Research

Johnson City, TN

#21 Feb 9, 2013
fyi wrote:
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Actually, if you look into it you will find that Greene County pays as well or better than some of the surrounding county systems. For example, Greene pays better than Sullivan. I think Greene pays better than either Hawkins or Washington or maybe both. Hamblen pays well.
Please do some research before you post ignorant comments. Greene pays better than Hawkins, Hancock and Carter (just a few hundres dollars a year). They do not pay better than Washington, Sullivan, Hamblen and even Johnson. What does it matter anyway! I would think you would want the county your children grow up in to pay well and teach your kids. Hard working teachers should be well compensated considering in today's society theyalso act as parents to many kids. I agree that there is wasteful spending on parts of the local governments, but it is not directed solely at education.
Rodney King

Greeneville, TN

#22 Feb 9, 2013
Research wrote:
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Please do some research before you post ignorant comments. Greene pays better than Hawkins, Hancock and Carter (just a few hundres dollars a year). They do not pay better than Washington, Sullivan, Hamblen and even Johnson. What does it matter anyway! I would think you would want the county your children grow up in to pay well and teach your kids. Hard working teachers should be well compensated considering in today's society theyalso act as parents to many kids. I agree that there is wasteful spending on parts of the local governments, but it is not directed solely at education.
If you whiney teachers don't like the pay and benefit package, find a better job. It should be easy for such pillars of the community.
Whatever

Johnson City, TN

#23 Feb 9, 2013
Research wrote:
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Please do some research before you post ignorant comments. Greene pays better than Hawkins, Hancock and Carter (just a few hundres dollars a year). They do not pay better than Washington, Sullivan, Hamblen and even Johnson. What does it matter anyway! I would think you would want the county your children grow up in to pay well and teach your kids. Hard working teachers should be well compensated considering in today's society theyalso act as parents to many kids. I agree that there is wasteful spending on parts of the local governments, but it is not directed solely at education.
I actually think teachers are payed a fair salary. I just don't think you can keep giving money to them that you don't have. Do you run your household like that? If you do you will eventually get in trouble. I respect teachers, as well as other employees. It takes a lot of good employees to keep this world running. I also agree their is a lot of waste with our local government. It is not right to give them a bonus for retiring, then hire them back in the county schools offices.
Tax dollars

Jonesborough, TN

#24 Feb 9, 2013
Rodney King wrote:
<quoted text>If you whiney teachers don't like the pay and benefit package, find a better job. It should be easy for such pillars of the community.
they won't do it. Who gets almost 50,000 a year for 180 days of work? Plus never have to drive in bad weather...I also hear educators hope they miss more school due to bad weather. Where else can you get paid when you aren't t there?
Research

Johnson City, TN

#25 Feb 9, 2013
Rodney King wrote:
<quoted text>If you whiney teachers don't like the pay and benefit package, find a better job. It should be easy for such pillars of the community.
Actually I am not a teacher, but thank you for proving a point. Low salaried school systems produce your type of ignorance. Teachers are the base of our society. Lots of parents today do not teach their children any sort of life lessons. Teachers contracts are set up like any other employment contracts. They are based on compensation for expectation. There are many, many teachers who teach for the love of the job, not for the pay and benefits. I always love the name calling arguments with absolutely no substance. You, sir, should be a politician.
Research

Johnson City, TN

#26 Feb 9, 2013
Whatever wrote:
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I actually think teachers are payed a fair salary. I just don't think you can keep giving money to them that you don't have. Do you run your household like that? If you do you will eventually get in trouble. I respect teachers, as well as other employees. It takes a lot of good employees to keep this world running. I also agree their is a lot of waste with our local government. It is not right to give them a bonus for retiring, then hire them back in the county schools offices.
I did not mean to suggest that they are or are not being payed fairly, I just get frustrated with comments that are not researched. The government and budget process are the problems. And for the record, it is not right for them to get a bonus and then hired for another position. I also did not agree with giving them money the government does not have. Teachers are stuck in the middle with the only solution being to slam them.
Research

Johnson City, TN

#27 Feb 9, 2013
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>they won't do it. Who gets almost 50,000 a year for 180 days of work? Plus never have to drive in bad weather...I also hear educators hope they miss more school due to bad weather. Where else can you get paid when you aren't t there?
Most teachers in Greene County are no where near $50,000. Actually, lots of salaried employees get paid if the business is closed. Quit being concerned over the days worked vs. compensation. The contract is what it is. If the schools are open 300 days then the compensation and contract would be different. Again, I am not a teacher, but I do believe quality teachers provide a huge benefit to our society. Also, I am strictly limiting my arguments to current teachers, not former teachers that are milking the system.
Rodney King

Greeneville, TN

#28 Feb 9, 2013
Research wrote:
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Actually I am not a teacher, but thank you for proving a point. Low salaried school systems produce your type of ignorance. Teachers are the base of our society. Lots of parents today do not teach their children any sort of life lessons. Teachers contracts are set up like any other employment contracts. They are based on compensation for expectation. There are many, many teachers who teach for the love of the job, not for the pay and benefits. I always love the name calling arguments with absolutely no substance. You, sir, should be a politician.
My type of ignorance comes from Eastview Elementary, Greeneville Middle School, GHS, University of Tennessee for my Bachelor's, and Univ. of Virginia for my Master's. I was taught that employees offer their services in a free market, thus are able to seek better employment if not satisfied. Do it instead of whining. It is not becoming of someone with an education.
Research

Johnson City, TN

#29 Feb 9, 2013
Rodney King wrote:
<quoted text>My type of ignorance comes from Eastview Elementary, Greeneville Middle School, GHS, University of Tennessee for my Bachelor's, and Univ. of Virginia for my Master's. I was taught that employees offer their services in a free market, thus are able to seek better employment if not satisfied. Do it instead of whining. It is not becoming of someone with an education.
But you don't owe the teachers anything. And what am I whining about? I started off by correcting a statement of teacher's pay that was not correct. Whining? I also never attacked anyone for their opinion! Educated or not, insults do not solve problems, they compound them. Bottom line, I am not a teacher and am not "whining". I believe that teachers are important to society and do not believe they deserve all of the crap they get. Thus endeth the lesson!
Susie Q

Greeneville, TN

#30 Feb 9, 2013
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>must be an educated idiot....you're not worth what you think you are. You go republicans....break this cycle of a few good old boys holding education back. More transparency on how the money is spent.
I guess I am an educated idiot, but I feel good about the influence I have had with students. I have been a teacher for over 41 years. I really do not see the educators being the ones whining on here. My comment about unions was in response to those with other jobs who are on here whining about their salaries and benefits. So many do not even know how much time teachers spend doing their jobs. Just because administrators say the day is done at three or three thirty, most teachers continue to be at school past that time or take work home. Most teachers do find other employment if they are dissatisfied. They have marketable skills to do so.
teacher teacher

Dandridge, TN

#31 Feb 9, 2013
sounds like teachers are just in it for the money? if you dont pay them enough they will go somewhere else or find abetter opportunity. how much pay do you think would be fair to teach kids to read on a fifth grade level by the time they graduate? seems like they got a pretty good gig.
Tax dollars

Jonesborough, TN

#32 Feb 9, 2013
Research wrote:
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Actually I am not a teacher, but thank you for proving a point. Low salaried school systems produce your type of ignorance. Teachers are the base of our society. Lots of parents today do not teach their children any sort of life lessons. Teachers contracts are set up like any other employment contracts. They are based on compensation for expectation. There are many, many teachers who teach for the love of the job, not for the pay and benefits. I always love the name calling arguments with absolutely no substance. You, sir, should be a politician.
well well evidently outcome doesn't match compensation. Less than 50 percent of our children can read or do math proficiently according to the state report card. Can't blame the parents for that. If you we're paid by proficiency you would make much less.
Tax dollars

Jonesborough, TN

#33 Feb 9, 2013
Research wrote:
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But you don't owe the teachers anything. And what am I whining about? I started off by correcting a statement of teacher's pay that was not correct. Whining? I also never attacked anyone for their opinion! Educated or not, insults do not solve problems, they compound them. Bottom line, I am not a teacher and am not "whining". I believe that teachers are important to society and do not believe they deserve all of the crap they get. Thus endeth the lesson!
dr. Kirk was quoted in the paper a year ago that GC teachers average salary with benefits was over 48,000. That was before last years raise and tax increase. Just trying to correct a statement. You may be one of those people that doesn't realize that benefits count as salary too. They cost money.....
Whatever

Elizabethton, TN

#34 Feb 9, 2013
Research wrote:
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I did not mean to suggest that they are or are not being payed fairly, I just get frustrated with comments that are not researched. The government and budget process are the problems. And for the record, it is not right for them to get a bonus and then hired for another position. I also did not agree with giving them money the government does not have. Teachers are stuck in the middle with the only solution being to slam them.
I agree teachers are stuck in the middle. I don't mean to sound like I'm slamming teachers. I actually wouldn't do their job for
$100,000. a year. It's not because of the kids, it's the parents. I just didn't like the way the land tax increase was handled. As I have said previously, I haven't had a raise in 7 years. They raised my taxes and gave all the teachers a raise with it. I thought the reason for doing it was to keep the one school open. I really do appreciate our teachers, but I have to eat also.
Research

Johnson City, TN

#35 Feb 9, 2013
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>well well evidently outcome doesn't match compensation. Less than 50 percent of our children can read or do math proficiently according to the state report card. Can't blame the parents for that. If you we're paid by proficiency you would make much less.
Actually, yes you can. My children were taught the basics before ever entering school. Now they are taking college level classes in high school. Teachers and parents both have a responsibility to the children. Parents can do so much to help their children. Before you lay into me again, I agree that there are teachers (just like in any other field) that go through the motions, but many really care. Maybe if salaries were higher the test scores would be too??
Research

Johnson City, TN

#36 Feb 9, 2013
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>dr. Kirk was quoted in the paper a year ago that GC teachers average salary with benefits was over 48,000. That was before last years raise and tax increase. Just trying to correct a statement. You may be one of those people that doesn't realize that benefits count as salary too. They cost money.....
Yes benefits count towards total compensation. The health care increase ate up more salary than the pay increase. I know many teachers that spend their own money and time (that is not contract compensated) to benefit their classrooms and their students. How many other jobs have employees spending their own money or working off of the clock? No, I do not agree with the way the tax increase was handled. I own property in Greene County and my children do not attend school in Greene County. Does it piss me off...YES. Teachers still do not deserve the crap!
Research

Johnson City, TN

#37 Feb 9, 2013
Whatever wrote:
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I agree teachers are stuck in the middle. I don't mean to sound like I'm slamming teachers. I actually wouldn't do their job for
$100,000. a year. It's not because of the kids, it's the parents. I just didn't like the way the land tax increase was handled. As I have said previously, I haven't had a raise in 7 years. They raised my taxes and gave all the teachers a raise with it. I thought the reason for doing it was to keep the one school open. I really do appreciate our teachers, but I have to eat also.
Agreed 100%
Susie Q

Greeneville, TN

#38 Feb 9, 2013
Another thing that many people do not realize is that when "average teacher salary" is calculated all certified employees' salaries are put in the mix to come up with an average. This includes director's, supervisors', and principals' salaries. Instead of "bonus" teachers are actually given an incentive to retire so that younger, less experienced educators can be hired for a much lower salary. The State of TN tells the systems the minimum salary for teachers at each experience level. The difference in systems' salaries is the amount each system adds to the minimum. Directors negotiate their salaries, as well as other benefits, with school boards. This is one reason we would be better off to elect our directors.

“I've Always Been This Stupid”

Since: May 12

Greeneville TN

#39 Feb 9, 2013
Tax dollars wrote:
<quoted text>well well evidently outcome doesn't match compensation. Less than 50 percent of our children can read or do math proficiently according to the state report card. Can't blame the parents for that. If you we're paid by proficiency you would make much less.
The major gap in your argument is that the other 50 percent can do math and read proficiently. That 50 percent goes to school with the other 50 percent. So obviously the teachers are reaching some of the students. Students have to want to learn. That starts at the home. Teachers can only work with what they are given and if the students don't have some desire to learn instilled in them they will not learn. But I bet most of the lower 50% can text with the best of them. It's all in what the kid has the desire to learn.
Tax dollars

Jonesborough, TN

#40 Feb 9, 2013
Research wrote:
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Actually, yes you can. My children were taught the basics before ever entering school. Now they are taking college level classes in high school. Teachers and parents both have a responsibility to the children. Parents can do so much to help their children. Before you lay into me again, I agree that there are teachers (just like in any other field) that go through the motions, but many really care. Maybe if salaries were higher the test scores would be too??
how much of a salary do you think it would take to get them to teach to at least a "C" level of proficiency? Rationale is sad........

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