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#66950 Feb 14, 2013
Nuh wrote:
I've watched ever State of the Union since Kennedy...this last one was more like a State of Denial.
Here’s how Obama solves problems. In the middle of a Recession - Great Depression, he wants to raise the minimum wage by almost $2 per hour.
In the middle of a Great Depression he wants to raise taxes again — only days after he just raised them. In Obama’s world, we raise taxes every few weeks.
In the middle of a Great Depression with our government $100 trillion in debt, he wants to spend money on a long wish list of leftist fairy tales: from early childhood education to infrastructure to green energy to climate change to government employees to redesigning high schools to — get this one — eradicating poverty around the world.
We’re broke with $100 trillion in debt and he’s worried about poverty around the world? One in three Illinois residents lives in poverty. Maybe Obama should worry about his own State before he tackles world poverty.
Obama says we’re seeing progress, we’re in recovery, we have jobs, we have “cleared away the rubble of crisis” and we have a “strong state of the union.” I guess he wants you to forget that the 4th quarter gross domestic product was negative. Our economy is actually in contraction. And 11,000 Americans join the food stamp rolls every day. This isn’t a recovery; it’s an economic disaster.
Obama said jobs are doing better. I guess that depends on your definition of “better.” According to data from Bloomberg, from December 2011 to January 2013, nonfarm payrolls were down by 587,000. During just the past year of Obama’s “recovery,” we lost more than half a million jobs.
With a loss of 587,000 jobs, 8.5 million Americans dropping out of the workforce since Obama became President and the real unemployment number (U-6) at almost 15 percent, did you hear that Obama closed his Jobs Council last week? They hadn’t met in a year. Now that the election is over, he just closed it down. No need to meet at all. Why talk about jobs anymore?
A State of Denial and delusion.
Putting more money in circulation (higher wages for People who will spend it for necessities) helps the economy grow and is good for the Nation.
BTW, the $9.00 p.h. won't be reached until 2015 or 2016...I think. Anyway, it's not all at once, immediately. Minimum Wage raises never are, they're gradual.
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#66951 Feb 14, 2013
SexySassySenior wrote:
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Putting more money in circulation (higher wages for People who will spend it for necessities) helps the economy grow and is good for the Nation.
BTW, the $9.00 p.h. won't be reached until 2015 or 2016...I think. Anyway, it's not all at once, immediately. Minimum Wage raises never are, they're gradual.
Upping the minimum wage is a good thought, but in practice, it makes everything go up in cost, because business has to keep the same level of profits.

Some places will just go out of business because there becomes no way to make a profit at all when the wage hike hits. Still others will cut hours to limit expenses and then they dodge the health care mandate to help save money. In the end everyone gets screwed by this.

Here's a basic formula:

Increase in Min wage = Increase inflation = increase in tax collections = decrease in employement = decrease in taxes.

And another:

Increase employement = increase in income = increase in spending = increase in taxes = increase in inflation that is more sustainable.

*some varibles are just left out...said it was basic

Since: Feb 13

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#66953 Feb 14, 2013
"President Obama's Agenda: Easier Said Than Done."

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Since: Mar 10

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#66954 Feb 14, 2013
Nuh wrote:
<quoted text>
Upping the minimum wage is a good thought, but in practice, it makes everything go up in cost, because business has to keep the same level of profits.
Some places will just go out of business because there becomes no way to make a profit at all when the wage hike hits. Still others will cut hours to limit expenses and then they dodge the health care mandate to help save money. In the end everyone gets screwed by this.
Here's a basic formula:
Increase in Min wage = Increase inflation = increase in tax collections = decrease in employement = decrease in taxes.
And another:
Increase employement = increase in income = increase in spending = increase in taxes = increase in inflation that is more sustainable.
*some varibles are just left out...said it was basic
Are you advocating that the minimum wage remain static indefinitely without ever taking generational inflation into consideration? If so, it would remain at the initial 1938 level of $0.25/hr.
pauper

Livingston, TN

#66955 Feb 14, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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Are you advocating that the minimum wage remain static indefinitely without ever taking generational inflation into consideration? If so, it would remain at the initial 1938 level of $0.25/hr.
The minimum wage should be $10.00 an hour.
joe

Bellevue, WA

#66956 Feb 14, 2013
please be on the look out for sual stanley and harry small these two like preying on the old with their paving scames.and like going back robbing them or their homes.i know they have killed three old women by going in their homes robbing them.the law should really look at this two.follow them any day and your catch them in the act.
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#66957 Feb 14, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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Are you advocating that the minimum wage remain static indefinitely without ever taking generational inflation into consideration? If so, it would remain at the initial 1938 level of $0.25/hr.
I actually believe the minimum wage is a farce...but its existence at all is an argument for another time.

Research by economists David Neumark of the University of California, Irvine, William Wascher of the Federal Reserve Board, and Mark Schweitzer of the Cleveland Fed shows that that minimum wages increase poverty and hence poverty reduction certainly shouldn’t be expected as a benefit of raising the minimum wage.

That’s because, contrary to common belief, the relationship between low wages and poverty is extremely weak. According to 20 years of research - worldwide - Neumark wrote:“The principal sources of an individual’s higher earnings are more schooling and the accumulation of experience and skills in the labor market,” both of which are discouraged by increases in the minimum wage."
He goes on, "I doubt there is ever a good time to raise the minimum wage... the negative consequences are worse when unemployment is high.

The bulk of the evidence — from scores of studies, using data mainly from the U.S. but also from many other countries — clearly shows that minimum wages reduce employment of young, low-skilled people.”

Here is a link to the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Minimum-Wages-David-Neu...
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#66958 Feb 14, 2013
pauper wrote:
<quoted text>
The minimum wage should be $10.00 an hour.
Don't short-change yourself.

Again, it should be $1,000.00 an hour - that way everybody can be rich.
Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#66959 Feb 14, 2013
pauper wrote:
<quoted text>
The minimum wage should be $10.00 an hour.
You can't live on $10 an hour. If raising the minimum wage will fix everything, why not just make it $50 and hour?

If you wanna fix poverty, FIX it.

As a matter of fact, why not change it's name from minimum wage to NATIONAL wage. Everyone gets $100 an hour, no matter what you do. Doctors get the same as burger flippers. Teachers get the same as custodians. And Wall Streeters all get $100 an hour. Actors?$100 an hour.

Fair is fair. No more income inequality. No more wealth inequality, and everyone making a living wage.
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#66960 Feb 14, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't live on $10 an hour. If raising the minimum wage will fix everything, why not just make it $50 and hour?
If you wanna fix poverty, FIX it.
As a matter of fact, why not change it's name from minimum wage to NATIONAL wage. Everyone gets $100 an hour, no matter what you do. Doctors get the same as burger flippers. Teachers get the same as custodians. And Wall Streeters all get $100 an hour. Actors?$100 an hour.
Fair is fair. No more income inequality. No more wealth inequality, and everyone making a living wage.
Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen!
WILLARD

Dunlap, TN

#66961 Feb 14, 2013
Nuh wrote:
Well, from what I've seen, here's as good an assessment as any...and it involves water:
Rubio: drinking water.
Obama: treading water.
MSM: carrying water.
Americans: underwater
Thanks, I needed this! LMAO
WILLARD

Dunlap, TN

#66962 Feb 14, 2013
Nuh wrote:
<quoted text>
I actually believe the minimum wage is a farce...but its existence at all is an argument for another time.
Research by economists David Neumark of the University of California, Irvine, William Wascher of the Federal Reserve Board, and Mark Schweitzer of the Cleveland Fed shows that that minimum wages increase poverty and hence poverty reduction certainly shouldn’t be expected as a benefit of raising the minimum wage.
That’s because, contrary to common belief, the relationship between low wages and poverty is extremely weak. According to 20 years of research - worldwide - Neumark wrote:“The principal sources of an individual’s higher earnings are more schooling and the accumulation of experience and skills in the labor market,” both of which are discouraged by increases in the minimum wage."
He goes on, "I doubt there is ever a good time to raise the minimum wage... the negative consequences are worse when unemployment is high.
The bulk of the evidence — from scores of studies, using data mainly from the U.S. but also from many other countries — clearly shows that minimum wages reduce employment of young, low-skilled people.”
Here is a link to the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Minimum-Wages-David-Neu...
Thanks Nuh, excellent post.
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#66963 Feb 14, 2013
Nuh wrote:
<quoted text>
I actually believe the minimum wage is a farce...but its existence at all is an argument for another time.
Research by economists David Neumark of the University of California, Irvine, William Wascher of the Federal Reserve Board, and Mark Schweitzer of the Cleveland Fed shows that that minimum wages increase poverty and hence poverty reduction certainly shouldn’t be expected as a benefit of raising the minimum wage.
That’s because, contrary to common belief, the relationship between low wages and poverty is extremely weak. According to 20 years of research - worldwide - Neumark wrote:“The principal sources of an individual’s higher earnings are more schooling and the accumulation of experience and skills in the labor market,” both of which are discouraged by increases in the minimum wage."
He goes on, "I doubt there is ever a good time to raise the minimum wage... the negative consequences are worse when unemployment is high.
The bulk of the evidence — from scores of studies, using data mainly from the U.S. but also from many other countries — clearly shows that minimum wages reduce employment of young, low-skilled people.”
Here is a link to the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Minimum-Wages-David-Neu...
Nuh, I believe you really have good intensions, but when Mr. Neumark spoke of 20 years of research - worldwide......I stopped right there, and thought to myself just where did he go in those 20 years?
I myself have seen poverty all over the world and the poor being taken advantage of with the cheapest of labor.
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#66964 Feb 14, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't live on $10 an hour. If raising the minimum wage will fix everything, why not just make it $50 and hour?
If you wanna fix poverty, FIX it.
As a matter of fact, why not change it's name from minimum wage to NATIONAL wage. Everyone gets $100 an hour, no matter what you do. Doctors get the same as burger flippers. Teachers get the same as custodians. And Wall Streeters all get $100 an hour. Actors?$100 an hour.
Fair is fair. No more income inequality. No more wealth inequality, and everyone making a living wage.
What? Wall Streeters at %100 dollars an hour? Most Wall Streeters belong in prison.

Since: Mar 10

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#66965 Feb 14, 2013
Nuh wrote:
<quoted text>
I actually believe the minimum wage is a farce...but its existence at all is an argument for another time.
Research by economists David Neumark of the University of California, Irvine, William Wascher of the Federal Reserve Board, and Mark Schweitzer of the Cleveland Fed shows that that minimum wages increase poverty and hence poverty reduction certainly shouldn’t be expected as a benefit of raising the minimum wage.
That’s because, contrary to common belief, the relationship between low wages and poverty is extremely weak. According to 20 years of research - worldwide - Neumark wrote:“The principal sources of an individual’s higher earnings are more schooling and the accumulation of experience and skills in the labor market,” both of which are discouraged by increases in the minimum wage."
He goes on, "I doubt there is ever a good time to raise the minimum wage... the negative consequences are worse when unemployment is high.
The bulk of the evidence — from scores of studies, using data mainly from the U.S. but also from many other countries — clearly shows that minimum wages reduce employment of young, low-skilled people.”
Here is a link to the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Minimum-Wages-David-Neu...
I fail to see the logic in the notion that minimal increases in the minimum wage magically cause even a plurality of citizens to decide they don't want to do any better than the bare minimum. I just can't understand how minimum wage eliminates the inherent desire for advancing one's personal level of (if nothing else) wealth accumulation and, subsequently, the ability to own more "stuff."
Hey

Cookeville, TN

#66966 Feb 14, 2013
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Hey

Cookeville, TN

#66967 Feb 14, 2013
Stop Trade Deficit Massive Job & Tax Loses
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Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#66968 Feb 14, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
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I fail to see the logic in the notion that minimal increases in the minimum wage magically cause even a plurality of citizens to decide they don't want to do any better than the bare minimum. I just can't understand how minimum wage eliminates the inherent desire for advancing one's personal level of (if nothing else) wealth accumulation and, subsequently, the ability to own more "stuff."
I agree to at least some of this OA - in that I can't understand why one wouldn't have the desire to advance one's personal level...One with any ambition at all would want to succeed - and do whatever is needed to do so.

However, as an employer I've seen many people of all ages and races that their whole desire is to do just enough for them - nothing more. They make minimum wage, if they work at all, and they have no desire or ability to ever rise above that level. They hop from job to job, and rely on the government (i.e. taxpayers) to support them between jobs.

That's not a 'safety net' to help protect poor or underprivileged giving them a 'hand-up'. That's a personal decision to remain where they are with their hands out.

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#66969 Feb 14, 2013
"FreedonWorks Made Video Of Fake Giant Panda Having Sex With Fake Hillary Clinton."

("The Investigation at the influential Tea Party Group could get weird.")

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Begging

Knoxville, TN

#66970 Feb 14, 2013
Please remove this post...the election is long since over..this is so boring..

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