TN

#41 Jan 9, 2013
Well Coffee Lover sounds like you've had a few dealings with them yourself. Grandpa King as you call him may not be completely out of touch with reality but "meth" come on if you know them so well you would know this is something not everyone knows the smell unless you been there yourself. Hell I wouldnt. I think it's so funny how people can know someone so well and still know nothing about anything, just something to do I guess when you get bored... The pregnant girl everyone is so worried about knew what she was doing and didnt care, and yes she was charged with Haleys Law as she should of been. The father everyone seems to think they know it all was Jesse Willett the other one charged with manufacturing. The baby was the last thing on anyones mind especially the mother who should be the most concerned. She is the only one charged with Haleys Law as she should be the only one.

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