Should state mandate immunizations? N...

Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July

There are 9767 comments on the Chattanoogan.com story from May 4, 2011, titled Should state mandate immunizations? New requirements effective in July. In it, Chattanoogan.com reports that:

Immunizations are one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to protect children against childhood diseases and Tennessee law requires documented immunizations.

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Big Mac

Walnut, CA

#7592 May 15, 2013
curious wrote:
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Fortunately I don't eat fast food and I try to eat as little processed foods as possible.
Are you saying they are putting vaccines and or medications in fast food?
I'm saying they are putting all kinds of unhealthy ingredients in all foods.
Big Mac

Chantilly, VA

#7593 May 15, 2013
Big Mac

Brook Park, OH

#7594 May 15, 2013

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7595 May 15, 2013
Say What wrote:
vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, sucrose, sodium phosphate,
glutamate, recombinant human albumin, neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed
gelatin, chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts
Do you understand everyone one of those? Do you know their meaning?
So you?

You're complaining about sucrose?!

Just because a word is longer than you are comfortable with doesn't make it dangerous.

Your ignorance does not make vaccines unsafe.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7596 May 15, 2013
LifeLover wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you really believe this or are you just paid to say it?
Obviously that question was rhetorical, any answer you give wouldn't matter because your motives are obviously questionable.
I love you paranoid idiots with your accusations.

First of all, it's been long established who I am and what I do for a living. I'm a screenwriter in Hollywood. I make no money off vaccines. I don't even know anyone who comes remotely close to making money off vaccines.

The closest I come is an acquaintance who is a dermatologist.

However, that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on the state of science, medicine and education.

The fact of the matter is that the people making these vaccines have, over decades, consistently provided a safer and more effective product.

As a result diseases like polio, small pox, mumps, measles, whooping cough - they are virtually unknown and have been for decades.

But now a group of uninformed idiots is putting the entire nation at risk because based on their own ignorance.

Look at the previous poster. HE doesn't want vaccines because he doesn't know what sucrose is.

That's not a valid argument against vaccination.

If you don't know what something is, go look it up!

I had a similar argument recently with someone who claimed toothpaste was poisonous because _ONE_ of the components was also found in dish soap. It was a foaming agent. Both products have bubbles.

If you want to reject something at least have the intellectual curiosity to ACTUALLY understand what you're talking about.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7597 May 15, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Fortunately I don't eat fast food and I try to eat as little processed foods as possible.
Are you saying they are putting vaccines and or medications in fast food?
He didn't say fast food, jackass.

He said FOOD.

What the f do you think sucrose is?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7598 May 15, 2013
Big Mac wrote:
<quoted text>I'm saying they are putting all kinds of unhealthy ingredients in all foods.
I think a lot of people claim things are "unhealthy" because they don't have much in the way of information.

People need to understand that the AMOUNT of something is as, if not MORE, important than what that thing does.

There are chemicals your body needs, chemicals your body makes, that if you take too much of it, it will kill you.

However, if you cut it out completely, it will ALSO kill you.
PairAnnoyed

North Augusta, SC

#7599 May 16, 2013
Say What wrote:
No vaccines ever for this house!!! OVERWHELMINGLY safer??? Really? Do you understand what each ingredient in every vaccine is? Do you know how the ingredients in said vaccines mix with the other ingredients in the other vaccines they give at one time? This is the ingredient list from the CDC for DTaP. aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol,
Stainer-Scholte medium, modified Mueller’s growth medium, modified
Mueller-Miller casamino acid medium (without beef heart infusion)
And here is the MMR list, again from CDC.
vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, sucrose, sodium phosphate,
glutamate, recombinant human albumin, neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed
gelatin, chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts
Do you understand everyone one of those? Do you know their meaning? No thanks, not for us! But before you go off saying they are "safer", you should go read up of the reactions, and deaths being reported to Vaers. It's more than just fever and soreness of the injection site. There is death, seizures, blindness, mental functions hindered, miscarriages, etc etc etc.
With all that being said, apples naturally contain arsenic. Are you afraid to let your kids eat apples?
Well, as Ron White said: You can't fix stupid!
danny

Warrenton, VA

#7600 May 16, 2013
Maybe all these vaccines would be fine if all doctors spaced them out. I have heard of many people who suspect the vaccines gave their children medical problems got dozens of vaccines at the same time which could give a child vary high doses of heavy metals which can be vary damaging.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7601 May 16, 2013
danny wrote:
Maybe all these vaccines would be fine if all doctors spaced them out. I have heard of many people who suspect the vaccines gave their children medical problems got dozens of vaccines at the same time which could give a child vary high doses of heavy metals which can be vary damaging.
Except for the following facts:

- All studies of these claims have been shown to be false, not just going forward but retroactively. Sweden keeps a complete medical database on all its citizens going back decades. Any time there is a question about something like this, it's extremely easy to go back and see who got what vaccines at what time and how close together and then see what happened to them.
- The amount of "heavy metals" found in things like vaccines have gone from very little to non-existent in the same time frame that people are claiming that the "high doses" are causing the problem.
- Each time they anti-vaxers come up with a "culprit" and it gets eliminated, they switch to a different culprit despite the fact that the mechanisms by which their claims are explained are contradictory. If it's "mercury induced nerve damage" and you remove the mercury, then you can't suddenly say that it's some other problem caused by something else.

And lastly, and this is the MOST IMPORTANT PART....

The entire anti-vax movement got started when Wakefield fraudulently made claims against the existing MMR vaccine in order to market his own alternative MMR vaccine. His claims have been shown to be fraudulent.

There is no there there.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#7602 May 16, 2013
PairAnnoyed wrote:
<quoted text>
With all that being said, apples naturally contain arsenic. Are you afraid to let your kids eat apples?
Well, as Ron White said: You can't fix stupid!
It's not the Apples, it's the Apple SEEDS that contain the arsenic.
danny

United States

#7603 May 16, 2013
Nuggin you seem to be well read up on this issue, so I would like to ask you what is your theory on the rise of so many SIDS and autism cases?

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7604 May 16, 2013
danny wrote:
Nuggin you seem to be well read up on this issue, so I would like to ask you what is your theory on the rise of so many SIDS and autism cases?
There isn't really a rise in autism.

A few years back, the medical community revised its definitions of various disorders and came up with the term "autism spectrum".

As a result, instead of a few cases of autism, a few cases of asbergers, a few cases of retardation, a few cases of learning disability, etc. they suddenly had a lot of cases of "people on the autism spectrum".

Using all the same "evidence" that the "vaccines cause autism" crowd is trumpeting, you could make the same case for "vaccines cure retardation" because the numbers have dropped.

The thing is the NUMBER of people effected has change, all that has changed is the label they slap on the people.

The other factor that's going on in this:
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-baader-mei...

Baader-meinhof is when you learn something you were unaware of before and then notice it frequently.

This happens because we screen out extraneous crap that we don't understand or care about so that we're not overwhelmed. However, once our attention has been drawn to the object/concept/person, it's no longer extraneous and stops getting screened.

I'm sure electronic cigarettes were around a few years before I noticed them, but after I noticed them I saw them far more often than I had in the past.

The same thing is going on with autism and both doctors and the public. General practitioners/teachers/parents in rural areas may have just referred to a kid as "troubled" twenty years ago. However, since autism is all the rage now, that same kid is now recognized as "autistic".

Again, number of actual people with the syndrome? Stable. Number of diagnosed cases? Increasing.

The way you can verify this is by looking at the per capita cases in an area with high diagnosis at an earlier time and then in an area with increasing diagnosis.

For example, town A has high diagnosis and an autism rate of 1%. Town B has .001%, then a few years later, the Town B doc reads Time magazine and suddenly, the rate of autism diagnosis goes up to 1%.

That doesn't mean that the rate of autism in town B increase 1000x. It means that they were at 1% but the guy in charge of counting cases wasn't doing his job.

I'm much less versed in SIDS, but I do know that pre-natal and post natal-care in the US has been dropping as medical costs rise. I would like to see a map of SIDS cases by income bracket. I suspect you'll find that SIDS is higher among people without health care than people with.

That makes it highly unlikely that vaccinations is the cause, given that lack of health care is a pretty good indicator that a child will not be vaccinated on schedule.
Silvermaven

United States

#7606 May 16, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
There isn't really a rise in autism.

That makes it highly unlikely that vaccinations is the cause, given that lack of health care is a pretty good indicator that a child will not be vaccinated on schedule.
When it has been testified before Congress several times this yr. alone that according to the CDC the rate of Autism has risen to 1 in 88, where do you get your expertise to state this as fact?
http://oversight.house.gov/hearing/1-in-88-ch...

OK I admit the CDC are wrong---Its acually 1 in every 29 being born with Autism because they took out some degree's of the syndromes to not include in their guideline box!

And now that we all know the real cause of AIDS immune suppression and the fact that it never was HIV how do you suppose vaccinating with infectious antigens and other junk DNA offers anyone any protection against anything when over 80% of the pop.s are already infected with spirochetal prion protein infections that do not care what they share their genes with to survive?
&fe ature=youtu.be

We will not forgive and we will not forget who gave us infective vaccines and who refuses to help the people treat the multiple infections in seronegative infections in the real AIDS they gave us all!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Silvermaven

United States

#7607 May 16, 2013
You want to make movies about real people? Lets make one about the billions who have suffered and died of lies of hundreds of syndromes, psych, and cancers caused by genetically altered infections in depressed immune systems they have caused....

We'll call it "And the Band Played On 2". Because the murderers knew when the HepB test found 88% of HIV what really caused AIDS and all more vaccines did was kill us faster in lies denied treatment for infections they said they could not see!!!
&fe ature=related

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7608 May 16, 2013
Silvermaven wrote:
<quoted text>
When it has been testified before Congress several times this yr. alone that according to the CDC the rate of Autism has risen to 1 in 88, where do you get your expertise to state this as fact?
http://oversight.house.gov/hearing/1-in-88-ch...
First of all, the fact that someone testifies in front of Congress is not relevant to the reality of the situation.

Second, what I am saying is not contradicted by your link. There ARE more cases which are being classified as autism. The reason is, more things are now considered autism which were previously called something else AND since more doctors know to look for it, more doctors are finding it.

The rate of ADD and ADHD didn't suddenly skyrocket in the 80s/90s when everyone was getting ritalin. The same percentage of kids were behaving the same way. It's just that doctors had a label for it all of the sudden.
OK I admit the CDC are wrong---Its acually 1 in every 29 being born with Autism because they took out some degree's of the syndromes to not include in their guideline box!
The term autism has now been expanded by the public to include everything from color blindness to not liking ice cream.

There is a WORLD of difference between the girl across the street from me who only communicates through hoots and hollars as opposed to some kid in school who is good at math but not at Spanish.

You can't call both of these things "autism" and expect the word to retain any meaning.
And now that we all know the real cause of AIDS immune suppression and the fact that it never was HIV how do you suppose vaccinating with infectious antigens and other junk DNA offers anyone any protection against anything when over 80% of the pop.s are already infected with spirochetal prion protein infections that do not care what they share their genes with to survive?
"We all know" being the 1% of conspiracy nuts who claim this in opposition to the 99% of scientists and ALL the evidence which states otherwise.

Further, if vaccination doesn't work why don't you have polio? Why is it that you've NEVER even MET anyone with polio. Or small pox.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#7609 May 16, 2013
Silvermaven wrote:
You want to make movies about real people? Lets make one about the billions who have suffered and died of lies of hundreds of syndromes, psych, and cancers caused by genetically altered infections in depressed immune systems they have caused....
Again...
How many people do you know that are stuck in iron lungs or walking around in braces because of polio?

How many children have you seen die to scarlet fever?

How many times have you been forced to stay home from work with a bad case of the small pox?

AND, why is it that all these things which you claim are caused by vaccination pre-date vaccination?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#7610 May 16, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>
Again...
How many people do you know that are stuck in iron lungs or walking around in braces because of polio?
How many children have you seen die to scarlet fever?
How many times have you been forced to stay home from work with a bad case of the small pox?
AND, why is it that all these things which you claim are caused by vaccination pre-date vaccination?
I wonder how many vaccinations were there in say 1950 & 1960 and how many are there in 2013?
Silvermaven

United States

#7611 May 16, 2013
How many people do you know that are stuck in iron lungs or walking around in braces because of polio?

None fool. When they infected us all with spirochetal prion protein infections in HeLa cells from a woman who had Syphilis after playing with it for 50yrs. in many countries and many peoples and added Mycoplasma to the mix and then more spirochetal disease in Lyme vaccines, we now tolerize those infections. IN FACT 1/3 of the worlds pop.s ARE infected with TB.
A third of the world’s population has latent infection with Mycobacterium tuberculosis;
and 10-15% of the reactivating cases occur at
extrapulmonary sites without active pulmonary tuberculosis.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2...

How many children have you seen die to scarlet fever?
NONE. Because of the immune suppression caused by vaccines we now tolerate those infections quite well. In fact almost ALL Autism have Chronic Strep and Staph infections.

The only ones who get Full Fledged Mahogony colored skin as in Scarlet fever are the ones who actually have immune systems to FIGHT!

How many times have you been forced to stay home from work with a bad case of the small pox?
AND, why is it that all these things which you claim are caused by vaccination pre-date vaccination?
The only people who are getting the real smallpox are people like the 22 US soldiers killing themselves a day and don't know why!!!

Yes I would gladly stay home with my child to have some kind of natural immunity from whole organisms than the immune suppression genetically altered have left us with...Which is NONE!
In fact the only people getting Polio are those vaccinated for it because they KNEW those infectious antigens would recombine in infections they already have!!!

Its called Vaccine Induced Polio

Any more questions? Fire away!
Say What

Kenton, TN

#7612 May 16, 2013
I wasn't talking about sucrose, and I never said I didn't know what it was! I was speaking of WI-38, which is aborted babies! WI-38 is from a female fetus. http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccin...
Rubella vax was also made from an aborted baby.(same website)
Or how about that formaldehyde? Isn't that embalming fluid? And has been associated to cancer.
Or how about Aluminum.
This is directly from the FDA:
“Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration [this means injected into the body] if kidney function is impaired ... Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates [babies], who received parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day, accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity [for a tiny newborn, this toxic dose would be 10 to 20 micrograms, and for an adult it would be about 350 micrograms]. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration.”[Department of Health and Human Services, Food and Drug Administration, Document NDA 19-626/S-019, Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act for Dextrose Injections.]
And this is the amounts of Aluminum in vaccines
Hib (PedVaxHib brand only)– 225 mcg per shot
Hepatitis B – 250 mcg
DTaP – depending on the manufacturer, ranges from 170 to 625 mcg
Pneumococcus – 125 mcg
Hepatitis A – 250 mcg
HPV – 225 mcg
Pentacel (DTaP, HIB and Polio combo vaccine)– 330 mcg
Pediarix (DTaP, Hep B and Polio combo vaccine)– 850 mcg
I do my research friend. And I have about a million more things I could post on the ingredients why bother. Your choices are your rights and mine are my rights. And I choose NOT to put that crap into my children!

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