Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9767 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Help

Cookeville, TN

#9175 Apr 5, 2014
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9176 Apr 5, 2014
Armadillo

Paris, TN

#9177 Apr 5, 2014
Get Real wrote:
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News? where's the cited study?
The autism which is so prevalent today isn't Leo Kanner's autism.
Kanner, a psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins, recognised children sent to his clinic with similar characteristics, which he named “early infantile autism”. In his original description, Kanner noted that in most cases the child’s behaviour was abnormal from early infancy, suggesting the disorder was present from birth. Upon reading his book, even the mothers described the infants were different from birth.
The autism we see today is vastly different, these children meet all their milestones until the age of 12 to 18 months.
Many mothers describe a child who, after receiving several vaccines in one day as reacting with a high fever, high pitched; inconsolable scream, then silence.
In case you aren't aware, this perfectly describes vaccine induced encephalopathy. Which is a table injury in VICP.
Bailey Banks is a (recent) perfect example.
Citation?
Tucker

Franklin, TN

#9178 Apr 6, 2014
Unredneck wrote:
Trust you anti-vaccine peeps have seen the news recently that says autism actually starts in utero? Before a child EVER gets a vaccine!
Many fetuses are vaccinated in utero via the mother with flu vaccine, dTap, Rho-gam. You are incorrect to assume "in utero" equals "before a child EVER gets a vaccine".
Reading is Fundamental

Martin, TN

#9179 Apr 6, 2014
Armadillo wrote:
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Your first statement is quite nonsensical. The most that can be said regarding my comment is that it contradicts your claim that no outrageous claims have been on this forum. However, you have written that the statement is not contradictory for that very reason.
Regarding your other comments. Many of the comments made on this forum arguing against immunization are derived from anecdotal evidence, the pharmaceuticals are out to screw the public and a misguided notion that some human beings (our children) are our property.
If you believe that medical science, or any science, can be vetted by persons not trained in the relevant science, then I suggest you contact you plumber, English Professor, or day laborer in order to diagnose and treat your next medical malady.
Clearly, given the judgement my post received, there was nothing nonsensical or outrageous about my statement at all. You spend more time personally attacking users here than offering up actual facts. This makes you a jerk. Period.
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9180 Apr 6, 2014
Armadillo wrote:
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Citation?
Well, read Leo's book. Then read the VICP transcripts on Bailey Banks.

I'm not here to do the research for you.
Help

Cookeville, TN

#9181 Apr 6, 2014
Anti-vaccine movement is giving diseases a 2nd life

Kathryn Riffenburg decided on a closed casket for her baby's funeral.

She didn't want her family to see what whooping cough, her son's first illness, had done to 9-week-old Brady Alcaide. The nearly forgotten disease, which has in recent years afflicted thousands of Americans, left Brady's tiny body swollen and unrecognizable.

So his mother dressed him in a white baptismal suit and hat and tucked him into a tiny white casket. Brady's burial came just four weeks after his first laugh — inspired by her version of I'm a Little Teapot — and two weeks after his family learned that he had contracted a vaccine-preventable illness.

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/health/2014/04...
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9182 Apr 6, 2014
"The resurgence of pertussis in countries with high vaccination coverage has been attributed to a number of factors, including increased awareness with regard to the disease, improved diagnostics, waning vaccine-induced immunity and pathogen adaptation."

You read that right "pathogen adaptation"

The vaccine is failing.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2...
Help

Cookeville, TN

#9183 Apr 6, 2014
Besser said that the overall rate of non-vaccinated children, about 4.5%, was not statistically humongous, but that the refusal tended to happen in particular (and usually affluent) communities, where the rate can grow to as much as 20%.“That’s a ticking time bomb,” he said.“I think if you want to send your kid to public school, there should be no ifs, ands, or buts about it.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/abc-news-medical-e...

Interesting that it is the more well off communities that don't vaccinate and risk their children. Maybe the one percent will become less of a problem...
Get Real

Lexington, TN

#9184 Apr 6, 2014
Help wrote:
Besser said that the overall rate of non-vaccinated children, about 4.5%, was not statistically humongous, but that the refusal tended to happen in particular (and usually affluent) communities, where the rate can grow to as much as 20%.“That’s a ticking time bomb,” he said.“I think if you want to send your kid to public school, there should be no ifs, ands, or buts about it.”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/abc-news-medical-e...
Interesting that it is the more well off communities that don't vaccinate and risk their children. Maybe the one percent will become less of a problem...
NIH vs abc news.

ok.
Armadillo

Paris, TN

#9185 Apr 8, 2014
Get Real wrote:
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Well, read Leo's book. Then read the VICP transcripts on Bailey Banks.
I'm not here to do the research for you.
You wabt to convince me of something then you need to provide specifics as to where you obrained yout information.

That is expected in any discussion. If you do not understand that then you are lazy, dishonest or simply unaware.

You make the claim, you back it up with argument and proper citations. If you do not, or unable to do that then you know notjing about proper research.

“Concerned in Tennessee”

Since: Dec 07

Knoxville, TN

#9186 Apr 8, 2014
Independent wrote:
It should be up to the parents
Even though some parents are ignorant morons? What else should be "up to the parents?" What about molesting your kids... up the parents? Providing food for your kids or letting them starve... up to the parents? Refusing to let them have a blood transfusion that would save their life due to religious reasons... up to the parents?

I think people should have to take a test and get a license before they are allowed to breed. One of those questions should be: "do immunizations sometimes cause autism?" If you answer yes, you fail, and have to go actually take a class and research the issue instead of relying on hearsay and rumor like it is "fact."
Free Man

Knoxville, TN

#9187 Apr 8, 2014
TN Reader wrote:
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Even though some parents are ignorant morons? What else should be "up to the parents?" What about molesting your kids... up the parents? Providing food for your kids or letting them starve... up to the parents? Refusing to let them have a blood transfusion that would save their life due to religious reasons... up to the parents?
I think people should have to take a test and get a license before they are allowed to breed. One of those questions should be: "do immunizations sometimes cause autism?" If you answer yes, you fail, and have to go actually take a class and research the issue instead of relying on hearsay and rumor like it is "fact."
The answer to all those questions (that do not violate an existing law such as molestation or starvation) should be up to the parent. This is still a free country and no we do not need the government to approve "breeding" like the Chinese. You don'y like it, move to China and see how well it works for you. Idiot.
Armadillo

Paris, TN

#9188 Apr 8, 2014
Free Man wrote:
<quoted text>The answer to all those questions (that do not violate an existing law such as molestation or starvation) should be up to the parent. This is still a free country and no we do not need the government to approve "breeding" like the Chinese. You don'y like it, move to China and see how well it works for you. Idiot.
So you are saying that unless there is a law against molestation then it would be up to the parents whether to refrain from molesting their children.

regarding "The answer to all those questions (that do not violate an existing law such as molestation or starvation) should be up to the parent".

If indeed the deciding factor here is the law, then in any state that requires immunization, the parent is no longer free to refuse to immunize. The case is no different than "in any state that requires the parent to feed their children, the parent is no longer free to refuse to feed their children.

So, your response here is hardly coherent.
Armadillo

Paris, TN

#9189 Apr 8, 2014
Reading is Fundamental wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly, given the judgement my post received, there was nothing nonsensical or outrageous about my statement at all. You spend more time personally attacking users here than offering up actual facts. This makes you a jerk. Period.
The fact is that you cannot tell the difference between:

1. Attacking the statements you make as not being based on sound scientific evidence

And

2. Attacking the person who makes such and such a statement.

I freely admit to 1. My disagreeing with what you believe is not an attack on the person but on e belief.

Compare this with the following instance of 2.

You are the jerk because you believe that those who disagree with your claims whose truths are dubious are jerks.

To make it quite simple: merely because we disagree about something does not make the one or the other of us a jerk.
Free Man

Knoxville, TN

#9190 Apr 8, 2014
Armadillo wrote:
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So you are saying that unless there is a law against molestation then it would be up to the parents whether to refrain from molesting their children.
regarding "The answer to all those questions (that do not violate an existing law such as molestation or starvation) should be up to the parent".
If indeed the deciding factor here is the law, then in any state that requires immunization, the parent is no longer free to refuse to immunize. The case is no different than "in any state that requires the parent to feed their children, the parent is no longer free to refuse to feed their children.
So, your response here is hardly coherent.
No dumbazz. That means that if a law exists, then it should be followed. The response is perfectly coherent to anyone above an IQ of about 20. So yes, if the law is that immunization is required to attend school, etc, then it has to be met, or the other option is home schooling where the law does not apply..
Armadillo

Paris, TN

#9191 Apr 8, 2014
Free Man wrote:
<quoted text>No dumbazz. That means that if a law exists, then it should be followed. The response is perfectly coherent to anyone above an IQ of about 20. So yes, if the law is that immunization is required to attend school, etc, then it has to be met, or the other option is home schooling where the law does not apply..
So, if there was a law that required you to kill your best friend, then you would be morally wrong if you did not carry out the execution.

If there is a law stating that because of your race you cannot sit at the front of the bus then you are morally wrong from sitting at the front.

If there is a law that says that you must, because of some disorder that you have then you must terminate yourself.

It seems that your theory that the law dictates morality--rather than morality dictating the law.
Free Man

Knoxville, TN

#9192 Apr 8, 2014
Armadillo wrote:
<quoted text>
So, if there was a law that required you to kill your best friend, then you would be morally wrong if you did not carry out the execution.
If there is a law stating that because of your race you cannot sit at the front of the bus then you are morally wrong from sitting at the front.
If there is a law that says that you must, because of some disorder that you have then you must terminate yourself.
It seems that your theory that the law dictates morality--rather than morality dictating the law.
There isn't, so its a dumbazz question. When one passes, call me. It seems your low IQ dictates your debating skills.
Single Mom

Paducah, KY

#9194 Apr 8, 2014
Top Mod 8 wrote:
Should the state should mandate immunizations for your children? Do you feel they are safe for all children. Do they cause other health issues like autism? Should the state also pay for them as well if they are requiring them?
Yes.

Yes.

No.

Yes.
Armadillo

Paris, TN

#9195 Apr 8, 2014
Free Man wrote:
<quoted text>There isn't, so its a dumbazz question. When one passes, call me. It seems your low IQ dictates your debating skills.
It is apparent that you either did not read the last sentence of my post, or you did read it but did not comprehend it. Let me make it clear for the most challenged reader as you seem to be:

You have confused the comcept of legality with that of morality. Look at the bus example again--that is Rosa Parks.

It seems clear that you have no argument to offer and so you have resorted to name calling and character-assasination. Consequently, it is you who are acting the "dumbazz" and are behaving as one with a low IQ.

You need to grow up.

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