Letters, Wednesday, April 6

Letters, Wednesday, April 6

There are 38 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Apr 6, 2011, titled Letters, Wednesday, April 6. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

Once again the Pennsylvania State Police responded swiftly and efficiently in apprehending two men who were supposedly target shooting in a field behind a farmhouse in South Lebanon Township.

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witness

Lebanon, PA

#22 Apr 7, 2011
Mr. Barondick sounds so reasonable in his letter. Is this the same Martin Barondick who uses "frick'n" in every other word at school board meetings? slams doors, is extremely rude? I am a democrat and wish I could vote for him, but he is nothing by a nutcase at board meetings. I have witnessed his behavior from the audience. He is the last person to vote for.
Pride in my vote

York, PA

#23 Apr 8, 2011
Wow wrote:
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Dude! You need some help. Are the fumes from the back of the garbage truck affecting your brain again?
He has a job and someone needs to take your garbage away. Seems your too dam lazy to do it. funny funny isn,t it
Wow

Arlington, VA

#24 Apr 8, 2011
Pride in my vote wrote:
<quoted text> He has a job and someone needs to take your garbage away. Seems your too dam lazy to do it. funny funny isn,t it
He? Don't you mean you?
HOPE AND CHANGE

Quarryville, PA

#25 Apr 8, 2011
witness wrote:
Mr. Barondick sounds so reasonable in his letter. Is this the same Martin Barondick who uses "frick'n" in every other word at school board meetings? slams doors, is extremely rude? I am a democrat and wish I could vote for him, but he is nothing by a nutcase at board meetings. I have witnessed his behavior from the audience. He is the last person to vote for.
you may not get hope( what ever that means) by voting for him , but you sure as hell will get change. Its time to shake things up all over
Observer

Lebanon, PA

#26 Apr 8, 2011
witness wrote:
Mr. Barondick sounds so reasonable in his letter. Is this the same Martin Barondick who uses "frick'n" in every other word at school board meetings? slams doors, is extremely rude? I am a democrat and wish I could vote for him, but he is nothing by a nutcase at board meetings. I have witnessed his behavior from the audience. He is the last person to vote for.
You missed racist. If you've ever read any of his comments on here that is a familiar theme. He's entitled to his opinion no matter how archaic, but as one of our elected officials...? I shudder at the thought.
Over taxed

United States

#27 Apr 8, 2011
Wow wrote:
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He? Don't you mean you?
When are you getting a job and help lower the taxes on the working man. All your time is spent in Lebanon Daily News crying. You don not know jack shitt buddy. I have something for you to wow on if you want it. Now thats funny and I don,t care who you are lol.
Wow

Arlington, VA

#28 Apr 11, 2011
Over taxed wrote:
<quoted text> When are you getting a job and help lower the taxes on the working man. All your time is spent in Lebanon Daily News crying. You don not know jack shitt buddy. I have something for you to wow on if you want it. Now thats funny and I don,t care who you are lol.
Some of us are fortunate to have a job that allows Internet access and time to look at the LD News and Topix while at work. Sorry that your job does not offer that, but that is what an education can do for a person.
ToTheMoon

Palmyra, PA

#29 Apr 11, 2011
llDayo wrote:
Football stadiums aren't just used for football. They also make money back through tickets and food sales. There's nothing wrong with them.
No, my friend... They most certainly do NOT make all the money back through tickets and food sales. A multi-million dollar stadium making money back on $5 tickets and $2 hot dogs? Sorry. Bad investment. "Pay to play" with possible scholarships are the way to go.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#30 Apr 11, 2011
ToTheMoon wrote:
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No, my friend... They most certainly do NOT make all the money back through tickets and food sales. A multi-million dollar stadium making money back on $5 tickets and $2 hot dogs? Sorry. Bad investment. "Pay to play" with possible scholarships are the way to go.
I never said ALL of the money was made back. These stadiums also last for many years (decades). Lebanon Middle Schools' stadium has been around longer than I can remember. It also wasn't used strictly for football games so it served other purposes. Events held there would help make money back but its overall worth was definitely worth the cost.

You'll also find that "pay to play" will only go so far as you'll face lawsuits from poorer families who can't afford to have their kids in some of these sports. To get around that, "pay to play" will have to involve the students providing the cash for EVERY expense needed to have a team (including league fees, transportation costs, equipment, coaching salaries...you get the picture).
Wow

Arlington, VA

#31 Apr 11, 2011
llDayo wrote:
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You'll also find that "pay to play" will only go so far as you'll face lawsuits from poorer families who can't afford to have their kids in some of these sports. To get around that, "pay to play" will have to involve the students providing the cash for EVERY expense needed to have a team (including league fees, transportation costs, equipment, coaching salaries...you get the picture).
If the cuts keep happening, the lawsuits will be because every program BUT sports has been cut.
ToTheMoon

Palmyra, PA

#32 Apr 11, 2011
llDayo wrote:
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I never said ALL of the money was made back. These stadiums also last for many years (decades). Lebanon Middle Schools' stadium has been around longer than I can remember. It also wasn't used strictly for football games so it served other purposes. Events held there would help make money back but its overall worth was definitely worth the cost.
You'll also find that "pay to play" will only go so far as you'll face lawsuits from poorer families who can't afford to have their kids in some of these sports. To get around that, "pay to play" will have to involve the students providing the cash for EVERY expense needed to have a team (including league fees, transportation costs, equipment, coaching salaries...you get the picture).
Fair enough... You're right that you didn't say it would recoup *all* the cost. I stand corrected.=) In reality, there are viable pay-to-play options out there that allow for low-income students to participate. Sports programs in schools, without a doubt, teach important lessons to kids. They are ridiculously expensive, though. Are they worth schools not being able to retain reading teachers in elementary schools, though? I don't think so. Local schools that wouldn't consider touching sports programs are cutting teachers, and trying to say that sports programs fund themselves through ticket sales and/or concession sales is dishonest. While *you're* not saying that, others have tried to.

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#33 Apr 11, 2011
ToTheMoon wrote:
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Fair enough... You're right that you didn't say it would recoup *all* the cost. I stand corrected.=) In reality, there are viable pay-to-play options out there that allow for low-income students to participate. Sports programs in schools, without a doubt, teach important lessons to kids. They are ridiculously expensive, though. Are they worth schools not being able to retain reading teachers in elementary schools, though? I don't think so. Local schools that wouldn't consider touching sports programs are cutting teachers, and trying to say that sports programs fund themselves through ticket sales and/or concession sales is dishonest. While *you're* not saying that, others have tried to.
Well, yes, I agree with you there. All I was trying to point out that both sides are not being completely honest with regards to their costs. They do help pay for themselves but at the same time tax money is needed to help out. Now, I must ask you what your stance is regarding an auditorium or gymnasium within a school. Should these be taken away as well?
ToTheMoon

Palmyra, PA

#34 Apr 12, 2011
llDayo wrote:
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Well, yes, I agree with you there. All I was trying to point out that both sides are not being completely honest with regards to their costs. They do help pay for themselves but at the same time tax money is needed to help out. Now, I must ask you what your stance is regarding an auditorium or gymnasium within a school. Should these be taken away as well?
Good question. As a school administrator, I can tell you that there is a benefit for having a place where the entire student population can meet. Does it have to have a multi-million dollar wireless sound system, or seat multiple times the student population? No.

Don't get me wrong. Stadiums (and gymnasiums and auditoriums) are great, and should be built if the cost of them can be shared among the users of the facilities. In other words, for example, basketball, volleyball, and wrestling are charged a percentage of the gymnasium cost for the life of the facility. What do you think?

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#35 Apr 13, 2011
ToTheMoon wrote:
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Good question. As a school administrator, I can tell you that there is a benefit for having a place where the entire student population can meet. Does it have to have a multi-million dollar wireless sound system, or seat multiple times the student population? No.
Don't get me wrong. Stadiums (and gymnasiums and auditoriums) are great, and should be built if the cost of them can be shared among the users of the facilities. In other words, for example, basketball, volleyball, and wrestling are charged a percentage of the gymnasium cost for the life of the facility. What do you think?
That I can agree with. However, you run into an issue of one of those programs eventually fails. Who takes over that planned cost coverage for future budgets?
ToTheMoon

Palmyra, PA

#36 Apr 13, 2011
llDayo wrote:
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That I can agree with. However, you run into an issue of one of those programs eventually fails. Who takes over that planned cost coverage for future budgets?
That is an excellent question, and I'm not sure. I'd want to look at how often a varsity sport folds in a typical 30-year period, perhaps. Good conversation... thanks!

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#37 Apr 13, 2011
ToTheMoon wrote:
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That is an excellent question, and I'm not sure. I'd want to look at how often a varsity sport folds in a typical 30-year period, perhaps. Good conversation... thanks!
You too! Glad to see some civil discourse on these forums for a change.
Observer

Lebanon, PA

#38 Apr 13, 2011
AshburnStadium wrote:
Let's start by cutting football. "NO! We can't cut almighty football!" is what I would be hearing.
So many districts around here have football STADIUMS (with heated bathrooms that have hot & cold running water and also have concession stands with full commercial kitchens) that cost at least seven figures, if not eight.
Just the AstroTurf at Hershey High must have cost in the mid-six figures. Look at the local high school baseball fields in comparison. They play on poorly-groomed sandlots and those players are lucky if they have a port-a-pot near the field.
I know of a school district near Philadelphia (Central Bucks) which just hired a "history" teacher at over $100,000 per year, because he was also hired as head football coach. Don't history teachers usually make around $40,000/year?
What else can we cut? Why have buses going out three times in the morning and three times in the afternoon, not counting late buses? Why not pick up ALL the kids at once, then drop off the elementary school kids first, then the middle school kids, then the high school kids? Most of you think I have it backwards. Study after study have confirmed lately that high school starts far too early to allow teenagers to think clearly, while elementary school kids thrive on early hours.
Why have 500 school districts in PA (not 501, contrary to popular opinion - two districts merged in the last decade). Isn't that far too many? I know Annville-Cleona could easily merge with Palmyra to create the "Western Lebanon School District." Think of the savings in duplicated administration that could be cut!
Let's look at your points. Football does bring in some revenue, albeit not all that much. However, it all is the largest participant high school sport. Sports provide a multitude of learning experiences for students which is why they are tied into education in this country to begin with.

Salaries in the Philadelphia suburban school districts (e.g.-Central Bucks) pay salaries that are 40% to 50% than their average counterparts in Central PA. Hence, the pay for teachers vary, sometimes even those that are only a few miles away from each other.

Combining districts may help cut some costs, most likely in administrative salaries. However, it won't change the number of students that must be served. Studies also show that smaller is better in education.(e.g.-the ideal high school size has been determined by some to be around 600 students.) Consolidation may be a difficult sell to many voters who have strong alleigances to their home areas and schools.

Speaking of studies, since the education business these days seems to be thriving on the latest studies, I'm surprised that those that you mentioned have not been given serious consideration
Opinion

Reading, PA

#39 Sep 16, 2013
Going to have to disagree with mr. Bdick. Cutting football and other sports would be terrible in many ways. As a college student just out of high school, I will say that sports are one of the only reasons I attended school. Everyday when I arrived to cedar crest high school, all i thought about was football and basketball. It's a dangerous game and that will never change. But for him to make fun of blacks "IQ" is outrageous and he needs to just shut his mouth.

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