Since: Feb 13

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#73593 Mar 23, 2013
Timbuk2 wrote:
<quoted text>
C'mon. Pete. You KNOW that's what's going to happen. The original Social Security bears little resemblance to today's SS.
The Social Security Act was signed into law by President Roosevelt on August 14, 1935. In addition to several provisions for general welfare, the new Act created a social insurance program designed to pay retired workers age 65 or older a continuing income after retirement. Most women and minorities were excluded from the benefits of Social Security. Job categories that were not covered by the act included workers in agricultural labor, domestic service, government employees, and many teachers, nurses, hospital employees, librarians, and social workers. The act also denied coverage to individuals who worked intermittently. In its early days, these exclusions exempted nearly half of the working population from benefiting from Social Security.
From 1937 until 1940, Social Security paid benefits in the form of a single, lump-sum payment. The purpose of these one-time payments was to provide some "payback" to those people who contributed to the program but would not participate long enough to be vested for monthly benefits.
In 1939, Social Security was modified to add benefits to the spouse or minor children of a retired worker. It also added a survivor’s benefit, paid to the family in the event of the premature death of a covered worker.
The payment of monthly benefits was accelerated to begin in 1940 rather than 1942. Interestingly, the first monthly retirement check was issued to an individual who had paid a total of $22.54 into the system and received $22,000 in benefits over her lifetime!
The next significant change to the SSA occurred in 1950, when the first cost of living adjustment (COLA) was added the program.
In 1961, the retirement age for men was reduced to 62, with a reduced monthly benefit for those choosing to retire early. Several major changes to Social Security occurred with the 1972 amendment: automatic COLAs were instituted, a minimum monthly benefit was established, monthly benefits were significantly increased to those individuals waiting until age 65 to retire, and a system for automatic increases in the amount of earnings subject to Social Security taxation was developed.
So now we have a system that is paid for by today's workers, since the "lockbox" is now fiction, and there are more people retiring and living longer than we have young workers. And today's workers are lazier, earn far less, are less motivated, than the worker of yesteryear. Add to that drugs, free stuff paid for by the government, and government's insatiable thirst for providing services to the populace, and you have an unsustainable system.
And now we've put it in charge of one seventh of the economy.
The real fraud is that we've convinced a huge portion of our population that the rich can afford to pay for all of this.
We can hope that this won't end up like Social Security, but history shows that it will.
And our populace has changed from a nations of doers to a nation of takers. Perhaps we can "hope" that the takers will change into doers?
What is wrong with you People that you want to go back in time when Living was so hard in this Country that most People suffered and died painful deaths at an early age? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

If you hate your Life that much, then CHANGE IT! I don't know where you get the idea that those days were all Milk and Honey, THEY WERE NOT!

You need to watch some Doumentaries about Life "back then", listen to some elderly People, who listened to their Parents and Grandparents tell about what Life was really like "back then"! But, most of all, you need to listen to other People of the generation before you because they have a wealth of information to help you. You don't know it all, in fact you know NOTHING about Life "back then" and you refuse to learn. Otherwise, none of you would want to go back in time, it would scare you to death!
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#73594 Mar 23, 2013
Come on SSS, the Waltons looked pretty happy to me.And I'll betcha they had hawthorn berries growing on the back 40.
Besides Bernie Sanders says there is not a SS problem for the next 20 or so. And if they just raise the age for SS at the rate we're going we'll be history before we collect it anyway.
To cut the SS is a friggen scam at this point.They were suppose to keep their mits off the SS money but blew it.
SS has nothing to do with any of the mess they got us into.
It's a bunch of BS like the WMDs.
tinky winky light bear

United States

#73595 Mar 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
Tinky winky light bear, how are you today? Thought I'd say hello before I head out to Walmart to get some chinese junk.
im otay ty,how are you? I'd be much better if i had my jbear tho :):):)

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#73596 Mar 23, 2013
Unreal wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you that the costs are too high, and the meds are too widely prescribed. If you go to the doc and look at your EOB, you see the small amount of the charge that the insurance company actually pays for those high priced services and meds. We are not ones to run to the doc for every little thing, and the actual amount the insurance pays out on us is a fraction of the amount we pay in premiums. If individuals could get the same prices as the insurance companies, and if not for the risk of catastrophic illness, it would be less expensive to pay out of pocket.
My spouse's doctor prescribed two patent meds for cholesterol that were approximately $300 each per month. He took them for a couple of years, but they caused severe joint pain (not to mention the potential serious liver side effects), so he stopped taking them. I knew he needed to control it in some way and I had heard about red yeast rice and garlic, so I got it for him to try. His doc said his cholesterol is better than it has ever been, but he wasn't too happy when he found out it was because of the inexpensive supplements instead of the prescriptions…
Unreal, is this an Over-the-counter Supplement? Please provide specific information, as much of it as possible, because I would like to try this. Any references to read up on it, would be helpful, also. Thanks , in advance.
tinky winky light bear

United States

#73597 Mar 23, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
<quoted text>
What is wrong with you People that you want to go back in time when Living was so hard in this Country that most People suffered and died painful deaths at an early age? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
If you hate your Life that much, then CHANGE IT! I don't know where you get the idea that those days were all Milk and Honey, THEY WERE NOT!
You need to watch some Doumentaries about Life "back then", listen to some elderly People, who listened to their Parents and Grandparents tell about what Life was really like "back then"! But, most of all, you need to listen to other People of the generation before you because they have a wealth of information to help you. You don't know it all, in fact you know NOTHING about Life "back then" and you refuse to learn. Otherwise, none of you would want to go back in time, it would scare you to death!
they may have been and may be that way once again :):):)
tinky winky light bear

United States

#73598 Mar 23, 2013
Is my liver failing? Lmbo
tinky winky light bear

United States

#73599 Mar 23, 2013
I dont like it wen ppl get hurt.
Unreal

Dandridge, TN

#73600 Mar 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
It was from the health food store. Off hand the name "
blood pressure factors "comes to mind. An ingredient was hawthorn berries. Organic coconut oil also is good.
Have him go to the healthfood store they can help or online has that info.Wnen I find out the actual name and I'm in Mexico I'll tell ya'
"Wnen I find out the actual name and I'm in Mexico I'll tell ya'"?
Are you going on a trip?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#73601 Mar 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
Come on SSS, the Waltons looked pretty happy to me.And I'll betcha they had hawthorn berries growing on the back 40.
Besides Bernie Sanders says there is not a SS problem for the next 20 or so. And if they just raise the age for SS at the rate we're going we'll be history before we collect it anyway.
To cut the SS is a friggen scam at this point.They were suppose to keep their mits off the SS money but blew it.
SS has nothing to do with any of the mess they got us into.
It's a bunch of BS like the WMDs.
You're exactly right. But, if and when this Nation ever does become economically sound, they Govt. will have to pick up those IOU's unless they can destroy the Program before then. And the TEApublicans are literally foaming at the mouth with anticipation, at the very thought of getting their greedy hands on that 3 plus Trillion dollars in that Reserve Fund!

And just for the Ones of you that don't know, Nothing about Medicare is FREE for the Retirees! Every separate part of the coverage comes out of their Social Security Check and the Deductibles have to be paid out-of-pocket and so does everything over the 80% that Medicare Pays, unless One buys a Supplemental Insurance from a Private Insurance Company for thousands of dollars per year and it will only cover certain things. The more they cover, the more thounsands per year they costs. And now, our "wages" aren't going up enough per year, if at all, enough to even offset the increased price of groceries thanks, this year, to the TEApublican-controlled Congress! Social Security Retirees didn't even get a raise the previous 2 years, and we all know how prices of everything have gone up in the last 3 years.

So, if you can advocate for that kind of treatment for the Social Security Retirees who built this Country, who are too old now to do your Slave Labor, you're the Lost Cause Of Humanity, anyway and this Country does NOT need People like you, nor want them! We've got way to many of you already that should be purged from our Society!

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#73603 Mar 23, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>Now Willard, you promised me that you would not respond to my post.
Tsk,tsk,tsk, "Thy shall not lie".........oh yeah for you that only happens on Sunday for about an hour with your lil' congregation.
If you're feeling insecure regarding my return posts, All you have to do is ask, and it shall be given...my son!

But, if all you're looking for is the complaint department, just leave a post and I'll get back with you at my earliest convenience!:)
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#73604 Mar 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
Come on SSS, the Waltons looked pretty happy to me.And I'll betcha they had hawthorn berries growing on the back 40.
Besides Bernie Sanders says there is not a SS problem for the next 20 or so. And if they just raise the age for SS at the rate we're going we'll be history before we collect it anyway.
To cut the SS is a friggen scam at this point.They were suppose to keep their mits off the SS money but blew it.
SS has nothing to do with any of the mess they got us into.
It's a bunch of BS like the WMDs.
The program was not designed to have a surplus. It was supposd to be a contract between generations where you and I work and pay in and those dollars go out to pay for our grandparent's retirement. Then when it is our turn to retire, it will be our grandchildren's dollars paying for ours. Then came the baby boomers, and....birth control. So we had a big generation which would retire without a big generation to pay for it. The trust fund trustees started sounding alarm bells about this and Reagan and a democratically controlled congress raised the retirement age in stages to 67 for full benefits and raised the rate paid by the boomers to cushion the demographic reality. The overage paid into the trust fund was invested in United States Treasuries which pay interest.
The real "problem" with Social Security is now that the boomers are retireing in large numbers, the trust fund will start cashing those treasuries...and that has politicians screaming bloody murder because they will have to find the money to honor those treasuries and the interest owed. SOME of the politicians have concluded the best way to handle this is not to pay them at all, but instead to shaft the retirees out of their retirement. Why am I not surprised ??
Bernie is right that the trust fund has plenty of money to pay out full benefits for 20 or so years...by cashing those treasuries. After that the trust fund can pay out 75% of benefits for the forseeable future. The pols are hand wringing about how to pay those treasuries yet they NEVER mention that there might be a problem honoring our obligations to pay the proceeds of treasuries to the Communist Chinese....what is wrong with this picture ???

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#73605 Mar 23, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
<quoted text>
You're exactly right. But, if and when this Nation ever does become economically sound, they Govt. will have to pick up those IOU's unless they can destroy the Program before then. And the TEApublicans are literally foaming at the mouth with anticipation, at the very thought of getting their greedy hands on that 3 plus Trillion dollars in that Reserve Fund!
And just for the Ones of you that don't know, Nothing about Medicare is FREE for the Retirees! Every separate part of the coverage comes out of their Social Security Check and the Deductibles have to be paid out-of-pocket and so does everything over the 80% that Medicare Pays, unless One buys a Supplemental Insurance from a Private Insurance Company for thousands of dollars per year and it will only cover certain things. The more they cover, the more thounsands per year they costs. And now, our "wages" aren't going up enough per year, if at all, enough to even offset the increased price of groceries thanks, this year, to the TEApublican-controlled Congress! Social Security Retirees didn't even get a raise the previous 2 years, and we all know how prices of everything have gone up in the last 3 years.
So, if you can advocate for that kind of treatment for the Social Security Retirees who built this Country, who are too old now to do your Slave Labor, you're the Lost Cause Of Humanity, anyway and this Country does NOT need People like you, nor want them! We've got way to many of you already that should be purged from our Society!
Please, can someone take the lap-top away from "Chuckie"?:)
Union Lady

Livingston, TN

#73606 Mar 23, 2013
Canada labor is significantly higher public sector employment and because of the prevalence of unions.
Pete

Blacksburg, SC

#73607 Mar 23, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
<quoted text>
What is wrong with you People that you want to go back in time when Living was so hard in this Country that most People suffered and died painful deaths at an early age? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
If you hate your Life that much, then CHANGE IT! I don't know where you get the idea that those days were all Milk and Honey, THEY WERE NOT!
You need to watch some Doumentaries about Life "back then", listen to some elderly People, who listened to their Parents and Grandparents tell about what Life was really like "back then"! But, most of all, you need to listen to other People of the generation before you because they have a wealth of information to help you. You don't know it all, in fact you know NOTHING about Life "back then" and you refuse to learn. Otherwise, none of you would want to go back in time, it would scare you to death!
OMG!
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#73608 Mar 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
Come on SSS, the Waltons looked pretty happy to me.And I'll betcha they had hawthorn berries growing on the back 40.
You can go back to the days of the Waltons if you want to...no indoor bathrooms, no central heat and no heat in the bedrooms at all. Sleeping under enough quilts that you can't turn over in bed. Hand-me-down clothes, washboards, wood stoves no air conditioning,......no thanks.. I already lived that and no hawthorn berry is going to make me "happy" enough to go back to that life....The only Walton life I would like to try for a while is as a member of Mr. Sam Walton's clan.
WILLARD

Dunlap, TN

#73609 Mar 23, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> The program was not designed to have a surplus. It was supposd to be a contract between generations where you and I work and pay in and those dollars go out to pay for our grandparent's retirement. Then when it is our turn to retire, it will be our grandchildren's dollars paying for ours. Then came the baby boomers, and....birth control. So we had a big generation which would retire without a big generation to pay for it. The trust fund trustees started sounding alarm bells about this and Reagan and a democratically controlled congress raised the retirement age in stages to 67 for full benefits and raised the rate paid by the boomers to cushion the demographic reality. The overage paid into the trust fund was invested in United States Treasuries which pay interest.
The real "problem" with Social Security is now that the boomers are retireing in large numbers, the trust fund will start cashing those treasuries...and that has politicians screaming bloody murder because they will have to find the money to honor those treasuries and the interest owed. SOME of the politicians have concluded the best way to handle this is not to pay them at all, but instead to shaft the retirees out of their retirement. Why am I not surprised ??
Bernie is right that the trust fund has plenty of money to pay out full benefits for 20 or so years...by cashing those treasuries. After that the trust fund can pay out 75% of benefits for the forseeable future. The pols are hand wringing about how to pay those treasuries yet they NEVER mention that there might be a problem honoring our obligations to pay the proceeds of treasuries to the Communist Chinese....what is wrong with this picture ???
While your analysis "appears" to be extensive in identifying reasons for gross SS insolvency, you conspicuously left out the primary causative failure. Yes, even corrupt congressmen have conceded that Congress has bled the SS fund for every immoral reason thinkable, bankrupting its economic health to the point we're in now. If you need a refresher, I'll be glad to help. You may or may not recall Senator J. Helms' work in this regard. He entered into the congressional record a bonified accounting of congressional misdeeds in this regard. Why is it impossible for you to point to the "obvious," instead of blaming "baby-boomers" for the disaster caused by federal larceny and blatent government corruption? I've got news, this is not new territory, this "mess" has been covered many times before. Your attributions asserted here are erroneous to the level of absurd! Additionally, If I were a committed socialist activist, this is exacly the kind of propaganda garbage I'd offer to those dumb enough to believe it!
tea party tea party

Milan, TN

#73610 Mar 23, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
<quoted text>
You're exactly right. But, if and when this Nation ever does become economically sound, they Govt. will have to pick up those IOU's unless they can destroy the Program before then. And the TEApublicans are literally foaming at the mouth with anticipation, at the very thought of getting their greedy hands on that 3 plus Trillion dollars in that Reserve Fund!
And just for the Ones of you that don't know, Nothing about Medicare is FREE for the Retirees! Every separate part of the coverage comes out of their Social Security Check and the Deductibles have to be paid out-of-pocket and so does everything over the 80% that Medicare Pays, unless One buys a Supplemental Insurance from a Private Insurance Company for thousands of dollars per year and it will only cover certain things. The more they cover, the more thounsands per year they costs. And now, our "wages" aren't going up enough per year, if at all, enough to even offset the increased price of groceries thanks, this year, to the TEApublican-controlled Congress! Social Security Retirees didn't even get a raise the previous 2 years, and we all know how prices of everything have gone up in the last 3 years.
So, if you can advocate for that kind of treatment for the Social Security Retirees who built this Country, who are too old now to do your Slave Labor, you're the Lost Cause Of Humanity, anyway and this Country does NOT need People like you, nor want them! We've got way to many of you already that should be purged from our Society!
you stupid bisexual liberal bitch....do you just post things to hear you head rattle...part A medicare is free...part B 101 dollars out of your check......supplements to pick up after the 80 percent range from 69 to 159 dollars a month...shop around....retarded liberal bitches like you may pay thousands of dollars a year which means you didnt do your homework....i got my info from my aunt who recently had a hospital stay of 33 days.....her cost 1000 dollars....250 a day for the first 4 days then nothing up to 45 days...her supplement was from a company called healthspring...now under odumacare everybodys cost will go up ..private insurance and medicare so deadbeat jackasses can have their government insuraance...tell you wife opal hi....when she finds out you are cheating with spy she will stripe that old ass.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#73611 Mar 23, 2013
Unreal wrote:
<quoted text>
"Wnen I find out the actual name and I'm in Mexico I'll tell ya'"?
Are you going on a trip?
No trip now.But Telling folks the CURE without FDA approval might just bar me from Lowes or some place,take my builders license.Just kidding.Just referring to those who went to Mexico like the Gerson Therapy and Hoxley and others because of being hounded for curing people without Chemo and Radiation.They had some satisfied customers and the establishment was not so pleased.And the FDA likes to please their Big Daddies.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#73612 Mar 23, 2013
Hey wrote:
Come on SSS, the Waltons looked pretty happy to me.And I'll betcha they had hawthorn berries growing on the back 40.
Besides Bernie Sanders says there is not a SS problem for the next 20 or so. And if they just raise the age for SS at the rate we're going we'll be history before we collect it anyway.
To cut the SS is a friggen scam at this point.They were suppose to keep their mits off the SS money but blew it.
SS has nothing to do with any of the mess they got us into.
It's a bunch of BS like the WMDs.
Looks can be deceiving, especially when you have good Script Writers.:)
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#73613 Mar 23, 2013
WILLARD wrote:
<quoted text>
While your analysis "appears" to be extensive in identifying reasons for gross SS insolvency, you conspicuously left out the primary causative failure. Yes, even corrupt congressmen have conceded that Congress has bled the SS fund for every immoral reason thinkable, bankrupting its economic health to the point we're in now. If you need a refresher, I'll be glad to help. You may or may not recall Senator J. Helms' work in this regard. He entered into the congressional record a bonified accounting of congressional misdeeds in this regard. Why is it impossible for you to point to the "obvious," instead of blaming "baby-boomers" for the disaster caused by federal larceny and blatent government corruption? I've got news, this is not new territory, this "mess" has been covered many times before. Your attributions asserted ere are erroneous to the level of absurd! Additionally, If I were a committed socialist activist, this is exacly the kind of propaganda garbage I'd offer to those dumb enough to believe it!
The facts about Social Security are as I have posted them. If you wish to post something refuting them, be my guest. YOU have the Social Security Trust Fund confused with what many congresses have done with the money that the fund "loaned" the government by the purchase of treasuries. I do not.

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