Impeach Alan Broyles
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#41 Nov 20, 2012
info wrote:
<quoted text>
12-4-101. Personal interest of officers prohibited.
(a)(1) It is unlawful for any officer, committee member, director, or other person whose duty it is to vote for, let out, overlook, or in any manner to superintend any work or any contract in which any municipal corporation, county, state, development district, utility district, human resource agency, or other political subdivision created by statute shall or may be interested, to be directly interested in any such contract. "Directly interested" means any contract with the official personally or with any business in which the official is the sole proprietor, a partner, or the person having the controlling interest. "Controlling interest" includes the individual with the ownership or control of the largest number of outstanding shares owned by any single individual or corporation. This subdivision (a)(1) shall not be construed to prohibit any officer, committeeperson, director, or any person, other than a member of a local governing body of a county or municipality, from voting on the budget, appropriation resolution, or tax rate resolution, or amendments thereto, unless the vote is on a specific amendment to the budget or a specific appropriation or resolution in which such person is directly interested.
There are two obvious things wrong with this law where it does not apply. One, it does not include school districts so it does not apply. Two, the person must be voting for the appropriation. In this case the person in question was not voting for an appropriation but to allow the school system to move money between funds. This was obviously an attempt to patch together something that was not there in order to punish somebody for a vote they cast. Sorry...... Try Again......
good grief

Elizabethton, TN

#42 Nov 20, 2012
I'll say it again....the 7 and the mayor need the public to vote them in some help. There needs to be at least 5 more people elected to the commission that have no conflicts of interest when they're representing the people. That's the only way things are going to change.
good grief

Elizabethton, TN

#43 Nov 20, 2012
Lost Honesty wrote:
<quoted text>There are two obvious things wrong with this law where it does not apply. One, it does not include school districts so it does not apply. Two, the person must be voting for the appropriation. In this case the person in question was not voting for an appropriation but to allow the school system to move money between funds. This was obviously an attempt to patch together something that was not there in order to punish somebody for a vote they cast. Sorry...... Try Again......
Good grief, technically money was being moved from one fund to another to be "appropriated" toward the sewer system for the fieldhouse. Now, you try again.
notexactly

Charlotte, NC

#44 Nov 20, 2012
Lost Honesty wrote:
<quoted text>There are two obvious things wrong with this law where it does not apply. One, it does not include school districts so it does not apply. Two, the person must be voting for the appropriation. In this case the person in question was not voting for an appropriation but to allow the school system to move money between funds. This was obviously an attempt to patch together something that was not there in order to punish somebody for a vote they cast. Sorry...... Try Again......
The law does apply to school districts and they were voting for a new appropriation, not just a transfer. I actually looked at the document.
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#45 Nov 20, 2012
info wrote:
<quoted text>
12-4-101. Personal interest of officers prohibited.
(a)(1) It is unlawful for any officer, committee member, director, or other person whose duty it is to vote for, let out, overlook, or in any manner to superintend any work or any contract in which any municipal corporation, county, state, development district, utility district, human resource agency, or other political subdivision created by statute shall or may be interested, to be directly interested in any such contract. "Directly interested" means any contract with the official personally or with any business in which the official is the sole proprietor, a partner, or the person having the controlling interest. "Controlling interest" includes the individual with the ownership or control of the largest number of outstanding shares owned by any single individual or corporation. This subdivision (a)(1) shall not be construed to prohibit any officer, committeeperson, director, or any person, other than a member of a local governing body of a county or municipality, from voting on the budget, appropriation resolution, or tax rate resolution, or amendments thereto, unless the vote is on a specific amendment to the budget or a specific appropriation or resolution in which such person is directly interested.
Let me clarify this more because it is important. School Districts receive money from the county, the state, the federal and even generate money on their own. Local governments like the county commission are not allowed to control all that money. It is left up to the Superintendant and the school board to do that. So the fiduciary responsibility does not lie with the county commission but with the school board and superintendant. Had Mr. White been on the School Board there would have been a conflict but not on the county commission. I agree with the county attorney these cheap lawyers the county is employing is not giving them good advice or this would have been stopped before it started. A word of caution to the COUNTY TAX PAYERS, it has been decided by a Republican President, George W. Bush and a Democrat President Barack Obama that education is a priority. The county commission only has limited authority over the school system that is why the above law does not apply to the school system. Greene County has survived Federal and State Mandates for years on bottom level funding because they have good administrators and teachers. You can cry about them getting raises all you want but they are saving you money in the long run. If those school scores fall below the mandated levels the State Board of Education will take over and remove your superintendant and your school board and they will appropriate at a vastly higher level than the bill you are faced with now and the county commission will be required to pay the bill or the schools will take the money out of the county budget legally and then your property tax may very well be one of the highest in the state rather than the lowest. This is not being explained very well in the county. Pay a smaller amount now or pay a huge amount later. Think about it.
example

Charlotte, NC

#46 Nov 20, 2012
"A county commissioner whose duty it is to provide funds for construction contracts entered into by the county school board cannot enter into a construction contract with the county board of education without violating T.C.A. 12-4-101(a)." Op. Tenn. Atty. Gen. 91-31
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#47 Nov 20, 2012
notexactly wrote:
<quoted text>
The law does apply to school districts and they were voting for a new appropriation, not just a transfer. I actually looked at the document.
Better look again. No where in the law does it mention school districts. Show me. Type it out.
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#48 Nov 20, 2012
notexactly wrote:
<quoted text>
The law does apply to school districts and they were voting for a new appropriation, not just a transfer. I actually looked at the document.
As for the appropriation, I refer you to the Greeneville Sun Timeline, if you have different information then please have them change it as they say it was a funds transfer.
Whatever

Jonesborough, TN

#49 Nov 20, 2012
Lost Honesty wrote:
<quoted text>Let me clarify this more because it is important. School Districts receive money from the county, the state, the federal and even generate money on their own. Local governments like the county commission are not allowed to control all that money. It is left up to the Superintendant and the school board to do that. So the fiduciary responsibility does not lie with the county commission but with the school board and superintendant. Had Mr. White been on the School Board there would have been a conflict but not on the county commission. I agree with the county attorney these cheap lawyers the county is employing is not giving them good advice or this would have been stopped before it started. A word of caution to the COUNTY TAX PAYERS, it has been decided by a Republican President, George W. Bush and a Democrat President Barack Obama that education is a priority. The county commission only has limited authority over the school system that is why the above law does not apply to the school system. Greene County has survived Federal and State Mandates for years on bottom level funding because they have good administrators and teachers. You can cry about them getting raises all you want but they are saving you money in the long run. If those school scores fall below the mandated levels the State Board of Education will take over and remove your superintendant and your school board and they will appropriate at a vastly higher level than the bill you are faced with now and the county commission will be required to pay the bill or the schools will take the money out of the county budget legally and then your property tax may very well be one of the highest in the state rather than the lowest. This is not being explained very well in the county. Pay a smaller amount now or pay a huge amount later. Think about it.
Can you name me a county in TN that this is actually happening in?
anotherexample

Charlotte, NC

#50 Nov 20, 2012
"A county commissioner cannot contract with the board of education of his county to provide school bus service." Op. Tenn. Atty. Gen. 83-229
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#51 Nov 20, 2012
example wrote:
"A county commissioner whose duty it is to provide funds for construction contracts entered into by the county school board cannot enter into a construction contract with the county board of education without violating T.C.A. 12-4-101(a)." Op. Tenn. Atty. Gen. 91-31
Two things wrong here, you are not quoting law you are quoting an opinion on law, that may be one source but the law itself contradicts that opinion and the law would stand on its own or a jury might and I mean might go against the law and depend on the opinion. That would be very risky in this case because then you would transfer fiduciary responsiblity in the school district from the school district to the county commission. Since we are dealing with state law, there are several school districts across the state which represent more than one county commission, I believe the Supreme Court of Tennesse would definitely not go along with that attorney general opinion. Sorry.... Try Again...
however

Charlotte, NC

#52 Nov 20, 2012
The opinion of the Tennessee Attorney General carries a lot of weight, and this one has not be overturned by ANY court that I am aware of....
good grief

Elizabethton, TN

#53 Nov 20, 2012
Lost Honesty wrote:
<quoted text>Let me clarify this more because it is important. School Districts receive money from the county, the state, the federal and even generate money on their own. Local governments like the county commission are not allowed to control all that money. It is left up to the Superintendant and the school board to do that. So the fiduciary responsibility does not lie with the county commission but with the school board and superintendant. Had Mr. White been on the School Board there would have been a conflict but not on the county commission. I agree with the county attorney these cheap lawyers the county is employing is not giving them good advice or this would have been stopped before it started. A word of caution to the COUNTY TAX PAYERS, it has been decided by a Republican President, George W. Bush and a Democrat President Barack Obama that education is a priority. The county commission only has limited authority over the school system that is why the above law does not apply to the school system. Greene County has survived Federal and State Mandates for years on bottom level funding because they have good administrators and teachers. You can cry about them getting raises all you want but they are saving you money in the long run. If those school scores fall below the mandated levels the State Board of Education will take over and remove your superintendant and your school board and they will appropriate at a vastly higher level than the bill you are faced with now and the county commission will be required to pay the bill or the schools will take the money out of the county budget legally and then your property tax may very well be one of the highest in the state rather than the lowest. This is not being explained very well in the county. Pay a smaller amount now or pay a huge amount later. Think about it.
What needs to happen is for the county commission to vote that the county have only one budget director for all departments (schools included). A legislator told me the commission can do this. Then we would have a better handle on how all the money is spent. Plus save money on duplication of duties.
How low do the scores have to go to have the state come in and take over a school system? I think it was reported that less than 50% of Greene County kids are average in math and reading. Also the old argument that we're getting a big bang for our bucks doesn't work anymore. One thing all the discussion about the tax increases to pay for the school deficit has done is to make a better informed public. I believe it was reported a year ago in the paper that the director said the average salary with benefits in Greene County for a teacher was over $47,000. And she also reported that the average income in Greene County was $31,000 and that's why Greene Countians should pay more in taxes for education. Something about the ability to pay, not sure what that means. I'm just a country boy, but something's wrong with those numbers....seems educators are making more than the average person.
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#54 Nov 20, 2012
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you name me a county in TN that this is actually happening in?
There are several troubled school districts in Tennesse, mostly around Nashville and in northwest Tennessee. Thus far, the State School Board has taken the position it is better to go in and help the local school boards and commissions to find answers and funding rather than taking over. That does not mean they can't. The Obama administration has not pushed for this because of the recession and likewise both Bredesen and Haslam have been very lenient so far.
not mad just sad

Antioch, TN

#55 Nov 21, 2012
Commission Follower wrote:
<quoted text>Alan Broyles, you should go see a shrink, you have totally lost it with that rant. Resign, get rid of some of the embarrasment in the community and see if you can talk the Idiot 7 to going with you.
Tim, this is not Alan. This is a previous friend of yours who knows you inside and out. Problem is, I know you so well that I finally learned to see through all your bullshat. What I do not understand, is how the general public cannot see you for what you are - a whinning little self-centered brat who always feels like he has to get his way - no matter who is hurt in the process. It took me so long to figure it out. Maybe the public will wise up and see through your act. You need to figure out something else to do. This act ain't working any more. Thinking you won a big battle with the commission? Don't gloat. For the reality is that not only you, but the misguided ones who you convinced with your little pitty act will all be painted with the same ugly brush. All your fault Tim. Go ahead and take a bunch of people down this time - not just yourself. See how well that helps you going forward in Greene County.
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#56 Nov 21, 2012
anotherexample wrote:
"A county commissioner cannot contract with the board of education of his county to provide school bus service." Op. Tenn. Atty. Gen. 83-229
Thanks for this opinion because it sort of applies to Alan Broyles and the Idiot 7. Again the Attorney General is placing into law what is not written and in this case it would be very dangerous. School teachers are under contract with the school board, this opinion would deny them the right to sit on county commission. Is Alan Broyles and the Idiot 7 saying Tim White's company cannot have a contract with the school board but that teachers on county commission can have a contract with the school board? Talk about the kettle calling the pot black in spades!!!!!!
Lost Honesty

Dickson, TN

#57 Nov 21, 2012
however wrote:
The opinion of the Tennessee Attorney General carries a lot of weight, and this one has not be overturned by ANY court that I am aware of....
No, but there are a lot of teachers and county employees who are ignoring that opinion and getting elected to county commissions.
Small Minds

Maxton, NC

#58 Nov 21, 2012
And who are going to replace them with? Another group of good old boys? People around here don't vote for qualified candidates, they vote for who goes to church with their mamaw.
Taxpayer

Dickson, TN

#59 Nov 21, 2012
example wrote:
"A county commissioner whose duty it is to provide funds for construction contracts entered into by the county school board cannot enter into a construction contract with the county board of education without violating T.C.A. 12-4-101(a)." Op. Tenn. Atty. Gen. 91-31
So, Alan Broyles and the Idiot 7 believe they can pick on people who have contracts with the school board. If I am not mistaken, Alan Broyles, Jimmy Sams and Hilton Seay were all at one time contractors with the school board, very interesting. I see Tommy Cobble around Chuckey-Doak a lot, is he getting any kind of benefit from that and would that disqualify him from School Board. I think I saw Rex Hopson's daughter as a coach at Chuckey-Doak and I believe Kathy Austin's sister is a school teacher. It goes on and on and on. I do believe Mr. Broyles has opened a Pandora's box. It is even possible you might disqualify every one in Greene County from sitting on commission or school board.
Funny

Dickson, TN

#61 Nov 21, 2012
Small Minds wrote:
And who are going to replace them with? Another group of good old boys? People around here don't vote for qualified candidates, they vote for who goes to church with their mamaw.
Actually they vote for who just beat up their wife.

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