Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63452 Jan 24, 2013
Unreal wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you changing post names and talking to yourself. Are you an offspring of Willards?
Whose Willards?
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#63456 Jan 24, 2013
Wonder IF wrote:
<quoted text>
NOT SO It was Wilson that send in advisors to the French. Eisenhower sent in more. Kennedy sent in more and allowed the advisors that were there to combat situations.
Johnson may a speech that stated he would not sent our boys over there to VietNamn but by the time he had left office 6 years later, 47,000+ of our "BOYS" had died over there.
No, it was the Democrats. What you don't understand is that it could have been the Repubs if things were turned around. The economy at the time of Johnson (especially with Kennedy's assassination)was on the 'Slow' burner so-to-speak. A war as with all war put people to work making bombs, ammo, guns, tanks, you name it. This partially why Obama has not removed us entirely from Iraq and Afgan. The unemployment would hit the roof with not only returning soldiers but also people who made the materials of war. A lot of unrest like that would most certainly be bad for the dem/libsin 2014 although I do not think the libs are aware of this.
Wilson died in 1924, and if he met Ho Chi Minh, he must have sailed on the ocean liner that Ho was working on at that time......
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#63457 Jan 24, 2013
Unreal wrote:
Wow - I guess morals and convictions go away when money is involved. What happened to their outrage over life begins at conception?
Fetuses Aren't People, Says Catholic Hospital
Malpractice case has Catholic group rejecting deeply-held belief
A Colorado man is suing a Catholic hospital because his wife and the 7-month twins she was carrying died in the examination room.
Lori Stodghill, 31, died from a clogged artery, after the obstetrician on call failed to answer his pager.
The hospital's defense? They're not liable for the twins' deaths, because fetuses are not persons with legal rights in Colorado. That defense rests on state law, which asserts that the "term 'person,' as it is used in the Wrongful Death Act, encompasses only individuals born alive,'" reports the Colorado Independent.
But since the St. Thomas More Hospital is Catholic-affiliated, it adheres to the Ethical and Religious Directives of the Catholic Church. These include the statement that "the Church's defense of life encompasses the unborn" and an affirmation of "the sanctity of life 'from the moment of conception.'"
The hospital is run by Catholic Health Initiatives, a nonprofit that directs 170 other healthcare facilities nationwide.
Reminds me of a certain Tennessee congressman who wants to outlaw abortion for everyone ....except his wife, and his mistress....
Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#63458 Jan 24, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Wilson died in 1924, and if he met Ho Chi Minh, he must have sailed on the ocean liner that Ho was working on at that time......
WILSON SNUBS HO CHI MINH

Self-Determination for Europeans Only

In 1919, a young Vietnamese nationalist named Ho Chi Minh, appeared at Versailles hoping to present the assembly with an eight-point program that would result in his country's liberation from French colonial rule. These eight points included a general amnesty for Vietnamese political prisoners, equal rights for French and Vietnamese, the abolition of courts used to persecute Vietnamese patriots, freedom of the press and of thought, freedom of association and of assembly, freedom of movement and of travel abroad, freedom to go to school and to open technical and vocational schools for the Vietnamese, substitution of the system of law for that of decrees, and appointment of a Vietnamese representative in Paris to settle questions concerning Vietnamese people's interests.

Minh went to France from the United States, where he had lived for two years, because he had been inspired by President Wilson's call for the self-determination of peoples. While in the U.S. Minh had come to admire the American notion of liberty as expressed by men like Thomas Jefferson. Once he had arrived at Versailles, however, Ho Chi Minh was turned away. The French of course would not speak to him because of their colonial interests. But neither would Woodrow Wilson grant Minh a private audience; this despite Point V of Wilson's peace program, in which he had argued that in adjudicating colonial claims "the interests of the populations concerned must have equal weight with the equitable claims of the Government whose title is to be determined." Soon after Wilson's snub, Minh turned to the Bolshevik Government in Russia for assistance. It would be the beginning of Minh's lifelong association with Communism. Wilson's rebuff of Minh had tremendous consequences for the United States in the future as it was Vietnamese forces under Ho Chi Minh that defeated the United States in the Vietnamese War fifty years later.

Insert foot in mouth......
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63460 Jan 24, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
WILSON SNUBS HO CHI MINH
Self-Determination for Europeans Only
In 1919, a young Vietnamese nationalist named Ho Chi Minh, appeared at Versailles hoping to present the assembly with an eight-point program that would result in his country's liberation from French colonial rule. These eight points included a general amnesty for Vietnamese political prisoners, equal rights for French and Vietnamese, the abolition of courts used to persecute Vietnamese patriots, freedom of the press and of thought, freedom of association and of assembly, freedom of movement and of travel abroad, freedom to go to school and to open technical and vocational schools for the Vietnamese, substitution of the system of law for that of decrees, and appointment of a Vietnamese representative in Paris to settle questions concerning Vietnamese people's interests.
Minh went to France from the United States, where he had lived for two years, because he had been inspired by President Wilson's call for the self-determination of peoples. While in the U.S. Minh had come to admire the American notion of liberty as expressed by men like Thomas Jefferson. Once he had arrived at Versailles, however, Ho Chi Minh was turned away. The French of course would not speak to him because of their colonial interests. But neither would Woodrow Wilson grant Minh a private audience; this despite Point V of Wilson's peace program, in which he had argued that in adjudicating colonial claims "the interests of the populations concerned must have equal weight with the equitable claims of the Government whose title is to be determined." Soon after Wilson's snub, Minh turned to the Bolshevik Government in Russia for assistance. It would be the beginning of Minh's lifelong association with Communism. Wilson's rebuff of Minh had tremendous consequences for the United States in the future as it was Vietnamese forces under Ho Chi Minh that defeated the United States in the Vietnamese War fifty years later.
Insert foot in mouth......


I told you---oh ye unbelivers
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63461 Jan 24, 2013
Unreal wrote:

My Bad, used it in another string.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#63462 Jan 24, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
WILSON SNUBS HO CHI MINH
Self-Determination for Europeans Only
In 1919, a young Vietnamese nationalist named Ho Chi Minh, appeared at Versailles hoping to present the assembly with an eight-point program that would result in his country's liberation from French colonial rule. These eight points included a general amnesty for Vietnamese political prisoners, equal rights for French and Vietnamese, the abolition of courts used to persecute Vietnamese patriots, freedom of the press and of thought, freedom of association and of assembly, freedom of movement and of travel abroad, freedom to go to school and to open technical and vocational schools for the Vietnamese, substitution of the system of law for that of decrees, and appointment of a Vietnamese representative in Paris to settle questions concerning Vietnamese people's interests.
Minh went to France from the United States, where he had lived for two years, because he had been inspired by President Wilson's call for the self-determination of peoples. While in the U.S. Minh had come to admire the American notion of liberty as expressed by men like Thomas Jefferson. Once he had arrived at Versailles, however, Ho Chi Minh was turned away. The French of course would not speak to him because of their colonial interests. But neither would Woodrow Wilson grant Minh a private audience; this despite Point V of Wilson's peace program, in which he had argued that in adjudicating colonial claims "the interests of the populations concerned must have equal weight with the equitable claims of the Government whose title is to be determined." Soon after Wilson's snub, Minh turned to the Bolshevik Government in Russia for assistance. It would be the beginning of Minh's lifelong association with Communism. Wilson's rebuff of Minh had tremendous consequences for the United States in the future as it was Vietnamese forces under Ho Chi Minh that defeated the United States in the Vietnamese War fifty years later.
Insert foot in mouth......
That is very interesting and something I never knew....but I see nothing in this that indicates that Wilson met Ho Chi Minh, nor any mention that Wilson sent advisors to help the French which was the contention of the post I wrote my response to.
Insert foot in mouth....
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63464 Jan 24, 2013
Truth Detector Wrote:
"In September 1950, US President Harry Truman sent the Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) to Vietnam to assist the French in the First Indochina War. "
Wonder IF Wrote:
"NOT SO It was Wilson that send in advisors to the French. Eisenhower sent in more. Kennedy sent in more and allowed the advisors that were there to combat situations"

While Wilson played a big part in future events he did not send advisors to the French. However, he was supportive of the French. WonderIF was Wrong and you Truth Detector was right.

If I may, I have found a timeline and will give the url for this on this post.
http://www.shmoop.com/vietnam-war/timeline.ht...
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63465 Jan 24, 2013
The Factual Time Line:

1919---Ho Chi Minh Ignored by Woodrow WIlson

Feb 28, 1946-----Ho Chi Minh Asks US Support-----Ho Chi Minh pens a letter to President Harry S. Truman, asking him for the support of the United States in gaining independence for Vietnam. This is Refused

Feb 4, 1950------US Gives Military Aid-----The United States recognizes Bao Dai's government, the Republic of Vietnam, and gives France $15 million in military aid.

Sep 1950--------US Military Advisors in Saigon-------The first group of U.S. military advisors—the U.S. Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG)—arrives in Saigon.

Feb 10, 1954------Eisenhower Rejects Troop Committment------President Eisenhower refuses to commit American troops to the Franco-Vietnamese War. In a press conference he states, "I cannot conceive of a greater tragedy for America than to get heavily involved now in an all-out war in any of those regions."

Apr 17, 1954-----Nixon Supports Troop Committment------In a speech before the press, Vice President Richard Nixon explains that "if to avoid further Communist expansion in Asia and Indochina we must take the risk now of putting our boys in, I think the Executive has to take the politically unpopular decision and do it."

Jul 8, 1959-----First American Deaths-----Two military advisors are killed by Viet Minh guerilla soldiers in a raid at Bien Hoa in South Vietnam. These are the first American deaths (non-combat) reported in Vietnam.

May 5, 1960----US Increases Advisors-----The United States announces that it will increase the number of military advisors in South Vietnam from 327 men to 685 men.

Nov 8, 1960-----Kennedy Elected

May 1961-----Johnson Visits South Vietnam----Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson visits South Vietnam and offers military and economic aid to Diem. By the end of the year, the U.S. military presence in Vietnam will reach 3,200 men (although combat units will not be deployed until 1965).

Dec 22, 1961-----First US Combat Death-----An American serviceman dies in Vietnam, the first combat death reported. For many Americans, the death will mark the beginning of the Vietnam War.

Mar 8, 1965----First US Combat Units-----The first U.S. combat units arrive in Vietnam.

Man, I have not done so much research in 60+ years.

Good nite.
Honestly

Beechgrove, TN

#63466 Jan 24, 2013
Got to finish it. Here is the ending!

Nov 6, 1968----Nixon Elected-----Republican Richard Nixon is elected president of the United States.

Aug 11, 1972----American Ground Forces Leave---The last U.S. ground troops leave Vietnam. Thousands of airmen, advisors, and support personnel remain.

Jan 27, 1973-----Vietnam Ceasefire Signed-----Representatives from South Vietnam, North Vietnam, and the United States sign a peace agreement in which a ceasefire is declared, the U.S. agrees to withdraw combat troops, and the government of South Vietnam promises to hold free elections to allow its people to decide their future.

Mar 1973----American POWs Released----North Vietnam releases nearly 600 American POWs.

Mar 29, 1973----Vietnam War Officially Ends

The Vietnam War is officially over for the United States. The last U.S. combat soldier leaves Vietnam, but military advisors and some Marines remain. Over 3 million Americans have served in the war, nearly 60,000 are dead, some 150,000 are wounded, and at least 1,000 are missing in action.

Hope this helps correct my memory error.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63469 Jan 25, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
WILSON SNUBS HO CHI MINH
Self-Determination for Europeans Only
In 1919, a young Vietnamese nationalist named Ho Chi Minh, appeared at Versailles hoping to present the assembly with an eight-point program that would result in his country's liberation from French colonial rule. These eight points included a general amnesty for Vietnamese political prisoners, equal rights for French and Vietnamese, the abolition of courts used to persecute Vietnamese patriots, freedom of the press and of thought, freedom of association and of assembly, freedom of movement and of travel abroad, freedom to go to school and to open technical and vocational schools for the Vietnamese, substitution of the system of law for that of decrees, and appointment of a Vietnamese representative in Paris to settle questions concerning Vietnamese people's interests.
Minh went to France from the United States, where he had lived for two years, because he had been inspired by President Wilson's call for the self-determination of peoples. While in the U.S. Minh had come to admire the American notion of liberty as expressed by men like Thomas Jefferson. Once he had arrived at Versailles, however, Ho Chi Minh was turned away. The French of course would not speak to him because of their colonial interests. But neither would Woodrow Wilson grant Minh a private audience; this despite Point V of Wilson's peace program, in which he had argued that in adjudicating colonial claims "the interests of the populations concerned must have equal weight with the equitable claims of the Government whose title is to be determined." Soon after Wilson's snub, Minh turned to the Bolshevik Government in Russia for assistance. It would be the beginning of Minh's lifelong association with Communism. Wilson's rebuff of Minh had tremendous consequences for the United States in the future as it was Vietnamese forces under Ho Chi Minh that defeated the United States in the Vietnamese War fifty years later.
Insert foot in mouth......
In fact Pres. Woodrow Willson had a chance to end the vietnamn war before it began. >>>>>He had previously met HO CHI MIHN<<<<<<
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Previously "MET" Ho Chi Minh??? BTW, you can take YOUR foot out of your mouth now!!!

You're not a very good "truth teller", are you, Truth Detector? You see, it's the Fox Fake News influence, again...you just have to change and distort the truth about everybody and everything!...and sometimes, you and they just outright LIE! You've got to stop letting them mess with your mind and influence your behavior...and they do , whether you realize it or not!
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#63471 Jan 25, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> Reminds me of a certain Tennessee congressman who wants to outlaw abortion for everyone ....except his wife, and his mistress....
I believe your talking about my Congressman Scott Desjarlais(pro-life, family values.......for others but not himself)who helped throw fellow Republican Gov. Christie under the bus by voting no on Hurricane Sandy Relief. I have sent him a few request by e-mail and buy phone but for some reason I have never recieved anything back........maybe he has a firewall set up for Democrats. Or maybe he is to busy trying to cover his tracks.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63472 Jan 25, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>I believe your talking about my Congressman Scott Desjarlais(pro-life, family values.......for others but not himself)who helped throw fellow Republican Gov. Christie under the bus by voting no on Hurricane Sandy Relief. I have sent him a few request by e-mail and buy phone but for some reason I have never recieved anything back........maybe he has a firewall set up for Democrats. Or maybe he is to busy trying to cover his tracks.
Well Dunlapian, he does have some awfully BIG tracks to cover!:)

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63473 Jan 25, 2013
You Guys have been wanting me to disagree with Obama, and the Dems, on an Issue...well Baby, here it is! This is total discrimination and BS!
----------
"Older Smokers Priced Out Of Obamacare."

Click here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57565787/...
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#63474 Jan 25, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>I believe your talking about my Congressman Scott Desjarlais(pro-life, family values.......for others but not himself)who helped throw fellow Republican Gov. Christie under the bus by voting no on Hurricane Sandy Relief. I have sent him a few request by e-mail and buy phone but for some reason I have never recieved anything back........maybe he has a firewall set up for Democrats. Or maybe he is to busy trying to cover his tracks.
Several years ago (at least 12) I went to him in Jasper when I was sick and my regular doc couldn't see me soon enough. He checked me out and all - but then said he couldn't write me a prescription. I was like - WHAT?!?!? Just what good is a doc who can't write prescriptions?

Turns out he was under some sort of disciplinary action from the state board of docs or whatever it is for something he had done back then. I only went to him that one time...and I didn't vote for him the last two rounds either.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63475 Jan 25, 2013
Nuh wrote:
<quoted text>
Several years ago (at least 12) I went to him in Jasper when I was sick and my regular doc couldn't see me soon enough. He checked me out and all - but then said he couldn't write me a prescription. I was like - WHAT?!?!? Just what good is a doc who can't write prescriptions?
Turns out he was under some sort of disciplinary action from the state board of docs or whatever it is for something he had done back then. I only went to him that one time...and I didn't vote for him the last two rounds either.
Good for you, Nuh! But, unfortunately, enough People did vote for him to get him elected, obviously. That's a real shame, IMO!
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#63477 Jan 25, 2013
Really Sassy wrote:
You Guys have been wanting me to disagree with Obama, and the Dems, on an Issue...well Baby, here it is! This is total discrimination and BS!
----------
"Older Smokers Priced Out Of Obamacare."
Click here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57565787/...
I remember reading the part about allowing the insurers to charge a penalty for smoking in the law "Sassy", but I understood it to say that the subsidy would apply to the penalty as well as the premium. Apparently I was wrong, and it will not be the first time !
The entire idea of the ACA was to share the risk over the entire population, removing the ability to prohibit coverages for those who need them most and consequently, have the greatest potential to be unprofitable for insurers. This provision defeats that purpose. One more reason why the answer to universal health insurance for all Americans was Medicare for all, not a Heritage Foundation creation....still... Obamacare is better than the status quo.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63478 Jan 25, 2013
I got the "Be Polite and Don't use Profanity" Warning from topix for trying to post the above Post! Topix and their Moderators are some of the DUMBEST People on the face of the Earth!

NOW Moderator, how do you like that for NOT being Polite??? DAMN!...and there's your PROFANITY!!!

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#63479 Jan 25, 2013
I didn't get the "Warning" for the previous post...now, you tell me that the Moderator isn't "higher than a Georgia Pine"...on STUPIDITY, if nothing else!
Wonder IF

Beechgrove, TN

#63480 Jan 25, 2013
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text> I remember reading the part about allowing the insurers to charge a penalty for smoking in the law "Sassy", but I understood it to say that the subsidy would apply to the penalty as well as the premium. Apparently I was wrong, and it will not be the first time !
The entire idea of the ACA was to share the risk over the entire population, removing the ability to prohibit coverages for those who need them most and consequently, have the greatest potential to be unprofitable for insurers. This provision defeats that purpose. One more reason why the answer to universal health insurance for all Americans was Medicare for all, not a Heritage Foundation creation....still... Obamacare is better than the status quo.
You think you have an inherent ?RIGHT? to healthcare. It gonna run people out of business and your jobs (if you have them)are gonna be in the past. Me, I am old enough to get on Social Security, Medicare. Gonna get on welfare and disability as well. Sit back watch the rest of you Yo-Yos sink deeper and deeper. You see, the other side can play at the same game.

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