911 tape has woman shooting at Arizona intruders

A 911 recording released by a southern Arizona sheriff's department captures a woman pleading for help after assailants broke into her home and fatally shot her husband and 9-year-old daughter.

[Jedi Squirrel]

How tragic for her, at least the guilty parties have been arrested.

[LooseSCruz]

A Hispanic man is killed by racist anti-illegal immigrant lunatics because they wanted his money and/or drugs? I'm surprised the usuals aren't here heaping praise on the murderers for their selfless defense of America.

Pat Kittle, where you at?

[Yep]

He's a drug dealer it's the cost of doing business. The real tragedy here is that his business got his innocent daughter killed

[say its not so]

LooseSCruz wrote:

A Hispanic man is killed by racist anti-illegal immigrant lunatics because they wanted his money and/or drugs? I'm surprised the usuals aren't here heaping praise on the murderers for their selfless defense of America.
Pat Kittle, where you at?

'Just where did you read "killed by racist anti-illegal immigrant lunatics" or even get that idea from? did you read the article?
or do you just create spin to place on your resume?

[BGHOZ]

I realize that 'immigration' is an issue,but to take it to this extreem is heartless and senseless. Violence begets violence a very viciouse cycle.

[how about your daughter]

David wrote:

Welcome to the US. She should have shot and killed all, not just wounded one, but a good start.

They murdered a nine year old girl.

You are an azz.

[Dave]

Illegal Mexicans no doubt,but don't expect our timid media to inform Americans of this very real,growing threat to their safety.
After reading this article,how can people wonder why we want to have guns?

[puhleeze]

say its not so wrote:

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'Just where did you read "killed by racist anti-illegal immigrant lunatics" or even get that idea from? did you read the article?
or do you just create spin to place on your resume?

Maybe it was from every published report on the story, or from the murderers appearance at anti-immigrant events, or from the white supremacist organizations to which the murderers belonged, or from the murderers own hateful rhetoric.

Just a guess.

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Forde is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a small border watch group, and Bush goes by the nickname “Gunny” and is its operations director, according to the group’s Web site. She is from Everett, Wash., has recently been living in Arizona and was once associated with the better known and larger Minuteman Civil Defense Corps., the Associated Press reported.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/dead/2009/06/15/doub...

[Yep]

BGHOZ wrote:

I realize that 'immigration' is an issue,but to take it to this extreem is heartless and senseless. Violence begets violence a very viciouse cycle.

Immigration and racism are canards here, these folks are criminals who justified their crime by stealing from a criminal. Here is one of those 'racists' who strangely looks Hispanic and has what one might infer is a Hispanic name. It's about the money

http://www.azstarnet.com/ss/2009/06/13/l29691...

[BGHOZ]

Yep wrote:

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Immigration and racism are canards here, these folks are criminals who justified their crime by stealing from a criminal. Here is one of those 'racists' who strangely looks Hispanic and has what one might infer is a Hispanic name. It's about the money
http://www.azstarnet.com/ss/2009/06/13/l29691...

PS.sorry 'bout the typo...'HAL'(the computer)is up to his nonsence AGAIN!

[say its not so]

puhleeze wrote:

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Maybe it was from every published report on the story, or from the murderers appearance at anti-immigrant events, or from the white supremacist organizations to which the murderers belonged, or from the murderers own hateful rhetoric.
Just a guess.
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Forde is the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a small border watch group, and Bush goes by the nickname “Gunny” and is its operations director, according to the group’s Web site. She is from Everett, Wash., has recently been living in Arizona and was once associated with the better known and larger Minuteman Civil Defense Corps., the Associated Press reported.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/dead/2009/06/15/doub...

I completely overlooked that paragraph in the article, I retract and apologize for my comment on this section of the article. While I still say the drug dealer brought this on himself(if proven this is the case) there is no justification for so called rights activist on any side to commit this type of crime.

[puhleeze]

say its not so wrote:

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I completely overlooked that paragraph in the article, I retract and apologize for my comment on this section of the article. While I still say the drug dealer brought this on himself(if proven this is the case) there is no justification for so called rights activist on any side to commit this type of crime.

Well then I'd have to say you're a pretty reasonable person there Tex. I take back two-thirds of what I was thinking about you when I posted that. ;-)

Just kidding; it's a rare thing what you just did. You da man.

[LooseSCruz]

say its not so wrote:

<quoted text>
'Just where did you read "killed by racist anti-illegal immigrant lunatics" or even get that idea from? did you read the article?
or do you just create spin to place on your resume?

Uh, it's called reading the story.

You meat.

[Arivaca resident]

If you read other articles you will see that this is a faux Minuetman Group. The original groups had nothing to do with this group. Most think it was formed for another agenda no doubt. The victims were not illegals. THis group of criminals committed this crime purely for financial reasons. The media has not done justice to this story and has led many to believe this was done by the patriotic group that is really concerned about our countires safety. They would never committ such. This criminal group would have done the same thing to a little old couple that had money stashed under the house. It was not a matter of race or politics.

[Frijoles]

Arivaca resident wrote:

If you read other articles you will see that this is a faux Minuetman Group. The original groups had nothing to do with this group. Most think it was formed for another agenda no doubt. The victims were not illegals. THis group of criminals committed this crime purely for financial reasons. The media has not done justice to this story and has led many to believe this was done by the patriotic group that is really concerned about our countires safety. They would never committ such. This criminal group would have done the same thing to a little old couple that had money stashed under the house. It was not a matter of race or politics.

Interesting.

My experiences, however, are that the real (or "original") minutemen groups, though not total thieves, tend to be unbalanced individuals. Not much difference from the neo-nazis or the kkk. The "militia" gives them a reason for existence and an excuse to act out their predjudicial fantasies. The majority of them are not even from the border states. Local law enforcement hate them.

[Yep]

Frijoles wrote:

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Interesting.
My experiences, however, are that the real (or "original") minutemen groups, though not total thieves, tend to be unbalanced individuals. Not much difference from the neo-nazis or the kkk. The "militia" gives them a reason for existence and an excuse to act out their predjudicial fantasies. The majority of them are not even from the border states. Local law enforcement hate them.

Insert La Raza (minus the border states)or Black Panthers for minutemen and your post would also be correct as well. The only reason the Minutemen even exist is because our government will not enforce it's own laws so these citizens have taken it upon themselves to do it. I would much rather have the gov't enforce the law as would every law abiding American. Total thieves huh...you mean enforcing the law makes them criminals? Is that your analogy ?

[Frijoles]

Yep wrote:

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Total thieves huh...you mean enforcing the law makes them criminals? Is that your analogy ?

No, I mean by taking on an issue that isnt even theirs, going to a state that they do not live in, annoying both the local populace and the law enforcement, often acting racist, all to make them themsleves feel better to the detriment of the rest of society, makes them unbalanced.

They could accomplish the same goal of raising their own self-esteem by staying put and acquiring a real hobby. Thats what most other under-employed people do, the ones that still have all the screws tight in their heads.

[former resident]

i would just like to say that i used to live in Arivaca it disgusts me to read the comments about Mr. Flores being a "drug dealer" and that is the business. If The allegation were true then why was he still on the streets for this to even happen? everyone (the sheriffs dep't included) would do alot better at making this make sense if they focused their attention towards the local and this being a personal vendetta against Mr. Flores. Noone bothers to mention that one of the suspects had pulled a gun on Mr. Flores just weeks prior to the killings when Mr. Flores caught him loading a vehicle with weed on his property only the suspect didn't count on Mr. Flores being armed as well. and, the papers don't say anything about the fact that the local suspect was spouting off around town about how he "was going to get Junior" in the weeks prior to the murders. This was as recent as a few days before the murders. and , another thing, if these people were doing this for money and drugs how did they even know of Mr. Flores and His family? where is the connection? Somehow someone somewhere had to have given them information that would lead them to believe they would find what they were looking for there. But, no one stops to consider these things.

[Jim]

Ah, don't worry, it was just those racist murdering MinmuteKlan, protecting our borders from working migrants.

What do you mean, they are common criminals, that rob their own family and shake down drug dealers.

[another former resident]

Why is it that the intervews of locals only tell of the very few good things Albert has done but completly ignore all the bad? Why has no one commented on him being a junkie with visible track marks? Or when he shacked up with a 17 year old local girl we all know? Or the fact he is related, by blood, to a local family who has run pot out of Arivaca for years? We all know who I am talking about!!!! Why do I know of Albert's threats of getting Jr. and no one else does? Or how about Sandi and Owens involvement in this? Albert was seen at Sandi's the day before his arrest!!! And how about the so called recording of her conversation with Albert? How can the law raid her house, take bundles from it, call her place a known drug house, and she still has her kids? This was a personal vendetta by locals and it was orcastrated by locals!! And I dont believe law enforcement want to learn the truth at all!! I am ashamed of the residents of Arivaca!!! A baby was killed yet you all are keeping the truth to yourselves!!! WHY??? I hope you are treated the same why!!! You make me sick!!