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#84653 Jun 19, 2013
dblq wrote:
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It is strange that An old war hero such as yourself. Only thinks of John Wayne as an actor.
You never served in Nam did you?
He claimed he did years ago, but then denied that he made such a claim sometime afterwards.
dblq

UK

#84654 Jun 19, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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He claimed he did years ago, but then denied that he made such a claim sometime afterwards.
Caught that. No credibility at all.
Bayless

South Pittsburg, TN

#84655 Jun 19, 2013
In front of an audience of about 2,000 young people, including many Catholics, Obama claimed that Catholic education divides people and blocks peace, according to the Scottish Catholic Observer.

Of course he is strangely quiet concerning the muslim religion as encouraging division and causing fear and resentment to harden.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#84656 Jun 19, 2013
Pete wrote:
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Hey OT, here is another thing we disagree on. I was born and raised in East Tennessee and my father and grandfather farmed tobacco. Anyone living in this area can probably remember the old tobacco warehouses on Roan St. in Johnson City and all the tobacco farms in Telford, Limestone, Jonesboro, Boones Creek, etc. Tobacco benefited this area for a long time, but that does not justify smoking and the ill effects from smoking. Smoking has killed more people than all the wars combined and costs exponentially more in terms of health and money. There simply is no justification for smoking. Yes, there is obesity, car accidents and many other things that harm people. Just because there are other things that harm people doesn't mean smoking is ok. Ideally, we would engage in nothing that degrades our quality of life. Smoking is not a political thing either. There are liberals who smoke, conservatives who smoke, libertarians who smoke, etc. Smoking affects everyone of all denominations disastrously.
The Bloomberg edict is a completely different issue than smoking. Conservatives realize this edict won't work. Why? Because anyone wanting a super size soft drink can just as easily purchase two of the smaller sizes and get the exact same quantity. People can purchase the smaller size and keep getting refills of the smaller size and ingest the exact same quantity. Edicts that produce real benefits are supported by all. Wasteful or political edicts are unnecessary.
Tobacco farmers in East Tennessee who wanted to keep farming simply changed their crop. Corn is pretty lucrative these days as is cattle. My father now raises cattle and sells hay to farms in Georgia. He now makes more off of farming than he ever did. Over time, things change. The people who change with it do better than those who are reluctant to change.
My two cents of course.
Well "Pete" we do disagree again, and this time on everything in this post ! Since tobacco is a legal product, sold everywhere, outsourcing production did nothing to curtail use, it just transferred the income from Tennessee farmers to Brazilian and Argentinian farmers, meanwhile, the price of cigarettes went up, and regulatory control of what is used on leaf by those farmers is no longer under USDA purview. Destroying the Tn. tobacco farmer, if it had saved some lives would be a good trade off, but it didn't save a single one. It just made RJR and Phillip Morris more money, and that was their plan.
Ask your dad how many acres of corn it would take to generate the income from one acre of tobacco, and how many calves it takes to replace the income from a 10,000 pound tobacco base. I already know, but then you will too.

Smoking isn't any different than drinking in my opinion. Both introduce a drug into the body, although, come to think of it, I haven't ever heard of any deaths from a driver who had sucked down a few cigarettes, at least not ones made with American tobacco.
HeHe

North Augusta, SC

#84657 Jun 19, 2013
Bayless wrote:
While two brothers motivated by Islamic fundamentalism were carrying out the Boston Marathon bombing, the city was hard at work planning a mass casualty terrorism-training exercise in which the perpetrators were American militiamen whose logo includes Uncle Sam hats.
The Boston Globe revealed the plot of “Operation Urban Shield,” a simulation by the Department of Homeland Security costing $200,000. The program was slated to take place last weekend to train local Boston law-enforcement agencies to work together to thwart a terrorist threat.
The Boston newspaper reported officials from a dozen agencies had been meeting for months to plan the simulation and had already recruited students from Northeastern University and the Boston Police Academy to play the parts of terrorists and witnesses.
While the vast majority of all terrorist attacks worldwide are carried out by Muslims, the DHS program decided to train for a different set of antagonists.
Does a terrorist's religion have any effect on how dead their victims are?
Bayless

South Pittsburg, TN

#84658 Jun 19, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Well "Pete" we do disagree again, and this time on everything in this post ! Since tobacco is a legal product, sold everywhere, outsourcing production did nothing to curtail use, it just transferred the income from Tennessee farmers to Brazilian and Argentinian farmers, meanwhile, the price of cigarettes went up, and regulatory control of what is used on leaf by those farmers is no longer under USDA purview. Destroying the Tn. tobacco farmer, if it had saved some lives would be a good trade off, but it didn't save a single one. It just made RJR and Phillip Morris more money, and that was their plan.
Ask your dad how many acres of corn it would take to generate the income from one acre of tobacco, and how many calves it takes to replace the income from a 10,000 pound tobacco base. I already know, but then you will too.
Smoking isn't any different than drinking in my opinion. Both introduce a drug into the body, although, come to think of it, I haven't ever heard of any deaths from a driver who had sucked down a few cigarettes, at least not ones made with American tobacco.
You say you disagree with everything in Pete's post. Apparently you disagree with his statement: "Smoking has killed more people than all the wars combined and costs exponentially more in terms of health and money."

Now, it is irrelevant if you disagree or not - that part, at least, is fact. That said, I don't advocate cigarettes being banned outright - it still is a choice to smoke or not...no matter how bad it is for a person.
Vet

Fayetteville, GA

#84659 Jun 19, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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Yes, sitting in a boat your son bought for you.
Actually, I caught you, OA, not from my boat but sitting in my office. I had to use a pair of pliers to get the hook out of your mouth. You'll have to admit, you were an easy catch.
Vet

Fayetteville, GA

#84660 Jun 19, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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I'm not the one defending his "lack of character."
Well, OA, you are the one defending your lack of character. I don't need to defend the Duke.
Vet

Fayetteville, GA

#84661 Jun 19, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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He claimed he did years ago, but then denied that he made such a claim sometime afterwards.
No, I didn't claim that years ago. Why do you think the Dunlapian keeps asking me when and where I served. When you have served your country honorably, I will be glad to listen to your critique of mine. Of course you flinched as a 4F... as a TODDLER (sic)!
dblq

UK

#84662 Jun 19, 2013
Damn! no eye roll judge it.
Vet

Fayetteville, GA

#84663 Jun 19, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Well "Pete" we do disagree again, and this time on everything in this post ! Since tobacco is a legal product, sold everywhere, outsourcing production did nothing to curtail use, it just transferred the income from Tennessee farmers to Brazilian and Argentinian farmers, meanwhile, the price of cigarettes went up, and regulatory control of what is used on leaf by those farmers is no longer under USDA purview. Destroying the Tn. tobacco farmer, if it had saved some lives would be a good trade off, but it didn't save a single one. It just made RJR and Phillip Morris more money, and that was their plan.
Ask your dad how many acres of corn it would take to generate the income from one acre of tobacco, and how many calves it takes to replace the income from a 10,000 pound tobacco base. I already know, but then you will too.
Smoking isn't any different than drinking in my opinion. Both introduce a drug into the body, although, come to think of it, I haven't ever heard of any deaths from a driver who had sucked down a few cigarettes, at least not ones made with American tobacco.
"Smoking causes death.

The adverse health effects from cigarette smoking account for an estimated 443,000 deaths, or nearly one of every five deaths, each year in the United States.
More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.
Smoking causes an estimated 90% of all lung cancer deaths in men and 80% of all lung cancer deaths in women.
An estimated 90% of all deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease are caused by smoking.

This is no joking matter, OT.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#84664 Jun 19, 2013
Vet wrote:
<quoted text>That's fair enough for me too, OA, though I will be here to remind you of your post, "Proving that I am probably where most of the rest of the country is, and that labels like beauty are in the eye of the beholder!"
Most conservatives don't post under the name "The Socialist," and most of the rest of the country is not anywhere close to socialism.
Well, then I will also be here to remind you that as a member and substantial contributor of the Catholic Church, an institution that "Willard" says is a bastion of socialism, in fact he says it is the "inevitable recipe" of Christianity and socialism.... it would appear that you must be a socialist. Surely you aren't saying "Willard" would lie are you ? I didn't think so, especially since you once told me how well versed "Willard" was in religious matters, and we all know that "Willard" is a noted expert on all things socialist.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#84665 Jun 19, 2013
Bayless wrote:
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You say you disagree with everything in Pete's post. Apparently you disagree with his statement: "Smoking has killed more people than all the wars combined and costs exponentially more in terms of health and money."
Now, it is irrelevant if you disagree or not - that part, at least, is fact. That said, I don't advocate cigarettes being banned outright - it still is a choice to smoke or not...no matter how bad it is for a person.
Fact ? Lets have the figures. All wars combined .....since when ? Costs ? Lets have the costs posted versus the taxes generated.
Let's have those "facts".
Pete

Nashville, TN

#84666 Jun 19, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Well "Pete" we do disagree again, and this time on everything in this post ! Since tobacco is a legal product, sold everywhere, outsourcing production did nothing to curtail use, it just transferred the income from Tennessee farmers to Brazilian and Argentinian farmers, meanwhile, the price of cigarettes went up, and regulatory control of what is used on leaf by those farmers is no longer under USDA purview. Destroying the Tn. tobacco farmer, if it had saved some lives would be a good trade off, but it didn't save a single one. It just made RJR and Phillip Morris more money, and that was their plan.
Ask your dad how many acres of corn it would take to generate the income from one acre of tobacco, and how many calves it takes to replace the income from a 10,000 pound tobacco base. I already know, but then you will too.
Smoking isn't any different than drinking in my opinion. Both introduce a drug into the body, although, come to think of it, I haven't ever heard of any deaths from a driver who had sucked down a few cigarettes, at least not ones made with American tobacco.
Well OT, based on what you stated in your post, I called up my dad and simply asked him about what you posted. I am sort of proud of my father because he is 82 years old and was mowing hay when I called. He still does about 90% of what he has always done.

Anyway, I digress. He stated in his own way of stating things that income is not important. He said what you keep is more important than what you sell tobacco for. He also stated that it depends on what type of tobacco you are growing and how you cure it. I have no idea what he means by this. I am certainly no expert on this matter. Anyway, he said in our area, Burley tobacco was the predominant tobacco grown. I am assuming you know what that is because I don't.

He also stated that tobacco is a lot more labor intensive and a lot more costly than raising cattle. He also stated that tobacco didn't have a market price. He said you had to negotiate the price with the buyer directly during every sale. He stated in some years, he would have a great crop and great yield, but the buyers would collude together and finagle a low price to all tobacco farmers. He said negotiating was just as important as farming when it came to tobacco farming. He said he quit growing tobacco because there were fewer places to sell it and he could profit just as much doing something else.

He said that currently, beef prices are very high. He also said that the price for hay is very high in drought stricken areas. That is what he is doing and he says his farming profits are at an all time high, and that he doesn't have to spend a whole lot of time raising cattle and growing hay. Anyway, that is his two cents.

He said one little tidbit at the end of our conversation that I found interesting. He said that a lot of U.S. grown tobacco is exported. I never knew that. His statement regarding tobacco production outsourcing was quite simple. His answer to that was if there is a 40% or higher tax on cigarettes, less people are going to demand tobacco. He stated that is why cigarette manufacturers import tobacco. He said before the taxes were so high, U.S. cigarette manufacturers would never import tobacco due to quality and complexity.

Anyway, I realize this is simply my father's opinion and his sole experience. Yours may be different. He seems a lot happier and less stressed now so I am guessing everything worked out for him. He also said the going rate for corn is about $6.00 per bushel and that is close to a high point for corn. He said demand for corn is going up, demand for tobacco is going down.
really

United States

#84667 Jun 19, 2013
dblq wrote:
Damn! no eye roll judge it.
Pardon the intrusion, but a while back there was a discussion on Vet's service. If memory serves correctly, he was a captain in the USAF. His missions were either involving Alaska or somewhere of that nature. I had a friend who was in the USAF during the cold war patrolling that fine line of Alaska and Russia, probably eyeballing each other making sure no one entered the no-fly zone.
benny bruske

Jamestown, TN

#84668 Jun 19, 2013
I support the majority

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#84669 Jun 19, 2013
Vet wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I caught you, OA, not from my boat but sitting in my office. I had to use a pair of pliers to get the hook out of your mouth. You'll have to admit, you were an easy catch.
The office that your son bought you.
Vet

Fayetteville, GA

#84670 Jun 19, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text>Well, then I will also be here to remind you that as a member and substantial contributor of the Catholic Church, an institution that "Willard" says is a bastion of socialism, in fact he says it is the "inevitable recipe" of Christianity and socialism.... it would appear that you must be a socialist. Surely you aren't saying "Willard" would lie are you ? I didn't think so, especially since you once told me how well versed "Willard" was in religious matters, and we all know that "Willard" is a noted expert on all things socialist.
OT, I asked you if your beef with OW was about the "world order" or Catholicism. I explained that I didn't agree with OW and posted two encyclicals from the last two Popes. Look back a few pages and you will see them. I have no clue about whether he is a minister but I have read enough of his posts about religious matters to believe he is a Bible scholar. I don't believe there will ever be an "inevitable recipe" of Christianity and socialism. They are mutually exclusive.
wow

Jackson, TN

#84671 Jun 19, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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The office that your son bought you.
sounds like someone is jealous, huh douchebag?
Vet

Fayetteville, GA

#84672 Jun 19, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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The office that your son bought you.
My office is in my home which I paid off when my son was a child. Now, if you have children and smoke in your home or in the car with them, that would be child abuse.

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