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Dec 12, 2012
 
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Proof positive that unions and solidarity cause brain damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Obama got the brain damaged vote. Go figure.
Obama berated right-to-work laws all over the country and expressed his support of union workers in Michigan ahead of the State House passing the legislation today.


"These so-called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics.

No, it's Obama and his labor unions that have everything to do with politics and nothing to do with economics. If you want to see what labor unions have to do with the economy, take a drive thru Detroit.

In 1950, according the U.S. Census Bureau, Detroit had 1,849,568 people...by 2011, it dropped to 706,585.

What has happened to the people who remain? The Census Bureau estimates there are 563,055 people age 16 or older in the city who could potentially work and be part of the labor force. But only 54.3 percent of these — or 305,479 individuals — actually do participate in the labor force, meaning they either have a job or are looking for one.
Another 257,576 of Detroit residents age 16 or older — 45.7 percent of that demographic — do not participate in the labor force. They do not have a job, and they are not looking for one.

The 224,846 residents who do have jobs, 34,500 — or 15.3 percent — have jobs with the government. Thus, this city that boasted 1,849,568 residents in 1950 has only 190,346 private-sector workers today.

Obama said in Michigan that if the federal government does not take more money away from people who have earned it, the public schools may not be able to buy school books. But the Department of Education says that in the Detroit public schools — which have books — only 7 percent of the eight graders are grade-level proficient in reading and only 4 percent are grade-level proficient in math.
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Appearing on MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Reports on Tuesday, liberal Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus lashed out against passage of Michigan's right-to-work law: "Unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling....unions aren't going to survive when people have a choice of whether to ante up the dues or to get the benefit of being free-riders."

If unions were such a good thing, you’d think people would be clamoring to join them, and happy to pay the dues without government coercion.

Being FORCED to join sounds, well, communistic doesn’t it? But then FORCE is the only thing unions know.
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Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>.....and that is what they get, without a Union. No middle class to help the economy grow, just the very rich and the very poor and the very poor pay little if any tax. The very rich know exactly how to pay just a littleif any tax or they just dump their loot offshore, and pay no tax at all.
So then the very rich have all bells and whistles(Hatteras 80, Bertram 80, Gulfstream G-650) to get away from the day to day sweatshops they run and spend it on some exotic island far far away from America.
Actually, what you get with unions is exactly what we are experiencing, unemployment, and the movement of jobs overseas.

Cost of materials fluctuate up and down. Profits fluctuate up and down. The economy on the whole fluctuates up and down. The only thing that doesn't is unionized wages.

Faced with smaller margins, and an inflexible labor pool, businesses have no choice but to look for cheaper labor. what unions didn't expect was the opening of china, and the cheapest labor in the world.

But take heart unionistas. China is going to go through the same labor revolution that we experienced in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. As the chinese laborer gets smarter and demands more, the cost of chinese labor will go up. As it goes up, American labor should be able to compete once again. But you might have to with 30 years for this to happen.

Ohm yeah. One more problem. The communist chinese government won't pass labor legislation, like America has. They'll just kill all the workers.

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By your logic, there is no middle class in Michigan. Less than 16% of workers in Michigan are union NOW. That means 84% are not in a union. So because there are not enough unions in Michigan (which is laughable)- there must not be a middle class.
Not sure what all the hub-bub is about...right to work laws allow workers the CHOICE to either join or not. They may very well choose to join - instead of being FORCED to join.
Where's all the PRO_CHOICE liberal outcry?
Um, how could only 16% of workers in Michigan belong to a union unless they already had a choice NOT to join a union?

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Dec 12, 2012
 
That would have to mean that just about the only Unions in Michigan were the Auto Workers Union and since most of the Auto Industry has either closed down or moved out of Michigan, that is the only explanation for the low number that I can think of.
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The Original Amused wrote:
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Um, how could only 16% of workers in Michigan belong to a union unless they already had a choice NOT to join a union?
Um, if they didn't join the union at a workplace that had a collective bargaining agreement...then they didn't have a job. That's a FACT.
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Dec 12, 2012
 
I actually have nothing to contribute to this circlejerk, I just want to finish getting my name on all the top threads....aaaaand DONE.
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Appearing on MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell Reports on Tuesday, liberal Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus lashed out against passage of Michigan's right-to-work law: "Unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling....unions aren't going to survive when people have a choice of whether to ante up the dues or to get the benefit of being free-riders."
If unions were such a good thing, you’d think people would be clamoring to join them, and happy to pay the dues without government coercion.
Being FORCED to join sounds, well, communistic doesn’t it? But then FORCE is the only thing unions know.
If the unions are providing a good service in whatever company you work for...everyone would be lining up to join.

Plain and simple...The RIGHT TO WORK LAW gives someone a choice to join or not join the union
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Dec 12, 2012
 
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Ah yes, the federal government has such a great track record on running things correctly - such as the federal government itself (broke), postal service (broke), social security (broke), medicare (broke), medicade (broke)...come to think of it, about the only thing the federal government can really do well is have a military that gets things done...although those $300 hammers and $500 toilet seats really do produce a drag.
Drastically cut taxes year upon year from 1980 forward, then promise no cuts in popular programs to get the votes for reelection and you get what we have. The American population is getting older and healthcare costs are going to be higher for years to come. Combine that with the loss of good jobs with benefits, and you have what we are dealing with.
Basicially, we either need higher taxes to fund these programs AND more good paying jobs that pay enough to help fund the treasury, or we go back to pre 1930 America...if you are old, well hurry and die, if you are hungry, well hurry and starve, if you are unemployed, well tough luck !
Simple choice starkly stated.
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Jackson wrote:
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By your logic, there is no middle class in Michigan. Less than 16% of workers in Michigan are union NOW. That means 84% are not in a union. So because there are not enough unions in Michigan (which is laughable)- there must not be a middle class.
Not sure what all the hub-bub is about...right to work laws allow workers the CHOICE to either join or not. They may very well choose to join - instead of being FORCED to join.
Where's all the PRO_CHOICE liberal outcry?
Unions lead the rights and increase the wages of the workers, true not everyone belongs to a Union, but they(non-union) also benefit by what the Unions bargin for.
With Unions getting weaker and weaker so will the American middle class become smaller and smaller.
The "Right to Work" means you can still have a Union but you don't have to be a Union member and you will still get all of the benefits that come with being a Union member. In other words you can just sit back and not pull your own weight and still reap all of the benefits.
Then on top of this you pull out the PRO_CHOICE issue,........you are all over the place. By your "Thought Process", I could just throw out the PRO_CHOICE issue on taxing the 2%, because I choose to tax them.
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#58813
Dec 12, 2012
 
Nuh wrote:
(D)imwits Ask For Delay to zerOcare Med Device Tax They Voted For In First Place...
In a letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid, 18 Democrat senators and senators-elect have asked for “a delay in the implementation” of the Obamacare medical device tax. Like most of the significant tax increases in Obamacare, the medical device tax is scheduled to take effect on Jan. 1, 2013, conveniently after the 2012 presidential election.
Each of the 18 Democrat signatories voted for or supported Obamacare in the first place. And now they want a sweetheart exemption from one of its most onerous provisions. Even in Washington DC, that shows a lot of gall.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/docume...
I agree ! I guess they never read the bill...I did, every LONG page of it and I knew this was in there...if they had done their jobs they would have too. Providing 40 MILLION people with health insurance costs money, and it will yield far reaching benefits. SOMEBODY has to pay for it and this is a part of the funding. But you are right this does show a lot of gall !

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Um, if they didn't join the union at a workplace that had a collective bargaining agreement...then they didn't have a job. That's a FACT.
Soooo, workplaces in Michigan DO have a choice to have a collective bargaining agreement, then? Or is all this rhetoric about "choice" just smoke and mirrors?

Again, if workers in Michigan don't have a choice but to join a union, then why is the number of union workers in Michigan not 100%?

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If the unions are providing a good service in whatever company you work for...everyone would be lining up to join.
Plain and simple...The RIGHT TO WORK LAW gives someone a choice to join or not join the union
For every Worker that does NOT join, the Union is made alittle weaker because the Members ARE the Union. To have a strong Union in that particular workplace, every Worker has to be a Union Member.
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Soooo, workplaces in Michigan DO have a choice to have a collective bargaining agreement, then? Or is all this rhetoric about "choice" just smoke and mirrors?
Again, if workers in Michigan don't have a choice but to join a union, then why is the number of union workers in Michigan not 100%?
It's law. LOL Deal with it! Well, actually, you don't have to unless you live in Michigan.

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Dec 12, 2012
 
I should have added that the Power of the Union is in the Number of Members.
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<quoted text> Drastically cut taxes year upon year from 1980 forward, then promise no cuts in popular programs to get the votes for reelection and you get what we have. The American population is getting older and healthcare costs are going to be higher for years to come. Combine that with the loss of good jobs with benefits, and you have what we are dealing with.
Basicially, we either need higher taxes to fund these programs AND more good paying jobs that pay enough to help fund the treasury, or we go back to pre 1930 America...if you are old, well hurry and die, if you are hungry, well hurry and starve, if you are unemployed, well tough luck !
Simple choice starkly stated.
Nothing about spending? Clinton's entire budget in 1991 was 1.2 trillion. Today, that's just the deficit. How can you have an intelligent discussion without including anything about spending.

You have made the case for going back to 91% tax rates. Ok, as long as we go back to that era's spending rate.

Unemployed, tough luck? How about unemployed, and we'll pay you to stay that way.

And when you stop looking, we won't count you anymore so the unemployment rate goes down, making it look - to stupid people at least - like your policies are working.

You have to admit, we DO have a spending problem. And your tax the rich isn't going to fix it, because all the extra money that taxing the rich is going to bring in is earmarked for his additional spending plans.

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Dec 12, 2012
 
"Was Mitt Romney's Jeep Ad Really The 'Lie Of The Year'?"

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Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>Unions lead the rights and increase the wages of the workers, true not everyone belongs to a Union, but they(non-union) also benefit by what the Unions bargin for.
With Unions getting weaker and weaker so will the American middle class become smaller and smaller.
The "Right to Work" means you can still have a Union but you don't have to be a Union member and you will still get all of the benefits that come with being a Union member. In other words you can just sit back and not pull your own weight and still reap all of the benefits.
Then on top of this you pull out the PRO_CHOICE issue,........you are all over the place. By your "Thought Process", I could just throw out the PRO_CHOICE issue on taxing the 2%, because I choose to tax them.
I wish you WOULD throw out the taxing the 2%, because it's a lie designed to appeal to stupid people. If you were limiting it to ONLY the 2%, you might not get much of an argument. But while you call it the 2%, it includes everyone who makes $250K. People who make 250K are not in the 2%. They are well into the 98%.

But then your party thrives on lies and stupid people.

C'mon workers of America. Get behind Jesse Jackson who called for a one day nationwide strike. But let's not be pussies about this. Go on strike for a month. That'll teach'em. In fact, make it six months. Or a year. That'll bring those corporate nazi's to their knees.

Power to the people!! Yeah!!!!!

Kommrades, pay attention to early 20th century Russia, and what the proletariat did to the Czars. They really showed them who's boss.

By the way, how'd that all work out?

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Soooo, workplaces in Michigan DO have a choice to have a collective bargaining agreement, then? Or is all this rhetoric about "choice" just smoke and mirrors?
Again, if workers in Michigan don't have a choice but to join a union, then why is the number of union workers in Michigan not 100%?
Because every workplace is NOT Unionized. A "Right To Work" State means that you do NOT have to join the Union at a Unionized Workplace, in order to work there, in that State...that you can still work at a Unionized Workplace without joining the Union, IF it is a Unionized workplace...which weakens the Union.
In a State that ISN'T a "Right to work" State, You are required to join the Union, in order to work at a Unionized workplace, which makes the Union stronger and gives the Union more bargaining power for the Workers, with that Company Workplace.
Again, the strength of the Union's power to help the Workers, is in the Number of Members in any Unionized Workplace.
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<quoted text> I agree ! I guess they never read the bill...I did, every LONG page of it and I knew this was in there...if they had done their jobs they would have too. Providing 40 MILLION people with health insurance costs money, and it will yield far reaching benefits. SOMEBODY has to pay for it and this is a part of the funding. But you are right this does show a lot of gall !
Did you read it yesterday? Because if you didn't you read Version 1. They are still writing it.

Did you see the provision that charges everyone $63.00. What page was that on? Because everyone else missed it.

"Your medical plan is facing an unexpected expense, so you probably are, too. It’s a new,$63-per-head fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions under President Obama’s health care overhaul.

"The charge, buried in a recent regulation, works out to tens of millions of dollars for the largest companies, employers say. Most of that is likely to be passed on to workers."

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