Paid Gap fire department to cut hours

Paid Gap fire department to cut hours

There are 37 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Feb 13, 2011, titled Paid Gap fire department to cut hours. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

Funding cuts at the Fort Indiantown Gap fire department could soon leave the installation without overnight fire protection.

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anonymous

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#21 Feb 14, 2011
Just the facts wrote:
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It's complicated. The paychecks come from the state. The money comes from the state. Or lately, the money does NOT come from the state, or anywhere else. I've seen the paychecks!
Yes, the state employees' paychecks are issued from the state, but the federal government pays the state for supplying those employees.
SSG

AOL

#22 Feb 14, 2011
Corbett to starve PA KIDS wrote:
You voted for it in the last election cycle, now learn to live with it.
Corbett just announced he will be cutting $4 billion dollars in state spending all in one years budget with no tax increases.
Corbett told his fellow Republicans any tax increase to feed poor children living in Pennsylvania would be very hurtful to the GOP'S next campaign cycle chances.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11044/1125120-...
And wrong you are. This wasn't something that happened over night. Not that the state had any budgetary control over this, but all of the decisions to cut the hours at the Gap happened during fast Eddie's watch, and it is thanks to Obama's budget cuts to the military that make cuts like this necessary. So, before you start placing blame on a Governor who has only been in office for about a month you might want to do a little fact finding.
What do I know

Harrisburg, PA

#23 Feb 16, 2011
carl wrote:
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so how many do they have in any given month?
The last big fire I recall was a brush fire that went into the games lands in stony valley.
What do I know

Harrisburg, PA

#24 Feb 16, 2011
hmmm wrote:
The townships should enact ordinances that charge the Gap a set amount for responses that fall outside of the mutual aid agreement. Maybe then they'll think about this poor decision.
Can the residents living in that township on the gap stop paying taxes then? Or is this a way for the township to double dip on thier tax payers??
What do I know

Harrisburg, PA

#25 Feb 16, 2011
ndaknow wrote:
This seems about right, the Gaps joke of a police department call the State Police for anything more serious than a speeding ticket. Its their installation, they need to patrol it and provide first response...God forbid a chopper goes down at o'dark 30 and they have to wait for various local fire depts. to mobilize and respond.
"gaps joke of a police department" They sound pretty smart to me, pass on the hard stuff to someone else!!
But, I agree with you let the police put out the fires. Everyone knows if you remove the fuel or the oxegen the fire will go out. I think they should be able to do that.
anonymous

Arlington, VA

#26 Feb 16, 2011
What do I know wrote:
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Can the residents living in that township on the gap stop paying taxes then? Or is this a way for the township to double dip on thier tax payers??
Taxes paid to the township by residents does not go to the Gap F.D. Townships have alotments, usually, from tax money that goes to local F.D. this does not include the Gap F.D.
what do I know

Punxsutawney, PA

#27 Feb 16, 2011
anonymous wrote:
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Taxes paid to the township by residents does not go to the Gap F.D. Townships have alotments, usually, from tax money that goes to local F.D. this does not include the Gap F.D.
Exactly. They are saying that the fire departments should start charging the Gap for responding. The residents in the rest of, lets say East Hanover Twp, do not pay for the fire departments to respond to their house. Some of the money they charge the Gap would be passed on to the residents of the Gap through their rent. So the money they take out of my check goes to East Hanover Twp (this happens to everybody) and they divvy it up, then more of my money by way of rent goes to the local fire department (this would only happen to residents of the Gap). How is that right? I get punished because of where I live??
BRACx2

Curtis Bay, MD

#28 Feb 16, 2011
Some clarifications are in order here. Even though the base receives significant federal funding, the Indiantown Gap military reservation is owned and operated by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Military and Veterans Affairs Department, not the Department of Defense. Army fire protection regulations (AR-420-1, Chapter 25-2.a.1) do not apply to facilities licensed to and operated by the various state National Guard entities, therefore the same standards that apply at an active duty DOD base don't normally apply. Having said all of that, the local volunteer fire companies would be perfectly within their rights to dissolve their mutual aid agreements with the Commonwealth and begin billing them on a fee per call basis. Of course, the same Commonwealth that says it can't afford around-the-clock fire protection at the Gap would cry poor when it comes to paying the bills that the local companies submit. I suspect many of them have already contacted their local State representatives to voice their legitimate concerns. They should also pressure their Congressional representatives to voice their displeasure with being placed in this situation because of inadequate or misallocated federal funding by the Commonwealth in providing essential services at the base.'nuff said.
Dead on

Camp Hill, PA

#29 Feb 16, 2011
BRACx2 wrote:
Some clarifications are in order here. Even though the base receives significant federal funding, the Indiantown Gap military reservation is owned and operated by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Military and Veterans Affairs Department, not the Department of Defense. Army fire protection regulations (AR-420-1, Chapter 25-2.a.1) do not apply to facilities licensed to and operated by the various state National Guard entities, therefore the same standards that apply at an active duty DOD base don't normally apply. Having said all of that, the local volunteer fire companies would be perfectly within their rights to dissolve their mutual aid agreements with the Commonwealth and begin billing them on a fee per call basis. Of course, the same Commonwealth that says it can't afford around-the-clock fire protection at the Gap would cry poor when it comes to paying the bills that the local companies submit. I suspect many of them have already contacted their local State representatives to voice their legitimate concerns. They should also pressure their Congressional representatives to voice their displeasure with being placed in this situation because of inadequate or misallocated federal funding by the Commonwealth in providing essential services at the base.'nuff said.
Dead on!
Chris

United States

#30 Feb 18, 2011
Still haven't seen an anser to my original question. Aren't there any firefighter MOS's in the Army?
SSG

AOL

#31 Feb 19, 2011
Chris wrote:
Still haven't seen an anser to my original question. Aren't there any firefighter MOS's in the Army?
To answer your question: Yes. However, it is a National Guard base staffed primarily by full time federal technicians. Additional funds would be required to staff the fire department with soldiers in the national guard with the fire fighter MOS. Furthermore, I don't believe there would be enough national guard fire fighters to staff the fire department 24/7. Hope that clarifies your question.
what do I know

Wilmington, DE

#32 Feb 19, 2011
Chris wrote:
Still haven't seen an anser to my original question. Aren't there any firefighter MOS's in the Army?
Yes, They have Military at the fire station. I saw firefighters wearing a military uniform anyway.
SSG

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#33 Feb 19, 2011
what do I know wrote:
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Yes, They have Military at the fire station. I saw firefighters wearing a military uniform anyway.
Obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about. CIVILIAN FEDERAL TECHNICIANS are required to wear their Army uniform for their work uniform. Just because someone is wearing a military uniform at Ft. Indiantown Gap does not mean they are in a U.S. Army status that day.
what do I know

Wilmington, DE

#34 Feb 20, 2011
SSG wrote:
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Obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about. CIVILIAN FEDERAL TECHNICIANS are required to wear their Army uniform for their work uniform. Just because someone is wearing a military uniform at Ft. Indiantown Gap does not mean they are in a U.S. Army status that day.
Maybe you should learn to read!! The question was about there being any firefighter MOS's in the military? The answer is yes. I was pointing out that there are military working at the fire station. No mention to what capacity they were in.
FLYBOY

Lebanon, PA

#35 Feb 20, 2011
How could they say that WE dont fly at night. WE are mandated to have NIGHT hours and fly by NIGHT vision. Look it up it is an ARMY requirement to FLY at NIGHT.
iknownothing wrote:
it is my understanding that a way to continue coverage was shown but not excepted because midnight to 8 is not a productive time to work.
Local with concern

Lebanon, PA

#36 Feb 20, 2011
The fire service will be cut after midnight. Please call back during normal business hours. The Post EMS is going away on all shifts. NO EMS FOR THE ENTIRE POST
take them behind the barn

Punxsutawney, PA

#37 Feb 20, 2011
Are the po po still there? maybe they will do the fire and medicle stuff.
Patient: I think I have a broken leg.
Cop: We'll just roll you behind the barn here...don't worry, we'll take care of you.
...Bang

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