FCAT writing score plummet, giving state dilemma

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“Just Add Obama ”

Since: Mar 08

Jacksonville Florida

#2 May 15, 2012
Anyone surprised here? Anyone?
Here is a prediction to keep an eye on when the individual school scores are released, if they are released. Those schools how spent the greatest time and resources preparing their students for the FCAT and less on actually teaching will have the lower scores, in general.

Parentís education starts and ends in your house, the results are on you and your childrenís own hands.

Breeders the above statement does not apply to you as we all know you donít give a dam anyway.

“How Do You Avoid Apathy? ”

Since: Oct 07

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#3 May 16, 2012
I am surprised that nobody is even discussing this issue. It is plain awful that the state lowered the expectations for students once again.
noshellswill

Saint Augustine, FL

#4 May 16, 2012
thamanjimmy wrote:
I am surprised that nobody is even discussing this issue. It is plain awful that the state lowered the expectations for students once again.
Best guess? Somebody blundered and failed to **fake** student performance data. Plenty of documented examples where teachers/admins "reconstruct" student test performance by manufacturing fake exams, changing actual student answers and/or grades.

Do you really think that more than 10% of the Bantu can perform intellectual tasks at white mid.class standards? And if you can't TEACH to those standards then the whites will remain ignorant and ill-perform also.
Teacher

Jacksonville, FL

#5 May 16, 2012
I agree it is awful that they lowered the expectations, but it is no worse than the fact that they changed the rules in the middle of this year RAISING the scores needed to show proficiency in reading and math. Just wait until those results come out.

My opinion is that the writing scores went down so much because teachers are no longer allowed to teach spelling and grammar. Remember when we had Spelling and English books? I haven't seen either in over 20 years.

Since: Sep 09

Pomona Park, FL

#6 May 16, 2012
noshellswill wrote:
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Best guess? Somebody blundered and failed to **fake** student performance data. Plenty of documented examples where teachers/admins "reconstruct" student test performance by manufacturing fake exams, changing actual student answers and/or grades.
Do you really think that more than 10% of the Bantu can perform intellectual tasks at white mid.class standards? And if you can't TEACH to those standards then the whites will remain ignorant and ill-perform also.
As long as intelligent White children are forced to attend schools with Blacks and Hispanics they will never achieve the level of learning their capable of, and they to are being dumbed down. I agree with you 100%... All we need to do is look at those cultures to get a clear picture of what;s happening in our school systems.
Create White schools only, and see what the results would be in classroom performance.
Wondering

Jacksonville, FL

#7 May 17, 2012
The Toaster wrote:
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As long as intelligent White children are forced to attend schools with Blacks and Hispanics they will never achieve the level of learning their capable of, and they to are being dumbed down. I agree with you 100%... All we need to do is look at those cultures to get a clear picture of what;s happening in our school systems.
Create White schools only, and see what the results would be in classroom performance.
What would we do with the unintelligent white children? Don't your kids deserve to go to school, too?

Your comment is way past ignorant.
noshellswill

Saint Augustine, FL

#8 May 17, 2012
The Toaster wrote:
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As long as intelligent White children are forced to attend schools with Blacks and Hispanics they will never achieve the level of learning their capable of, and they to are being dumbed down. I agree with you 100%... All we need to do is look at those cultures to get a clear picture of what;s happening in our school systems.
Create White schools only, and see what the results would be in classroom performance.
Private "religious" K-12 schools -- whether Protestant, Catholic or Jewish provide a useful substitute ... at about $10,000/yr/student. A Charleston friend has paid $12-K+ for his sons church HS ... of-course on graduation he had no problem with university admission or performance.

I wonder how many local atheists would choose a Catholic HS for their child **just** because she would have to read St Augustan, St Thomas and Erasmus?

In such private schools thugs and dummies get thrown out, while classical mental discipline rules the classroom.

Since: Sep 09

Pomona Park, FL

#9 May 17, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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What would we do with the unintelligent white children? Don't your kids deserve to go to school, too?
Your comment is way past ignorant.
My kids went to private schools that were 99% white ,and graduated from college, both hold top executive jobs. one is a CFO of a mid size local company,and the other is an Executive for a manuf. company. It's very obvious you're either very naive or were a victim of dumb down,or both. Do you have any idea what the HS graduation rate is for Black students in this area ? Check it out, and let me know if you think learning, and graduating from HS is important to that culture. Because of their race most of these kids could get a free ride to college if they had decent grades in HS, thanks to White tax payers, but in most cases they could care less,and the girls get knocked up and live off welfare. 60% of Black women ages 15-20 years old have at least one illegitimate pregnancy. You have a computer look up the stats, and get a real education instead of talking about BS you know nothing about.
While your checking things out you might want to look up STD cases in Black teens compared to White teens. If you're surprised by the results you find. You have really been dumbed down.
Wondering

Jacksonville, FL

#10 May 17, 2012
The Toaster wrote:
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My kids went to private schools that were 99% white ,and graduated from college, both hold top executive jobs. one is a CFO of a mid size local company,and the other is an Executive for a manuf. company. It's very obvious you're either very naive or were a victim of dumb down,or both. Do you have any idea what the HS graduation rate is for Black students in this area ? Check it out, and let me know if you think learning, and graduating from HS is important to that culture. Because of their race most of these kids could get a free ride to college if they had decent grades in HS, thanks to White tax payers, but in most cases they could care less,and the girls get knocked up and live off welfare. 60% of Black women ages 15-20 years old have at least one illegitimate pregnancy. You have a computer look up the stats, and get a real education instead of talking about BS you know nothing about.
While your checking things out you might want to look up STD cases in Black teens compared to White teens. If you're surprised by the results you find. You have really been dumbed down.
No, I've not been dumbed down, but you did not answer the question, which was what to do with unintelligent white children, of whom there are many.

In my opinion, there needs to be MORE integration of Duval County Schools, not less. Ignorance breeds contempt, you know. Perhaps if students of all races had positive role models of different races, things could get better.

Kudos to your sons; not every parent can afford to send her kids to private schools which are 99% white.
noshellswill

Saint Augustine, FL

#11 May 17, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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What would we do with the unintelligent white children? Don't your kids deserve to go to school, too?
Your comment is way past ignorant.
Early on, separate students by demonstrated skills and motivation. Do not cripple-the-swift or blind-the-farsighted. Let the able move as far and as fast as they can; that's simple justice.

A solid **crafts** option for mechanically talented can be re-instated. I've seen the woodworking metalworking product of that in the Spokane Wa. HS system, and those "craft/arts" students are well disposed to earn both respect and excellent money. Business? Anyone can learn to run a spreadsheet and write flyers.

Since: Sep 09

Pomona Park, FL

#12 May 17, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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No, I've not been dumbed down, but you did not answer the question, which was what to do with unintelligent white children, of whom there are many.
In my opinion, there needs to be MORE integration of Duval County Schools, not less. Ignorance breeds contempt, you know. Perhaps if students of all races had positive role models of different races, things could get better.
Kudos to your sons; not every parent can afford to send her kids to private schools which are 99% white.
In some points of our notes I agree with you,but it all starts at home. If parents aren't interested or involved than the student seems to do the same. The only real solution is to force parents to be involved with their child's education. Tax payers spend thousands of dollars per pupil to insure they're educated. If people want to be parents they should be held accountable in making sure their child is doing his or her best to generate passing grades in school. If the kid is not passing they need to refund money back to tax payers for the waste of money. It can be in the form of cash or working for the school system cleaning rest rooms or picking up garbage, I could care less as long as we tax payers get refunded. If we get tough I feel confident grades will improve 100%, but if we don't the only thing we can be sure of is more crime,more illegitimate child births, and kids blaming the system because they happen to be losers. All kids are born equal, it's what happens in their life as children that determines if they are losers or achievers. That most important part falls on the shoulders of the parents, or parent. If they fail in my opinion they should be held accountable. I'm tired of hearing all the BS laid on teachers, they can't force a kid to do his or her homework, and study. That's the job of a parent regardless if they live in gov't housing or Ponte Vedra Beach. No excuses accepted.

Since: Oct 08

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#13 May 17, 2012
The Toaster wrote:
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In some points of our notes I agree with you,but it all starts at home. If parents aren't interested or involved than the student seems to do the same. The only real solution is to force parents to be involved with their child's education. Tax payers spend thousands of dollars per pupil to insure they're educated. If people want to be parents they should be held accountable in making sure their child is doing his or her best to generate passing grades in school. If the kid is not passing they need to refund money back to tax payers for the waste of money. It can be in the form of cash or working for the school system cleaning rest rooms or picking up garbage, I could care less as long as we tax payers get refunded. If we get tough I feel confident grades will improve 100%, but if we don't the only thing we can be sure of is more crime,more illegitimate child births, and kids blaming the system because they happen to be losers. All kids are born equal, it's what happens in their life as children that determines if they are losers or achievers. That most important part falls on the shoulders of the parents, or parent. If they fail in my opinion they should be held accountable. I'm tired of hearing all the BS laid on teachers, they can't force a kid to do his or her homework, and study. That's the job of a parent regardless if they live in gov't housing or Ponte Vedra Beach. No excuses accepted.
Oh, we agree much more than you know. I've seen all you described first-hand and honestly don't know what to do about it. What I do know is that we can't blame the kids, but it is the kids who ultimately pay the price. It is the kid who faces the anger and frustration of their teachers, who know deep down it isn't the child's fault.

"As the twig is bent, so grows the tree," is a very profound statement. Paradoxically, we understand the issues of the wounded child, but we expect him to become a healthy adult.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#14 May 17, 2012
I apologize for jumping in on this, but issues of education always interest me.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#15 May 17, 2012
Mr Logic in Jax wrote:
Anyone surprised here? Anyone?
Here is a prediction to keep an eye on when the individual school scores are released, if they are released. Those schools how spent the greatest time and resources preparing their students for the FCAT and less on actually teaching will have the lower scores, in general.
Parentís education starts and ends in your house, the results are on you and your childrenís own hands.
Breeders the above statement does not apply to you as we all know you donít give a dam anyway.
I believe the scores are to be released tomorrow. I am not really sure what happened, since the percent of students scoring a 3.0 this year is expected to be the same as the percent of students scoring a 4.0 last year - at the 4th grade level, at least. Last year, scoring a 3.0 was very easy to do.

Since: Sep 09

Pomona Park, FL

#16 May 17, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
I apologize for jumping in on this, but issues of education always interest me.
I'm glad you jumped in. Some one needs to jump in and do something about this situation, and not be afraid to tell it like it is.
I'm not involved in any way with the school system, but I feel quite sure if I was,and had the authority I would get it straight very fast. The problem is I would step on many politicians toes,and not be a popular guy with many parents of which I could care less. The main concern should be getting the kids,especially Black kids on track to getting an education regardless of all the racial BS handed out by that community. Parents are the key, and it's their responsibility to guide their kids in the right direction. Teachers are there to teach, and help, but not babysit.

Since: Sep 09

Pomona Park, FL

#17 May 17, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
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Oh, we agree much more than you know. I've seen all you described first-hand and honestly don't know what to do about it. What I do know is that we can't blame the kids, but it is the kids who ultimately pay the price. It is the kid who faces the anger and frustration of their teachers, who know deep down it isn't the child's fault.
"As the twig is bent, so grows the tree," is a very profound statement. Paradoxically, we understand the issues of the wounded child, but we expect him to become a healthy adult.
Good stuff and very true.

“How Do You Avoid Apathy? ”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#18 May 17, 2012
How do you hold parents accountable?

It also worries me when someone says not to blame the kids. Of course we should! But also blame others as well.

Since: Sep 09

Pomona Park, FL

#19 May 17, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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No, I've not been dumbed down, but you did not answer the question, which was what to do with unintelligent white children, of whom there are many.
In my opinion, there needs to be MORE integration of Duval County Schools, not less. Ignorance breeds contempt, you know. Perhaps if students of all races had positive role models of different races, things could get better.
Kudos to your sons; not every parent can afford to send her kids to private schools which are 99% white.
The idea of positive role models as teachers is a great idea,but for sure they would need to keep check on the parent or parents of the kids to make sure they were involved and loyal to the idea of the kids getting at least a HS diploma, and walking across that the stage with a diploma in hand. That experience alone could create a desire to take it to the next level.

Good Stuff --- When it comes down to good solid role models I don't think race would be an issue. Respect would be the key.
noshellswill

Saint Augustine, FL

#20 May 18, 2012
The Toaster wrote:
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I'm glad you jumped in. Some one needs to jump in and do something about this situation, and not be afraid to tell it like it is.
I'm not involved in any way with the school system, but I feel quite sure if I was,and had the authority I would get it straight very fast. The problem is I would step on many politicians toes,and not be a popular guy with many parents of which I could care less. The main concern should be getting the kids,especially Black kids on track to getting an education regardless of all the racial BS handed out by that community. Parents are the key, and it's their responsibility to guide their kids in the right direction. Teachers are there to teach, and help, but not babysit.
Sorry .. you fail. The American Negro culture cannot ( on average ) function at the level of a 21-st century techno society. Basically too stupid, but also too un-disciplined.

May I repeat, on average Negro Americans are unable to contribute to the majority Euro-white culture ... an avg. IQ of 85 and **no long tail** condemns them to the neolithic! And this disability extends to their children who themselves (on average) fail in learning performance tasks.

Negros suppress their own most able 10%, promoting a bling/sports/gangsta meme and who can say what a strictly disciplined Negro sub-culture could (over)accomplish? High motivation and discipline often out-classes pure smarts! But ... that's not happening without merciless culling.

A unfixable human tragedy. Nothing for an honest republican to be happy about. Have a nice day.

Since: Sep 09

Pomona Park, FL

#21 May 18, 2012
noshellswill wrote:
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Sorry .. you fail. The American Negro culture cannot ( on average ) function at the level of a 21-st century techno society. Basically too stupid, but also too un-disciplined.
May I repeat, on average Negro Americans are unable to contribute to the majority Euro-white culture ... an avg. IQ of 85 and **no long tail** condemns them to the neolithic! And this disability extends to their children who themselves (on average) fail in learning performance tasks.
Negros suppress their own most able 10%, promoting a bling/sports/gangsta meme and who can say what a strictly disciplined Negro sub-culture could (over)accomplish? High motivation and discipline often out-classes pure smarts! But ... that's not happening without merciless culling.
A unfixable human tragedy. Nothing for an honest republican to be happy about. Have a nice day.
Needless to say thus far in our culture you are 100% correct,and without special education programs,and a bunch of tax dollars it will not change. The key for any type of improvement in the case of black children's education progress is parental involvement, and we both know that won't happen. It's not important to them.

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