Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

May 4, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Chattanoogan.com

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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I think it is benificial to give reasons for not wanting to take the vaccines.
If one thinks there is something that is harmful I believe people should stand up and say so,give their reasons.
I want to know why someone feels as they do when they feel strongly about an issue like this one.
It does not help matters when this government has no credibility at all.When they basically work for and support Big Pharma,Big Business for cash rewards also know as campaign cash or bribes.
They call those who have come forward(doctors,ect)quacks, fools, and run out of town on the rail, yet these brave souls keep getting back up because they give a damn for people over profit.
I believe these are the ones who one should take seriously.They are losing by standing up yet the continue.

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"The Real Reason Kids Aren't Getting Vaccines."

("Forget Jenny McCarthy. This shot scandal is much scarier.")

Click here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/0...
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Bedrock of vaccination theroy crumbles as science reveals antibodies not necessary to fight virues.
http://whale.to/v/bedrock.html
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Bedrock of vaccination theroy crumbles as science reveals antibodies not necessary to fight virues.
http://whale.to/v/bedrock.html
I can not blame Topix for this screw up.
http://www.whale.to/v/bedrock.html
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Since 1989-Vaccine injury Compensations exceed $2,300,000,000.Paid for by those receiving Vaccines.
Good site.
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/diseases.html

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Done my homework wrote:
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I have not one time suggested that anyone not get vaccinated, what I've said is that it should be the responsibility of the individual, or the parents for their children, not the government. That is what this thread was supposed to be about, if anyone remembers, or bothers to read the title at the top of every page.
There are certain things in our society that require cooperation from the majority in order to be successful.

Those things will fail if left up to the individual, especially if there is some minor cost to the individual.

If auto insurance was not mandated, odds are most drivers wouldn't have any. Then, because most drivers don't have it, the few people that decide they want it would have to pay EXTREMELY high rates because the companies would know that any accident would likely be with someone who couldn't pay for the damages because that other person has no insurance. Higher rates for insurance would mean even less people would have it.

If it was voluntary whether or not you paid property taxes which fund schools, most people who don't have kids wouldn't pay. Even many people who do have kids wouldn't pay, figuring that enough other people would pay to cover what they aren't spending. The schools would be severely under funded.

With vaccination, if only a few people are vaccinated then vaccination is useless. Vaccines don't prevent you from getting a disease. They just make it less likely. The lower the transmission rate, so that if someone gets measles they aren't as likely to pass it on to someone else. However, if not enough people are vaccinated, you won't just run into one person with measles. You'll run into 50 because it keeps spreading. Then, despite the fact that you got vaccinated, you'll catch it anyway due to extended exposure.

The REASON we have a government is to enable programs which benefit the society even if they stand a chance to harm the individual. Allowing individuals to decide whether or not the participate in programs like this defeats the entire purpose of government.

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Hey wrote:
Bedrock of vaccination theroy crumbles as science reveals antibodies not necessary to fight virues.
http://whale.to/v/bedrock.html
As vaccine rates drop, whooping cough returned. Measles returned. Mumps returned.

Polio only exists in areas where people are unvaccinated.

Small pox disapeared only after vaccinations.

You can put up any link you want, the fact of the matter is the historical evidence is ABUNDANTLY clear.

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Hey wrote:
I think it is benificial to give reasons for not wanting to take the vaccines.
If one thinks there is something that is harmful I believe people should stand up and say so,give their reasons.
I want to know why someone feels as they do when they feel strongly about an issue like this one.
It does not help matters when this government has no credibility at all.When they basically work for and support Big Pharma,Big Business for cash rewards also know as campaign cash or bribes.
They call those who have come forward(doctors,ect)quacks, fools, and run out of town on the rail, yet these brave souls keep getting back up because they give a damn for people over profit.
I believe these are the ones who one should take seriously.They are losing by standing up yet the continue.
You don't have a grasp on what the word "credibility" means.

You claim that the anti-vax crowd, which has based its entire argument on fraud is credible, while "government" is not - despite the fact that government uses actual science to prove it's point.

Pharma companies have BENT OVER BACKWARDS to placate the anti-vax crowd. They went so far as to remove thymerisol from vaccines despite the fact that it was CLEARLY not the cause of autism. And, EVEN AFTER REMOVING IT, anti-vaxers are _STILL_ claiming it's present AND is the cause of autism.

Why do they believe this? Because they read about it on the internet from some conspiracy theorist like yourself.
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Nuggin wrote:
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You don't have a grasp on what the word "credibility" means.
You claim that the anti-vax crowd, which has based its entire argument on fraud is credible, while "government" is not - despite the fact that government uses actual science to prove it's point.
Pharma companies have BENT OVER BACKWARDS to placate the anti-vax crowd. They went so far as to remove thymerisol from vaccines despite the fact that it was CLEARLY not the cause of autism. And, EVEN AFTER REMOVING IT, anti-vaxers are _STILL_ claiming it's present AND is the cause of autism.
Why do they believe this? Because they read about it on the internet from some conspiracy theorist like yourself.
Sure. Oh please.
Big Pharma bent over backwards? Like Merck's phony Mumps vaccine their scientists came forward on.How about Bayer's deadly Aids contaminated drug that has killed thousands and they knew,so did the FDA.It was the FDA bending over for Bayer my dear fellow while the people bent over and got screwed.No problem here.
How about Baxters contaminated drugs.And Viox.And of course the ones pulled from the market everytime you turn around.
Don't give me the BS story. Do not give me the BS story.
How much do you get pushing their drugs?
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As vaccine rates drop, whooping cough returned. Measles returned. Mumps returned.
Polio only exists in areas where people are unvaccinated.
Small pox disapeared only after vaccinations.
You can put up any link you want, the fact of the matter is the historical evidence is ABUNDANTLY clear.
Horse crap.
Was Salk anti vac too? Merck scientists?WHO people?ETc,etc.
How come he came forward to the Senate to tell them the polio vac was giving Polio?
How come thousands of kids are screwed up in India from the Polio vac with the help of Bill Gates? Come on tell me that did not happen?
Historical evidence shows the Smallpox Vaccine was giving people Smallpox and the people caught on and mandate was thrown out the window.Why?
I can put up any link I want but they of course are no good cause you say so. You say so historicaly?All righty then.Sure.
Many people,experts,doctors,scienti sts,etc,have come forward.Are you one of those who these links are coming from?
Where are you links? I only see sarcasm.

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Nuggin wrote:
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You don't have a grasp on what the word "credibility" means.
You claim that the anti-vax crowd, which has based its entire argument on fraud is credible, while "government" is not - despite the fact that government uses actual science to prove it's point.
Pharma companies have BENT OVER BACKWARDS to placate the anti-vax crowd. They went so far as to remove thymerisol from vaccines despite the fact that it was CLEARLY not the cause of autism. And, EVEN AFTER REMOVING IT, anti-vaxers are _STILL_ claiming it's present AND is the cause of autism.
Why do they believe this? Because they read about it on the internet from some conspiracy theorist like yourself.
Respectfully, I disagree that a significant body of the collective voice of dissent is predicated upon "fraud," alone. You further assert that "government" uses "actual science" to prove its point. While your first contention is erroneous, the second is correct, only to the extent that today's science brings to bear a thresh-hold of integrity either governmentally required, institutionally funded, or enhanced by more responsible science based upon acceptable levels of research tomorrow!

I have found the voices of dissent to be the ONLY fraternity fully grasping the import of a clinical, governmental and institution "integrity"! You'd be well served to remember that government has used science to "prove its point" before a world witnessing in horror a growing enumeration of unintended consequences in every pursuit and discipline imaginable. Respectfully, I will not frolic in what would quickly become redundant! The failures of inadequately researched vaccines is entirely self evident to anyone of basic human intelligence in diligent search of truth.

The available evidence to support the reasonable belief and attribution of "causation" of many vaccine related injury and death has already been established to "judicial" and "forensic" standards. Prominently, the pharmacies and/or clinicians involved cannot and will not legally attest to "non-causation" of "any" vaccines in the instance of "autism" and many other horrific end results, yet insinuate this to be the case by simply suggesting that causation can't be "proven"!

What esoteric insolence..and institutional arrogance! Not only will big Pharma and their complicit government institutions admit they can't and will not "legally" affirm to judicial standards that their wares will do no harm, they buy the necessary legislation from a corrupt legislature to exempt practitioners, holding them harmless from all torte law potentialities and damages. Unbelievable!

Simply put, no one can prove or disprove "causation" at this point outside the sphere of common sense in interpreting the wealth of evidence in plain view for all to see. Clearly, your notion that none of the carriers, active ingredients, inert ingredients and preservatives do not cause autism and/or other brain related injuries is your personal opinion. The greater evidence says otherwise!

There's a big difference in government "proving" "non-causation" and simply saying - trust us with your family and your children..we have such a track record of..."Integrity"?
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By God I found another interesting link about the Small pox vaccine.The history too.
It's Historical
http"//www.vaclib.org/new s/smallpoxalert.htm
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Nuggin wrote:
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You don't have a grasp on what the word "credibility" means.
You claim that the anti-vax crowd, which has based its entire argument on fraud is credible, while "government" is not - despite the fact that government uses actual science to prove it's point.
Pharma companies have BENT OVER BACKWARDS to placate the anti-vax crowd. They went so far as to remove thymerisol from vaccines despite the fact that it was CLEARLY not the cause of autism. And, EVEN AFTER REMOVING IT, anti-vaxers are _STILL_ claiming it's present AND is the cause of autism.
Why do they believe this? Because they read about it on the internet from some conspiracy theorist like yourself.
now thats funny, sick but funny. Check out the employment history of the top 3 FDA guys they bounce back n forth from gov to pharma jobs like crazy and you trust them to be truthfull or objective ? Wanna buy a bridge ?
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When you trade freedom for safety, you deserve neither and often lose both....just saying I don't trust them at all and if I had enough money to home school my child he would never receive another vaccine. He may be a disposable casualty for the rest of the world but to me he is irreplaceable. I was sort of just trapped by my situation to have him vaccinated up to his 4yr shots, not happy about it.
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NOT MINE wrote:
When you trade freedom for safety, you deserve neither and often lose both....just saying I don't trust them at all and if I had enough money to home school my child he would never receive another vaccine. He may be a disposable casualty for the rest of the world but to me he is irreplaceable. I was sort of just trapped by my situation to have him vaccinated up to his 4yr shots, not happy about it.
The people of today do not want Freedom nor safty, the only want evil Dictators.
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There have been 83 confirmed cases of autism covered as table injuries by VICP. That's just the complainants willing to discuss their cases.

Look it up. Go through the cases. Out of 1400+.

If you want to FOIA the VICP to get all the info on all 1400 cases you'll need $275,000 & it will take 10 years. Call them yourself.
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My friends newborn was full of life and seemed vary happy, this kid was awesome then he received a bunch of vaccinations all at once, that evening he wasn't his usual self, he seemed vary lethargic, that night he passed away in his sleep. The doctor gave the generic answer SIDS, when asked what caused the SIDS after an autopsy the answer was we don't know. Not only did the child die but it tore apart their marriage and the father my best friend took his own life. Could this of been a coincidence sure but from what I've seen and heard I would bet it all that it was the vaccinations. Now I'm not saying all vaccinations are bad and maybe their all fine but doctors need to stop giving infants many vaccinations all at the same time. I think one of the biggest problem is most doctors care more about cramming everything they can charge for into the shortest amount of time as possible so they can maximize on their profits, and this is hurting everyone's health in the long run.
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Nuggin wrote:
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Wow, you are all over the place.
You are actually blaming vaccines which prevent viruses for chronic bacterial infections which are a result of antibiotic resistant strains.
Between two different posts, you've claimed that 1 in 22 people are Autistic and that nearly all autistic people have chronic strep. Which means that ~1 in 25 people have chronic strep? Seriously?
Given how strep is contagious, you would think we'd notice if the infection rate were that high.
By the way, "epidemic".
You've made claims without foundation nor evidence.
You've failed to address my points that polio is NOT a disease which effects people in America anymore.
We know EXACTLY when the polio vaccine was administered, so show me that medical data that shows a corresponding rise in whatever disease you think was caused by the vaccine. That data should be EASY for you to find.
I'm not talking speculation about potential effects on the immune system blah blah blah.
I'm talking REAL cases of REAL disease. We vaccinated the ENTIRE country in a very short period of time. Where's the data?
Read the worlds leading Virologist, Discoverer of HIV, Discoverer of the REAL cause of AIDS tell you what is causeing our Age of Syndromes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Probable spirochetal etiology could be demonstrated for 41 of 45 (91%) patients with clinical symptoms of chronic meningitis. Approximately 25% of the patients had significantly elevated titers of antibody to the spirochete in CSF but not in serum.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/19272...
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So if they found spirochetal disease in 41 of 45 people with Meningitis what exactly is it they are vaccinating to prevent?

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How much do you get pushing their drugs?
I love the fact that your go to in these arguments is to claim that anyone who disagrees with your bullsh1t is being paid to disagree with you.

Guess what, nitwit. No one needs to pay me to point out your full of crap.

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