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Tired of complaints

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Feb 11, 2013
 
Research wrote:
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Wow! Your comments are awesome. You also pay government salaries that vote themselves a raise! There are a lot of teachers that are suffering financially as well. From what I gather they are not complaining about their job, just comments and attacks like yours. You are free to go back to school and become a teacher anytime you want. Teachers are more accountable due to the recent changes in tenure, observations, etc. I too get frustrated about generalized comments lumping all teachers together. No solutions ever given, just more "whiny"comments.
I wouldn't teach for $100,000 a year. I might do it one year for $1,000,000. Teachers know what the pay is when they enter the profession. Accept it, or do something else.
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Research wrote:
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Wow! Your comments are awesome. You also pay government salaries that vote themselves a raise! There are a lot of teachers that are suffering financially as well. From what I gather they are not complaining about their job, just comments and attacks like yours. You are free to go back to school and become a teacher anytime you want. Teachers are more accountable due to the recent changes in tenure, observations, etc. I too get frustrated about generalized comments lumping all teachers together. No solutions ever given, just more "whiny"comments.
teachers have unions to push for unreasonable compensation. Don' tblame most teachers for that... Look up the union people in your system who've pushed boards and directors to agree with their conditions or they will strike. Those are the people to thank for your tax increase. They're always working behind the scenes. Most teachers don't know all the benefits they get. They're busy teaching. I tip my hat to them.
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Not to be mean. If they really wanted to be a pillar of society here in this poverty infected town. They could all refuse the raise and tough it out like the rest of us. Surely things will pick up here before another tax increase to benefit teacher salaries.

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Not to be mean. If they really wanted to be a pillar of society here in this poverty infected town. They could all refuse the raise and tough it out like the rest of us. Surely things will pick up here before another tax increase to benefit teacher salaries.
Would you turn down a raise at work? I doubt if anyone would. I'm sure someone will say that other jobs don't increase taxes to pay their raise. No they don't. They simply increase the cost of whatever service your employer provides. Raises don't magically happen. Their has to be a balancing increase somewhere to offset it. The teachers are paid by the government so the tax increase was very visible. Next time you see the cost of your cereal go up I hope you will get just as pissed that General Mills gave their employees a raise.
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Would you turn down a raise at work? I doubt if anyone would. I'm sure someone will say that other jobs don't increase taxes to pay their raise. No they don't. They simply increase the cost of whatever service your employer provides. Raises don't magically happen. Their has to be a balancing increase somewhere to offset it. The teachers are paid by the government so the tax increase was very visible. Next time you see the cost of your cereal go up I hope you will get just as pissed that General Mills gave their employees a raise.
You can try to justify government employee pay raises all day long, but the bottom line is that increasing taxes for pay raises in a bad economy (worst since the depression) goes against basic economic principles. Think about it. Private sector employees are taking pay cuts. Many are being laid off from work. Businesses are closing all over the country. So, the government decides to increase taxes on people taking the financial hits for public employee raises? I am all for government employee raises when the economy is growing, but it is similar to trying to steer a ship both north and south at the same time. In a good economy, property values gradually increase. Raises should come from natural growth in property values, which leads to more tax revenue without an increase in the tax rate itself. What do we do here though? We wait until property values plummet, and then we raise the tax rate on people who have lost real estate value. How sensible is that?
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Pretend 2 B Normal wrote:
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Would you turn down a raise at work? I doubt if anyone would. I'm sure someone will say that other jobs don't increase taxes to pay their raise. No they don't. They simply increase the cost of whatever service your employer provides. Raises don't magically happen. Their has to be a balancing increase somewhere to offset it. The teachers are paid by the government so the tax increase was very visible. Next time you see the cost of your cereal go up I hope you will get just as pissed that General Mills gave their employees a raise.
I don't and I don't have to buy cereal. I have to pay land taxes or lose my property. You can argue it all you want. Like the poster before me said. You don't raise taxes during a recession to give raises to employees being paid with those tax dollars. What will happen this year if the economy doesn't raise enough tax money to give them raises. Are you actually supporting raising land or wheel tax this and every year to give them a raise every year, until the economy improves. You usually are level headed, but you are way off on this. You can argue it's in their contract all you want also. I talked to a retired gentlemen from General motors last night, that had an insurance contract. Do you really need to know if that contract was honored during the bailout. I have nothing against teachers, but what was done, was wrong in this poor economy. Bottom line.
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sensible wrote:
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You can try to justify government employee pay raises all day long, but the bottom line is that increasing taxes for pay raises in a bad economy (worst since the depression) goes against basic economic principles. Think about it. Private sector employees are taking pay cuts. Many are being laid off from work. Businesses are closing all over the country. So, the government decides to increase taxes on people taking the financial hits for public employee raises? I am all for government employee raises when the economy is growing, but it is similar to trying to steer a ship both north and south at the same time. In a good economy, property values gradually increase. Raises should come from natural growth in property values, which leads to more tax revenue without an increase in the tax rate itself. What do we do here though? We wait until property values plummet, and then we raise the tax rate on people who have lost real estate value. How sensible is that?
I'll tell you who robs the people. Just go to any doctor's office. A doctor gets to choose who they treat. A teacher must deal with the children without prejudice. Teachers are nurses in grade schools, mothers to all kids at some time or another and they must meet a great many guidelines. I don't know of any teachers who go on expensive vacations (myrtle beach) and most all the men who teach will have wives who have to work to make ends meet. If you keep trying to take income from the teachers we will just lose the good teachers we have.
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I don't and I don't have to buy cereal. I have to pay land taxes or lose my property. You can argue it all you want. Like the poster before me said. You don't raise taxes during a recession to give raises to employees being paid with those tax dollars. What will happen this year if the economy doesn't raise enough tax money to give them raises. Are you actually supporting raising land or wheel tax this and every year to give them a raise every year, until the economy improves. You usually are level headed, but you are way off on this. You can argue it's in their contract all you want also. I talked to a retired gentlemen from General motors last night, that had an insurance contract. Do you really need to know if that contract was honored during the bailout. I have nothing against teachers, but what was done, was wrong in this poor economy. Bottom line.
If you don't work on a public job you need to shut up. If you do work but are not a teacher you still need to shut up. I don't think people like you would want a teacher to get a raise under any circumstances. So many people on here are making this all about taxes. Well that is how our teachers get paid. My tax dollars also pay my doctor bill and all my other bills. Maybe the doctors would like to give us a break. They could always charge us less.It took some of us awhile but we are pretty sure we know who you are.
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I do work and damn hard. It doesn't bother me if teachers get raises in good times, but now is not the time. Apparently you're on tenn care if your doctor bill is getting paid with tax money. My hard work pays my doctor bills. I went today and had to pull it off my butt. Don't even try to compare a teacher with a doctor. Doctors work year round, are on call all the time, and have to put up with hateful people like you. They also have to put up with stinking people that are to lazy to shower. So do me a big favor. If you ever have a heart attack get over to a teachers house instead of a doctor. I'm sure we'll all be glad you did.
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If you don't work on a public job you need to shut up. If you do work but are not a teacher you still need to shut up. I don't think people like you would want a teacher to get a raise under any circumstances. So many people on here are making this all about taxes. Well that is how our teachers get paid. My tax dollars also pay my doctor bill and all my other bills. Maybe the doctors would like to give us a break. They could always charge us less.It took some of us awhile but we are pretty sure we know who you are.
If you are in fact a teacher, your ability to construct a sentence reflects the exact issue that many are discussing. And further, your tax dollars do not pay doctor's salaries. If you are so smitten with what a doctor earns, why didnt you elect to follow that career path. I'm an advocate for teachers and as we have in the public sector, performance based pay. That's lacking in the public education system and that along with the decline in family structure has created issues that are virtually impossible to overcome. And no, I don't work in the public sector, but I pay taxes and will not "shut up", as you say. What an ignorant statement!
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Would you turn down a raise at work? I doubt if anyone would. I'm sure someone will say that other jobs don't increase taxes to pay their raise. No they don't. They simply increase the cost of whatever service your employer provides. Raises don't magically happen. Their has to be a balancing increase somewhere to offset it. The teachers are paid by the government so the tax increase was very visible. Next time you see the cost of your cereal go up I hope you will get just as pissed that General Mills gave their employees a raise.
The difference is we can choose whether to buy a service or product. If it costs too much we don't buy it. Where is the balancing act in those raises last year? The tax increase wasn't visible until almost the last minute last year. Then 10 County Commissioners and school board forced it down our throats. Nothing up front about how all that came down last year. If I don't want to pay General Mills what they're asking for their cereal, I'll just have to do without, or CHOOSE to pay the price. That's the difference in all this, choice! The teachers are paid by the taxpayer, not the government.

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#72
Feb 11, 2013
 
Sensible and whatever- I think you missed the point of my post. I am not happy about my taxes increasing, but every discussion about teachers salaries turn into a bashing party on teachers when the anger should be directed at the board that passed the tax increase. Or even at the unions that demand the increases. Everything in our lives is increasing in cost but it is hidden by the fact that they are necessities. I picked cereal because General Mills was on a box in my cabinet. It could have easily been milk or eggs or bread. In no way am I supported the tax increase. I'm only trying to shift the anger from the teachers to the board. After all this discussion was originally about the bonuses given to retiring teachers not about the raises given to active teachers.
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We got a pay raise? No one told me about it.
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I make less money this year than I made last year. I made less money last year than the year before. So, who got the raises?
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Truth Telling Teacher wrote:
I make less money this year than I made last year. I made less money last year than the year before. So, who got the raises?
our point made. Believe anyone who paid their property taxes recently. You got a raise. That's why people are tired of the whining, you all can' t even acknowledge you got a raise. So discouraging to someone who hasn't gotten a raise for three years, has had to pick up the insurance increases, and pay more in taxes . You hurt teachers that are happy to have a job, or just want to do their job without attention being brought to them by co-workers that wouldn't be happy no matter how much they made.there are many great teachers in this county.
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Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>our point made. Believe anyone who paid their property taxes recently. You got a raise. That's why people are tired of the whining, you all can' t even acknowledge you got a raise. So discouraging to someone who hasn't gotten a raise for three years, has had to pick up the insurance increases, and pay more in taxes . You hurt teachers that are happy to have a job, or just want to do their job without attention being brought to them by co-workers that wouldn't be happy no matter how much they made.there are many great teachers in this county.
So exactly where did I whine or say I wasn't happy to have a job? I stated two facts and asked one question. What is your problem?
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Where did that money go if it didn't go to raises. The paper sure got it wrong then. It said somethin about a state required raise? Maybe your'e not a teacher in this county?
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Feb 12, 2013
 
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Actually, if you look into it you will find that Greene County pays as well or better than some of the surrounding county systems. For example, Greene pays better than Sullivan. I think Greene pays better than either Hawkins or Washington or maybe both. Hamblen pays well.
Funny they did not compare the Greeneville City teacher pay to the county teachers pay. When looking at the average salary teacher pay, they do not tell the public that that average also includes principals and supervisors pay. I know teachers in the county that have been teaching for twenty years and are not making the money that was mentioned (in the paper) by the newest and clueless school board member.
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Feb 12, 2013
 
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>they won't do it. Who gets almost 50,000 a year for 180 days of work? Plus never have to drive in bad weather...I also hear educators hope they miss more school due to bad weather. Where else can you get paid when you aren't t there?
Snow days are built into the schedule. There is extra time added in the morning and afternoon. This extra time adds up to ten days. If snow days are not used teachers are not given the ten days back. So are you willing to work for your employer for ten free days?
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Bonus is a line item in the budget. Teachers and other professions get this type of longevity pay. Let's see...teachers pay as much or more tax as any other lower middle class group...key words lower middle class. If you are unskiled and educated fat off your couch and get trade to get better $ Greene County is a great place forth retired our of state complainers like Mrs. Johnson. She has yet to do one thing for the students of Greene County.

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