Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#61346 Jan 3, 2013
Pretty much explains why we're in the mess we're in:

The Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average US household below the poverty line received $168 a day in government support.

The median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day.

So, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $24 an hour.

And the person who works also has to pay taxes, which drops his pay to $21 an hour.

Welfare is now the biggest part of the budget, more than Social Security or defense.

And why would anyone want to get off welfare when working pays $9 an hour less?
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#61347 Jan 3, 2013
Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
With all due respect, you are misinformed once again. Whatever you want to call it, a tax break expiring resulting in having to pay more taxes is basically a tax hike. And this one hit every American getting a paycheck. The dividend tax was also raised. Believe it or not, a lot of retirees have invested their retirement IRA's, Roth and various other retirement plans in stocks that don't produce a lot of capital appreciation but do have a good dividend yield. This dividend yield provides a steady income stream to the retirees like myself that compliments social security. I am not rich by any means and rely heavily on dividend income just to pay the mortgage. This tax hike hit the wealthy AND the middle class.
You can post all the links you want, but the result is still the same. Our economy is hurting, unemployment is high, we have a tremendous debt load and running a huge deficit and our government's answer to this was to raise taxes and add to the deficit. This action can only produce one result and it isn't good. You may feel better that the wealthy now have to pay more, but this action is not going to improve your life one bit. This only worsened a bad situation. This is what politics does. You like to blame those who oppose your way of thinking on Fox News, but I have never watched Fox News in my life and Fox News has no affect on the economy whatsoever. This is the same thing as saying "Dancing With The Stars" has an affect on our economy.
True, people are hurting. But the problem lies within our political process - democrat and republican. As long as both sides neglect to compromise, we will suffer until we eventually end up like Greece where we are forced to do something after it is too late. I don't think Fox News is keeping our politicians from acting on our behalf instead of theirs.
When we control the world's reserve currency, have the world's largest economy, are the largest producer of food in the world, have the largest and most powerful military in the world, and are the only superpower, there is no danger that we will become Greece. This is how mis-information rules.
Income Taxes AFTER the raise that was voted on, are the lowest they have been in my LIFETIME, and if we wish to keep the number 1 position in the world, they will need to rise to much higher levels than they are.
The dividend rate increase will be small potatoes compared to what cuts in Social Security and Medicare will do to your bottom line, not to mention what it will do to those who have no dividend income to BE taxed.
You say that Fox has no effect on the economy, BUT the mis-information comes from SOMEWHERE. I read a poll here on Topix this morning....and it illustrates the degree to which average Americans are brainwashed by outlets such as Fox. That poll asks for votes on the most liberal president. Guess who is winning ? Barack Obama at 53%......FDR, the designer of the New Deal and the OBVIOUS choice for anyone that has even a basic understanding of history gets 16% and LBJ the creator of the Great Society and the OBVIOUS second choice gets 6%....Compared to those two liberals, Obama governs like Goldwater.
And you think "Sassy" is uninformed ?
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#61348 Jan 3, 2013
The House GOP just let, "Violence Against Women Act", passed by the Senate die without a vote!
Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#61349 Jan 3, 2013
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Really Sassy wrote:
<quoted text>
No, for the Average American, Taxes were NOT raised...
The democrats love morons who think this way. Yeahhh! Our taxes aren’t going up!!!!

Hey! Why’s my take home pay LESS?

The legislation did nothing to prevent a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax from expiring. In 2012, that 2-percentage-point cut in the payroll tax was worth about $1,000 to a worker making $50,000 a year.

And if you make less than $50K per year, you’re better off on welfare anyway.

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Really Sassy wrote:
<quoted text>
the Temporary Tax BREAKS that were put in place to help the People, because of the Recession, were just allowed to expire!
So you’re admitting that the Bush tax cuts were a good thing.

Tax cuts = economy stimulus.
Tax increases = economy stoppage.

Then why would you ever increase taxes on anyone?
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#61350 Jan 3, 2013
Pete wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok,I will answer your questions, and again, with all due respect, please try to keep from homing in on politics, your spite for the wealthy or anything else emotional.
The wealthiest income earners pay a higher rate than I do. We are part of a progressive tax system. The more you make the more you get taxes. Wealthy people who do not have to work for an income have investment income. Investment income is taxed at the same rate for everyone. Comparing investment income to earned income is like comparing apples to oranges. The IRS set up lower tax rates for investment income to incent investment. The wealthy had to have earned income to invest or they inherited income to invest. The earned income was taxed at a higher rate than lower income earners and inherited income was taxed at estate tax rates. The money they have net of their taxes was put at risk in investments. Some investments earn big rewards, some cause big losses. Putting money at risk wisely can sometimes pay off. What you don't hear about is the money lost in investments. There are also tax incentives for losses but nobody ever talks about these. But to simply answer your question, the wealthy pay higher tax rates than me in earned income and pay the exact same as me in investment income. Regarding your second question, I don't think you fully understand the politics that went on during this deal. Republicans didn't want any taxes raised whether it be wealthy people or poor people. However, they were willing to raise rates on the wealthy, get the tax break in place for payroll taxes as long as this increase in tax revenue was not used for additional spending and used to reduce the deficit. The senate would not agree to this. Their stance was no deal on any spending cuts. Congress's stance was no deal unless there are spending cuts. Alas, they were at an impasse. This is why I do not blame strictly the Republicans because we are not going to get back on our feet until the debt load and deficit are reduced. Sooner or later, at this rate, we are going to get to a point where we can tax our population 100% and not be able to pay the interest on our debt. Our tax money won't be going back to the citizens, it will be going to whoever is loaning us all this money. You also forget that almost half of our population don't pay any taxes at all. To me, this is a good enough break.
I can sincerely and respectfully say that I am not a big fan of politics for either side. I am retired and saved for my retirement. I can pay my bills and live somewhat comfortably, but I can't afford luxuries that are not necessary to keep me alive. I am willing to pay more in taxes to see our country reduce its debt. I am not for paying more taxes to see our government spend more money. I am not saying our country is full of freeloaders, but I do know our country's work ethic is not what it used to be. Just look at how many people who can't afford it play the lottery.
In my opinion, our country needs to be lead by people who want to better our country rather than their political careers. Only then will we get our feet back under us. Our political system is the demon, not the wealthy, not Fox News, not Republicans and not Democrats. If you are placed in a situation where the only possible outcome is failure, does that make you a failure? Our congressmen and senators are put in this type of scenario.
If I understand you correctly, you think a wealthy person's money is worth more than my time. I strongly disagree. Every minute I get is precious to me including the ones I am wasting now. That rich man's money is easily replaced but the 40 hours a week I may spend laboring for him will never be replaced, yet he gets a lower tax rate for his "investment" of money than I get for investing 40 hours of my life. That wealthy man may double his money or lose half of it but my 40 hours are gone forever.....yet they are taxed at a HIGHER rate than his "investments".

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#61351 Jan 3, 2013
Nuh wrote:
<quoted text>
That is fine! I truly wish the federal gov't would quit spending money we do not have. It doesn't matter where the pork goes - it shouldn't be involved with Sandy relief.
Never again try to assert that we are a "Christian Nation."
Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#61352 Jan 3, 2013
Al Gore's "Current TV", the liberal channel devoted to wacko's, has been up for sale.

Glenn Beck, the most hated person in the world, offered to buy it:

TheBlaze looked into buying it but we were rejected by progressive owners."

Was Beck serious? Yep. The Wall Street Journal caught the detail in its coverage: "Glenn Beck's The Blaze approached Current about buying the channel last year, but was told that 'the legacy of who the network goes to is important to us and we are sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view,' according to a person familiar with the negotiations."

Did you get that? Gore said that his legacy (proving he's delusional, since he had about 10 viewers) was important to him, and he wanted to sell to someone who is more aligned with his point of view.

OK. I can understand that. Though he didn't build it himself, it was his baby, so who he sells it to is important to him.

So he sold it to Al Jazeera.

Classic.

Truth Detector

Jamestown, TN

#61353 Jan 3, 2013
Dunlapian wrote:
The House GOP just let, "Violence Against Women Act", passed by the Senate die without a vote!
Oh my GOD!

It's now legal to beat up women? This is terrible!

What are they gonna do?
Unreal

Dandridge, TN

#61355 Jan 3, 2013
"Drunk driving incidents were down this New Years. Of course they were that is because congress was in session."

~Jay Leno~
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#61356 Jan 3, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Never again try to assert that we are a "Christian Nation."
That has nothing to do with my argument and you know it. I have no problem sending relief to Sandy victims - I just don't want millions in pork added to the bill that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Sandy relief.

Spending such as was proposed in that bill is EXACTLY why we are 16 trillion in debt and climbing.
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#61357 Jan 3, 2013
Excellent letter from a Marine.....

Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/dianne-feinstein/20...
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#61358 Jan 3, 2013
Fisker Auto Plant Dies

Delaware taxpayers appear to be getting soaked twice under a deal in which the Democratic governor lent $21.5 million to a hybrid electric carmaker to set up shop in the state. The company has yet to produce a car in Delaware, and taxpayers are footing the electric bill for the idle plant.

The deal was enthusiastically announced in 2009 by Gov. Jack Markell and Vice President Biden -- formerly Delaware's senior senator -- as a way to bring as many as 2,500 green jobs to the state.

This is never a good roll for the government -- corporate welfare, let the market put up the money, not the taxpayer.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#61359 Jan 3, 2013
Nuh wrote:
<quoted text>
That has nothing to do with my argument and you know it. I have no problem sending relief to Sandy victims - I just don't want millions in pork added to the bill that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Sandy relief.
Spending such as was proposed in that bill is EXACTLY why we are 16 trillion in debt and climbing.
And the "Terrorist Surveillance Program" had anything to do with actually watching terrorists? Did you rail against that one?

Part of the reason we are in debt is the Republicans' affinity for starting wars "off the books."
Wait-----what

Grand Rapids, MI

#61360 Jan 3, 2013
You didn't think that the people we elect to represent us actually do represent us did you?.....oh wait, you did didn't you....?

Our government is a farce. Full of fat bellied, corrupt politicians that think "We the people", are "We the subservient". We are a nation of cattle being led around blindly by a plutocratic government. The government has grown into a bloated mass that needs more and more of our hard earned money to support. What do you call a horse that cannot support itself to stand? You call it lame. Our government is the same way. It cannot support itself without us. So effectually, our government is lame. What do you typically do to a horse that is lame? You put it out of it's misery. I think we need to put our government out of OUR misery.
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#61361 Jan 3, 2013
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
And the "Terrorist Surveillance Program" had anything to do with actually watching terrorists? Did you rail against that one?
Part of the reason we are in debt is the Republicans' affinity for starting wars "off the books."
Agreed.

All I want is for the federal government - Pubs & Dems alike to QUIT SPENDING SO MUCH DANG MONEY!
Nuh

South Pittsburg, TN

#61362 Jan 3, 2013
Rosy Outlook - All Sunshine And Lolipops

Healthcare premiums are expected to RISE an average of 6% in 2013...Obamacare notwithstanding. Employers will face higher premiums and the costs will be passed along in part to employees.

Shipping costs will go up 4.5% to 4.9% at both UPS and FedEx.

Food prices on meat, poultry, and dairy products are all expected to rise in 2013. Last summer's drought caused lower yields for feed corn & grass. It costs more to feed animals that eat them. Ranchers and farmers reduced the size of thier herds due to the higher feed costs...therefore beef & chicken is gonna be higher. The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture expects food prices to rise 3.5%- 4% in 2013.

Social Security withholding UP - check that paycheck...it will show you.
Wait-----what

Grand Rapids, MI

#61363 Jan 3, 2013
Based on data from the Congressional Research Service, cumulative spending on means-tested federal welfare programs, if converted into cash, would equal $167.65 per day per household living below the poverty level. By comparison, the median household income in 2011 of $50,054 equals $137.13 per day. Additionally, spending on federal welfare benefits, if converted into cash payments, equals enough to provide $30.60 per hour, 40 hours per week, to each household living below poverty. The median household hourly wage is $25.03. After accounting for federal taxes, the median hourly wage drops to between $21.50 and $23.45, depending on a household’s deductions and filing status. State and local taxes further reduce the median household’s hourly earnings. By contrast, welfare benefits are not taxed.

The universe of means-tested welfare spending refers to programs that provide low-income assistance in the form of direct or indirect financial support—such as food stamps, free housing, child care, etc.—and which the recipient does not pay into (in contrast to Medicare or Social Security). For fiscal year 2011, CRS identified roughly 80 overlapping federal means-tested welfare programs that together represented the single largest budget item in 2011—more than the nation spends on Social Security, Medicare, or national defense. The total amount spent on these federal programs, when taken together with approximately $280 billion in state contributions, amounted to roughly $1 trillion. Nearly 95 percent of these costs come from four categories of spending: medical assistance, cash assistance, food assistance, and social / housing assistance. Under the President’s FY13 budget proposal, means-tested spending would increase an additional 30 percent over the next four years.

The diffuse and overlapping nature of federal welfare spending has led to some confusion regarding the scope and nature of benefits. For instance, Newark Mayor Cory Booker has recently received a great deal of attention for adopting the “food stamp challenge” in which he spends only $30 a week on food (the average individual benefit). The situation Booker presents, however, is not accurate: a low-income individual on food stamps may qualify for $25,000 in various forms of welfare support from the federal government on top of his or her existing income and resources—including access to 15 different food assistance programs. Further, even if one unrealistically assumes that no other welfare benefits are available, the size of the food stamp benefit increases as one’s income decreases, as the benefit is designed as a supplement to existing resources; it is explicitly not intended to be the sole source of funds for purchasing food.

http://budget.senate.gov/republican/public/in...
Hey

Manchester, TN

#61364 Jan 3, 2013
Nuh wrote:
Fisker Auto Plant Dies
Delaware taxpayers appear to be getting soaked twice under a deal in which the Democratic governor lent $21.5 million to a hybrid electric carmaker to set up shop in the state. The company has yet to produce a car in Delaware, and taxpayers are footing the electric bill for the idle plant.
The deal was enthusiastically announced in 2009 by Gov. Jack Markell and Vice President Biden -- formerly Delaware's senior senator -- as a way to bring as many as 2,500 green jobs to the state.
This is never a good roll for the government -- corporate welfare, let the market put up the money, not the taxpayer.
Hey,Cheer up the Chevy Volt will be rolling out them eletro babies in China.
Let them damn Commies pay the bills.
Dunlapian

Dunlap, TN

#61365 Jan 3, 2013
Nuh wrote:
Excellent letter from a Marine.....
Senator Dianne Feinstein,
I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.
I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.
We, the people, deserve better than you.
Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/dianne-feinstein/20...
Hey Marine, as a Vietnam Vet myself I have never ever registered any of my weapons, get with the program and stop your whining!
Really Sassy

Big Sandy, TN

#61366 Jan 3, 2013
*I didn't say that you wouldn't take home less...I said that "taxes were not raised"...and they weren't! When the economy tanked, taxes for Main St. Americans were TEMPORARILY lowered to help them and to stimulate the Economy. The percentage of that temporary Tax Reduction for the Average Working Person was raised by 2%, which is still NOT as high as the percentage Tax Rate was before the Recession!
It is NOT a Tax Raise...it is a Reduction in the TAX BREAK that you've been getting because of the Poor Economy and...it is LOWER than the Tax Rate that you will be paying when the Ecomony fully recovers...which is the actual Tax Rate you were paying when the Economy was healthy.
Now, do you get it???
Also, the Amount that was withheld from your Check to be paid into the Social Security Fund, which was also TEMPORARILY lowered to help the Working People and to stimulate the economy...was also rstored to it former amount that it was before the Recession!
I say again...your Taxes were NOT raised, they were partially restored to their former amount BEFORE you got the TAX BREAKS, due to the Recession!
If you won't watch anything but Fox Fake News, at least, read some of the numerous Links that I put up that explains all of this, so you won't continue to be totally ignorant of anything that is happening and why! The figures of the Before , the After, and the Present all all there...you just refuse to read them because it might enlighten you alittle and Heaven forbid, that should happen...is the way you and Ignorant People like you see it. Ignorance is truly Bliss, to you! What a Shame!

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