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Bayless wrote:
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You say you disagree with everything in Pete's post. Apparently you disagree with his statement: "Smoking has killed more people than all the wars combined and costs exponentially more in terms of health and money."
Now, it is irrelevant if you disagree or not - that part, at least, is fact. That said, I don't advocate cigarettes being banned outright - it still is a choice to smoke or not...no matter how bad it is for a person.
Fact ? Lets have the figures. All wars combined .....since when ? Costs ? Lets have the costs posted versus the taxes generated.
Let's have those "facts".
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<quoted text> Well "Pete" we do disagree again, and this time on everything in this post ! Since tobacco is a legal product, sold everywhere, outsourcing production did nothing to curtail use, it just transferred the income from Tennessee farmers to Brazilian and Argentinian farmers, meanwhile, the price of cigarettes went up, and regulatory control of what is used on leaf by those farmers is no longer under USDA purview. Destroying the Tn. tobacco farmer, if it had saved some lives would be a good trade off, but it didn't save a single one. It just made RJR and Phillip Morris more money, and that was their plan.
Ask your dad how many acres of corn it would take to generate the income from one acre of tobacco, and how many calves it takes to replace the income from a 10,000 pound tobacco base. I already know, but then you will too.
Smoking isn't any different than drinking in my opinion. Both introduce a drug into the body, although, come to think of it, I haven't ever heard of any deaths from a driver who had sucked down a few cigarettes, at least not ones made with American tobacco.
Well OT, based on what you stated in your post, I called up my dad and simply asked him about what you posted. I am sort of proud of my father because he is 82 years old and was mowing hay when I called. He still does about 90% of what he has always done.

Anyway, I digress. He stated in his own way of stating things that income is not important. He said what you keep is more important than what you sell tobacco for. He also stated that it depends on what type of tobacco you are growing and how you cure it. I have no idea what he means by this. I am certainly no expert on this matter. Anyway, he said in our area, Burley tobacco was the predominant tobacco grown. I am assuming you know what that is because I don't.

He also stated that tobacco is a lot more labor intensive and a lot more costly than raising cattle. He also stated that tobacco didn't have a market price. He said you had to negotiate the price with the buyer directly during every sale. He stated in some years, he would have a great crop and great yield, but the buyers would collude together and finagle a low price to all tobacco farmers. He said negotiating was just as important as farming when it came to tobacco farming. He said he quit growing tobacco because there were fewer places to sell it and he could profit just as much doing something else.

He said that currently, beef prices are very high. He also said that the price for hay is very high in drought stricken areas. That is what he is doing and he says his farming profits are at an all time high, and that he doesn't have to spend a whole lot of time raising cattle and growing hay. Anyway, that is his two cents.

He said one little tidbit at the end of our conversation that I found interesting. He said that a lot of U.S. grown tobacco is exported. I never knew that. His statement regarding tobacco production outsourcing was quite simple. His answer to that was if there is a 40% or higher tax on cigarettes, less people are going to demand tobacco. He stated that is why cigarette manufacturers import tobacco. He said before the taxes were so high, U.S. cigarette manufacturers would never import tobacco due to quality and complexity.

Anyway, I realize this is simply my father's opinion and his sole experience. Yours may be different. He seems a lot happier and less stressed now so I am guessing everything worked out for him. He also said the going rate for corn is about $6.00 per bushel and that is close to a high point for corn. He said demand for corn is going up, demand for tobacco is going down.
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dblq wrote:
Damn! no eye roll judge it.
Pardon the intrusion, but a while back there was a discussion on Vet's service. If memory serves correctly, he was a captain in the USAF. His missions were either involving Alaska or somewhere of that nature. I had a friend who was in the USAF during the cold war patrolling that fine line of Alaska and Russia, probably eyeballing each other making sure no one entered the no-fly zone.
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Vet wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I caught you, OA, not from my boat but sitting in my office. I had to use a pair of pliers to get the hook out of your mouth. You'll have to admit, you were an easy catch.
The office that your son bought you.
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<quoted text>Well, then I will also be here to remind you that as a member and substantial contributor of the Catholic Church, an institution that "Willard" says is a bastion of socialism, in fact he says it is the "inevitable recipe" of Christianity and socialism.... it would appear that you must be a socialist. Surely you aren't saying "Willard" would lie are you ? I didn't think so, especially since you once told me how well versed "Willard" was in religious matters, and we all know that "Willard" is a noted expert on all things socialist.
OT, I asked you if your beef with OW was about the "world order" or Catholicism. I explained that I didn't agree with OW and posted two encyclicals from the last two Popes. Look back a few pages and you will see them. I have no clue about whether he is a minister but I have read enough of his posts about religious matters to believe he is a Bible scholar. I don't believe there will ever be an "inevitable recipe" of Christianity and socialism. They are mutually exclusive.
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The office that your son bought you.
sounds like someone is jealous, huh douchebag?
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The Original Amused wrote:
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The office that your son bought you.
My office is in my home which I paid off when my son was a child. Now, if you have children and smoke in your home or in the car with them, that would be child abuse.
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Pete wrote:
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Well OT, based on what you stated in your post, I called up my dad and simply asked him about what you posted. I am sort of proud of my father because he is 82 years old and was mowing hay when I called. He still does about 90% of what he has always done.
Anyway, I digress. He stated in his own way of stating things that income is not important. He said what you keep is more important than what you sell tobacco for. He also stated that it depends on what type of tobacco you are growing and how you cure it. I have no idea what he means by this. I am certainly no expert on this matter. Anyway, he said in our area, Burley tobacco was the predominant tobacco grown. I am assuming you know what that is because I don't.
He also stated that tobacco is a lot more labor intensive and a lot more costly than raising cattle. He also stated that tobacco didn't have a market price. He said you had to negotiate the price with the buyer directly during every sale. He stated in some years, he would have a great crop and great yield, but the buyers would collude together and finagle a low price to all tobacco farmers. He said negotiating was just as important as farming when it came to tobacco farming. He said he quit growing tobacco because there were fewer places to sell it and he could profit just as much doing something else.
He said that currently, beef prices are very high. He also said that the price for hay is very high in drought stricken areas. That is what he is doing and he says his farming profits are at an all time high, and that he doesn't have to spend a whole lot of time raising cattle and growing hay. Anyway, that is his two cents.
He said one little tidbit at the end of our conversation that I found interesting. He said that a lot of U.S. grown tobacco is exported. I never knew that. His statement regarding tobacco production outsourcing was quite simple. His answer to that was if there is a 40% or higher tax on cigarettes, less people are going to demand tobacco. He stated that is why cigarette manufacturers import tobacco. He said before the taxes were so high, U.S. cigarette manufacturers would never import tobacco due to quality and complexity.
Anyway, I realize this is simply my father's opinion and his sole experience. Yours may be different. He seems a lot happier and less stressed now so I am guessing everything worked out for him. He also said the going rate for corn is about $6.00 per bushel and that is close to a high point for corn. He said demand for corn is going up, demand for tobacco is going down.
Hey, Pete, demand for tobacco isn't going down at OA's house. He is addicted.
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The Original Amused wrote:
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The office that your son bought you.
Well, OA what would be wrong with a son buying an office for his father? Mine didn't but what would be wrong? You must not have children, you seem to be very uniformed about family matters.
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Pardon the intrusion, but a while back there was a discussion on Vet's service. If memory serves correctly, he was a captain in the USAF. His missions were either involving Alaska or somewhere of that nature. I had a friend who was in the USAF during the cold war patrolling that fine line of Alaska and Russia, probably eyeballing each other making sure no one entered the no-fly zone.
I remember the mention of a Heart,(Purple Heart) during that conversation. I find that highly unlikely.
There were no combat missions in Alaska. Galena, King Salmon, and Shemya, were used as a supply and troop jump point more than anything.
Vet

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dblq wrote:
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I remember the mention of a Heart,(Purple Heart) during that conversation. I find that highly unlikely.
There were no combat missions in Alaska. Galena, King Salmon, and Shemya, were used as a supply and troop jump point more than anything.
No, you don't remember any mention of a Purple Heart. There was no mention of Alaska. Who the hell are you? I haven't seen your name on this forum before. Maybe you should ask OA where he served because you sure won't get any personal information about me.
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I can go back and bring that post up. <sic>
Got all the info on you I need. Can ya dig it?
Dr Phil

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Vet wrote:
<quoted text>No, you don't remember any mention of a Purple Heart. There was no mention of Alaska. Who the hell are you? I haven't seen your name on this forum before. Maybe you should ask OA where he served because you sure won't get any personal information about me.
You don't have to have a good memory if you don't lie. You have proven that you don't have a good meomory, or you just like to play stupid. Some of us don't think it's an act.
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dblq wrote:
I can go back and bring that post up. <sic>
Got all the info on you I need. Can ya dig it?
Take a hike, moron. I don't respond to loons from Camden.
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Another strike and a miss!
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Dr Phil wrote:
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You don't have to have a good memory if you don't lie. You have proven that you don't have a good meomory, or you just like to play stupid. Some of us don't think it's an act.
"We"?, you have a turd in your pocket? Take a hike, loon from Camden.
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The phrase in the sentence was "Some of us "The word "We" was not in the post you responded to. Reading comprehension isn't one of your bright points.
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<quoted text> "We"?, you have a turd in your pocket? Take a hike, loon from Camden.
We, we. Who said "we". You need to be in a looney bin because everyone isn't from "Camden". Is that your hometown or something and where all your other crazy relatives live in the same house with you?

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<quoted text>My office is in my home which I paid off when my son was a child. Now, if you have children and smoke in your home or in the car with them, that would be child abuse.
Unless you're a conservative, then it's okay.

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