Whatever

Elizabethton, TN

#41 Feb 9, 2013
Susie Q wrote:
Another thing that many people do not realize is that when "average teacher salary" is calculated all certified employees' salaries are put in the mix to come up with an average. This includes director's, supervisors', and principals' salaries. Instead of "bonus" teachers are actually given an incentive to retire so that younger, less experienced educators can be hired for a much lower salary. The State of TN tells the systems the minimum salary for teachers at each experience level. The difference in systems' salaries is the amount each system adds to the minimum. Directors negotiate their salaries, as well as other benefits, with school boards. This is one reason we would be better off to elect our directors.
I agree. We totally need to elect our directors.
Whatever

Elizabethton, TN

#42 Feb 9, 2013
Pretend 2 B Normal wrote:
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The major gap in your argument is that the other 50 percent can do math and read proficiently. That 50 percent goes to school with the other 50 percent. So obviously the teachers are reaching some of the students. Students have to want to learn. That starts at the home. Teachers can only work with what they are given and if the students don't have some desire to learn instilled in them they will not learn. But I bet most of the lower 50% can text with the best of them. It's all in what the kid has the desire to learn.
You are correct on this one, for sure.
Tax dollars

Jonesborough, TN

#43 Feb 9, 2013
Susie Q wrote:
Another thing that many people do not realize is that when "average teacher salary" is calculated all certified employees' salaries are put in the mix to come up with an average. This includes director's, supervisors', and principals' salaries. Instead of "bonus" teachers are actually given an incentive to retire so that younger, less experienced educators can be hired for a much lower salary. The State of TN tells the systems the minimum salary for teachers at each experience level. The difference in systems' salaries is the amount each system adds to the minimum. Directors negotiate their salaries, as well as other benefits, with school boards. This is one reason we would be better off to elect our directors.
if certified employee salaries went in to that it would lower the "average teacher salary" because they make much less than a teacher.
Tax dollars

Jonesborough, TN

#44 Feb 9, 2013
Pretend 2 B Normal wrote:
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The major gap in your argument is that the other 50 percent can do math and read proficiently. That 50 percent goes to school with the other 50 percent. So obviously the teachers are reaching some of the students. Students have to want to learn. That starts at the home. Teachers can only work with what they are given and if the students don't have some desire to learn instilled in them they will not learn. But I bet most of the lower 50% can text with the best of them. It's all in what the kid has the desire to learn.
i can't believe that anyone thinks that 50 percent reading and math proficiency is acceptable... When I went to school many years ago,(and yes there was a lot of true poverty) at least 85-90 percent of students could read and do fundamental math. And we're certainly spending a lot more money to educate them.

“I've Always Been This Stupid”

Since: May 12

Greeneville TN

#45 Feb 10, 2013
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>i can't believe that anyone thinks that 50 percent reading and math proficiency is acceptable... When I went to school many years ago,(and yes there was a lot of true poverty) at least 85-90 percent of students could read and do fundamental math. And we're certainly spending a lot more money to educate them.
I didn't say it was acceptable. Actually I feel quite the opposite. I was merely pointing out that if half the kids can do it than that is because of the teachers. I have a relative that teaches elementary grades in a nearby county (one of the ones listed before) and she says it is pathetic how unprepared kids are when they arrive at school. I'm not talking about reading, I'm talking about knowing how to write their letters or even how to color or use safety scissors. So explain to me how a teacher is supposed to get the rest of the class to an acceptable level when he/she has to teach others how to do basic things. They can only go as fast as their slowest student.
Research

Johnson City, TN

#46 Feb 10, 2013
Pretend 2 B Normal wrote:
<quoted text>
The major gap in your argument is that the other 50 percent can do math and read proficiently. That 50 percent goes to school with the other 50 percent. So obviously the teachers are reaching some of the students. Students have to want to learn. That starts at the home. Teachers can only work with what they are given and if the students don't have some desire to learn instilled in them they will not learn. But I bet most of the lower 50% can text with the best of them. It's all in what the kid has the desire to learn.
Thak you! Very well said.
Target

United States

#47 Feb 10, 2013
Pretend 2 B Normal wrote:
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I didn't say it was acceptable. Actually I feel quite the opposite. I was merely pointing out that if half the kids can do it than that is because of the teachers. I have a relative that teaches elementary grades in a nearby county (one of the ones listed before) and she says it is pathetic how unprepared kids are when they arrive at school. I'm not talking about reading, I'm talking about knowing how to write their letters or even how to color or use safety scissors. So explain to me how a teacher is supposed to get the rest of the class to an acceptable level when he/she has to teach others how to do basic things. They can only go as fast as their slowest student.
You are right, we have issues in schools, but we also have a huge issue in the home. We're seeing the decline of the two parent household and unfortunately, a rapid decline in parent involvement. I am 40 years old and when I was in elementary school, my mom volunteered at school, my parents attended PTA and other functions, they made sure I had my homework complete and if I got my ass busted at school it was another when I walked in the door at home. I bet 10% of kids don't get the attention and involvement from home that I did.

At the same time, we have a greater number of teachers who are worthless and are just doing enough to get by. School systems try to throw money at issues that have nothing to do with money. If you're on a sinking ship in the middle of the ocean and you throw a million dollars overboard, you're still sinking. That's a good analogy of what's happening in schools today.

“I've Always Been This Stupid”

Since: May 12

Greeneville TN

#48 Feb 10, 2013
Target wrote:
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You are right, we have issues in schools, but we also have a huge issue in the home. We're seeing the decline of the two parent household and unfortunately, a rapid decline in parent involvement. I am 40 years old and when I was in elementary school, my mom volunteered at school, my parents attended PTA and other functions, they made sure I had my homework complete and if I got my ass busted at school it was another when I walked in the door at home. I bet 10% of kids don't get the attention and involvement from home that I did.
At the same time, we have a greater number of teachers who are worthless and are just doing enough to get by. School systems try to throw money at issues that have nothing to do with money. If you're on a sinking ship in the middle of the ocean and you throw a million dollars overboard, you're still sinking. That's a good analogy of what's happening in schools today.
I wholeheartedly agree that the spending is out of control. How you can justify giving someone a bonus and then hiring them again is beyond me. As someone stated, the teachers are stuck in the middle. Everyone that has a job feels they are underpaid. Everyone thinks their job is more important than another. But in the grand scheme of our society a teacher is just as valuable as a bricklayer, who is just as valuable as a mechanic, who is just as valuable as a waitress. They all keep our society and our economy going as well as can be. It annoys me when people make generalized statements about all teachers. As with every job, there are good and bad.
property owner

Lexington, NC

#49 Feb 10, 2013
Wish the increase could b used better! One thing that irrates me is how I pay my property taxes & try to keep my property nice then wreckless irresponsible semi truck driver is allowed to destroy my property & no one will do anything about it! I hope I don't get killed this summer while mowing my yard due to wreckless irresponisible drivers!
Which

Greeneville, TN

#50 Feb 10, 2013
Why are you only discussing retirement bonuses? What about sign on and retention bonuses? And don't forget the raises given for staying in a position rather than moving up to a better paying one with another employer. They ALL cost money!
Target

United States

#51 Feb 10, 2013
Pretend 2 B Normal wrote:
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I wholeheartedly agree that the spending is out of control. How you can justify giving someone a bonus and then hiring them again is beyond me. As someone stated, the teachers are stuck in the middle. Everyone that has a job feels they are underpaid. Everyone thinks their job is more important than another. But in the grand scheme of our society a teacher is just as valuable as a bricklayer, who is just as valuable as a mechanic, who is just as valuable as a waitress. They all keep our society and our economy going as well as can be. It annoys me when people make generalized statements about all teachers. As with every job, there are good and bad.
And on the issue with teacher compensation, nothing is truly performance based. I work in the private sector and if I performed as many of the teachers perform, it wouldn't be that I don't receive a raise/bonus, but I would lose my job. You rarely hear of teachers being fired due to poor performance, but in the private sector, employees know they must perform or else they will be without a job. I am sure I could do a quick search to determine the firing ratio of the public education base in comparison to those in the private sector. I have no doubt the numbers would be night and day, because it takes an act of Congress to eliminate an underperforming teacher.
teacher by CHOICE

Greeneville, TN

#52 Feb 10, 2013
fleecing us wrote:
I wouldlove to chat about how mad I am toread about this but I have to be at work at 8:00 and work till 6:00 and I won't be getting any winter, spring, fall, Christmas breaks or off for summer.
I don't recall anyone twisting my arm to force me to choose my career path...I CHOSE teaching. This is a free country. You could have, and still can, choose to teach if you would like. And by the way, if you think those are the only hours teachers work, you need to walk a day in their shoes. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes in preparation for those hours they are in school. Why belittle them? I teach my students that people who put others down really feel bad about themselves, so they step on others to raise themselves...when you make comments like these, it makes you sound a little jealous and very immature.
Tired of complaints

Greeneville, TN

#53 Feb 10, 2013
teacher by CHOICE wrote:
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I don't recall anyone twisting my arm to force me to choose my career path...I CHOSE teaching. This is a free country. You could have, and still can, choose to teach if you would like. And by the way, if you think those are the only hours teachers work, you need to walk a day in their shoes. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes in preparation for those hours they are in school. Why belittle them? I teach my students that people who put others down really feel bad about themselves, so they step on others to raise themselves...when you make comments like these, it makes you sound a little jealous and very immature.
Most of us feel lucky to even have a job. We haven't had a raise in forever, and our taxes have been raised to placate a bunch of spoiled whiny teachers. Let me make it simple enough for a teacher to understand.

1) We pay your salary.
2) You make more than most of us.
3) Your benefits are far better than ours.
4) We are having a hard time financially.
5) Now, shut up and do your job.
not right

Knoxville, TN

#54 Feb 10, 2013
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>if certified employee salaries went in to that it would lower the "average teacher salary" because they make much less than a teacher.
A certified employee is a teacher, administrator, supervisor, director, etc. I believe you have certified mixed up with classified staff. Classified staff include the secretaries, aides, custodians, etc. So yes, the average teacher salary looks much higher than most actually are because the certified employee salaries are averaged in.
sick and tired

Greeneville, TN

#55 Feb 10, 2013
I am sick and tired of always discussing teachers on topix. I think it is time to list some jobs where the pay is way to high. Anybody want to go first?
Tired of complaints

Greeneville, TN

#56 Feb 10, 2013
sick and tired wrote:
I am sick and tired of always discussing teachers on topix. I think it is time to list some jobs where the pay is way to high. Anybody want to go first?
Doctors, Dentists, pro sports stars, actors, entertainers, etc.
Target

United States

#57 Feb 10, 2013
sick and tired wrote:
I am sick and tired of always discussing teachers on topix. I think it is time to list some jobs where the pay is way to high. Anybody want to go first?
That should be "too high" not "to high". And as for the teacher discussion, it's fueled by the fact that our elected officials and the school board decide to shove tax increases down our throats and give the teachers raises and bonuses at a time when very, very few workers are receiving pay increases. Appears your mental capacity is slim and you view this as a slam on teachers, which it isn't.
slam

Plover, WI

#58 Feb 10, 2013
Target wrote:
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That should be "too high" not "to high". And as for the teacher discussion, it's fueled by the fact that our elected officials and the school board decide to shove tax increases down our throats and give the teachers raises and bonuses at a time when very, very few workers are receiving pay increases. Appears your mental capacity is slim and you view this as a slam on teachers, which it isn't.
Not a slam on teachers? Really? There have been many threads started about teachers and their pay. The only folks getting rich in this town are doctors, lawyers and politicians.
Whatever

Elizabethton, TN

#59 Feb 10, 2013
slam wrote:
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Not a slam on teachers? Really? There have been many threads started about teachers and their pay. The only folks getting rich in this town are doctors, lawyers and politicians.
To be honest with you. There's a lot of hungry lawyers in this town right now. I really don't think this is a slam on teachers. Not by me anyway. There are a few and always will be slamming them and everybody. It's just not a good time to be asking people for more money, when they aren't getting more themselves, to give raises to teachers. If you don't understand that, then you are being unreasonable.
Research

Ooltewah, TN

#60 Feb 11, 2013
Tired of complaints wrote:
<quoted text>Most of us feel lucky to even have a job. We haven't had a raise in forever, and our taxes have been raised to placate a bunch of spoiled whiny teachers. Let me make it simple enough for a teacher to understand.
1) We pay your salary.
2) You make more than most of us.
3) Your benefits are far better than ours.
4) We are having a hard time financially.
5) Now, shut up and do your job.
Wow! Your comments are awesome. You also pay government salaries that vote themselves a raise! There are a lot of teachers that are suffering financially as well. From what I gather they are not complaining about their job, just comments and attacks like yours. You are free to go back to school and become a teacher anytime you want. Teachers are more accountable due to the recent changes in tenure, observations, etc. I too get frustrated about generalized comments lumping all teachers together. No solutions ever given, just more "whiny"comments.

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