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“Pro-Constitution , Anti-Obama!”

Since: May 10

Capitan, NM

#41 Apr 6, 2011
La Verne wrote:
As stated I will make no further comments on the whole Flippen matter, but the facts are clear. Neither myself, nor yourself, nor anyone know exactly what happened on the mountain that night EXCEPT that a crazed Flippen murdered an innocent young woman and mother (with her daughter watching) by shooting her to death as she hid in a closet. We know from the evidence that Flippen as caught loading her bullet riddled dead body into the trunk of a car by responding police, with whom Flippen immediately got into a running gunfight, wherein Flippen killed one of the deputies, injured another, and was himself mortally wounded. A few minutes later Flippen was killed either accidentally or on purpose by the surviving deputy he had just tried to murder.
Don't know for sure, of course, but you sound like a person inside the law enforcement or corrections community. Your rancor against Anders seems misplaced and myopic. If I am right in my guess about your occupation, it would seem wise to me that instead of using emotion to judge the events on the mountain, you instead use compassion and a professional conclusion that perhaps the shooting of Flippen was simply an accident, not intentional homicide.
After all, you could be involved in an event not of your making the next shift you work, and decent society owes its agents, such as law enforcement officers, the benefit of the doubt.
Not threats, jail, and a holier than thou attitude when things go wrong, as they did on the mountain that night.
Also, let's not forget the Aryan Brotherhood gaggle of morons later tried to have Anders and other cops killed.
PS. I do not know Anders, but have had considerable insights on the Flippen crew.
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I work in corrections. I see Flippens type everyday. So though I never met Flippen in person I have in a round about way. They deserve noting besides to rot in the back of a jail cell or execution.
As for Anders it you believe it was an accident that he shot Flippen you are sadly mistaken. He pulled his gun and walked up to Flippen and shot the dude. No accident..that was INTENTIONAL! Flippen was already in custody. He posed a threat to no one, heck he was even injured already. Thats law enforcment 101 (once the threat is surpressed its over. Holster you weapon and wait for back-up. But no Anders decided he was the judge, jury and hangman. How you can defend him is beyond me. I will NEVER give him the benefit of the doubt because the video showed MURDER doesnt matter the circumstances Anders is a lowlife, piece of trash murderer. I hope to one day be able to tell him that to his face.

Since: Jan 09

Alamogordo

#42 Apr 6, 2011
And how many retired state police officers run for a seat at the bench in Magistrate Court? And we want them uneducated? No wonder the courts in Otero and Lincoln County are so screwed up.

Since: Jan 09

Alamogordo

#43 Apr 6, 2011
_Ice_Queen_ wrote:
And how many retired state police officers run for a seat at the bench in Magistrate Court? And we want them uneducated? No wonder the courts in Otero and Lincoln County are so screwed up.
Oops...wrong thread.
La Verne

Los Angeles, CA

#44 Apr 6, 2011
OK...you win. Like I said I did not wish to argue.
However, since our last exchange I have reviewed the actual video; have you seen it?

It sure looks like accidental discharge, cause by sympathetic muscle movement (contraction) to me. The deputy did not square off into any type of firing position; did not take aim; he was not swearing or calling names to Flippen; not acting aggressive, just checking the status of the dying Flippen when the gun went off...the deputy just looked like he was in shock to me.

I guess you see it different.

But, hey...I sure called it right on yourself working in the corrections field and all I can hope that is on your next shift if something bad and unpredictable happens, your administrators, supervisors, prosecutors, and your peers do not have the same lopsided view of what happens when things go wrong as you do.

Helll, you might end up in prison for a simple mistake.
Bottom Line: As far as I am concerned the 3 big mistakes made by the deputy were not ones of animosity, revenge, and homicide. It was forgetting his training about always keeping your finger outside the trigger guard, Look-Look-Look again, and NEVER become separated from your partner.

These mistakes in judgement cost lives that night.
But 'murder' of a handcuffed and defenseless suspect: No Way.
(Apparently even the courts, prosecutors, and the always anxious to prosecute and villify a law enforcement officer feds from the Justice Department agreed.

The deputy was a hero that night and for many years and times prior, and a young child -daughter of the slain woman- is alive today as a result of his steadfastness, devotion, and bravery.)

My view.
Chaos Undercover wrote:
<quoted text>
I work in corrections. I see Flippens type everyday. So though I never met Flippen in person I have in a round about way. They deserve noting besides to rot in the back of a jail cell or execution.
As for Anders it you believe it was an accident that he shot Flippen you are sadly mistaken. He pulled his gun and walked up to Flippen and shot the dude. No accident..that was INTENTIONAL! Flippen was already in custody. He posed a threat to no one, heck he was even injured already. Thats law enforcment 101 (once the threat is surpressed its over. Holster you weapon and wait for back-up. But no Anders decided he was the judge, jury and hangman. How you can defend him is beyond me. I will NEVER give him the benefit of the doubt because the video showed MURDER doesnt matter the circumstances Anders is a lowlife, piece of trash murderer. I hope to one day be able to tell him that to his face.

“Pro-Constitution , Anti-Obama!”

Since: May 10

Capitan, NM

#45 Apr 6, 2011
La Verne wrote:
OK...you win. Like I said I did not wish to argue.
However, since our last exchange I have reviewed the actual video; have you seen it?
It sure looks like accidental discharge, cause by sympathetic muscle movement (contraction) to me. The deputy did not square off into any type of firing position; did not take aim; he was not swearing or calling names to Flippen; not acting aggressive, just checking the status of the dying Flippen when the gun went off...the deputy just looked like he was in shock to me.
I guess you see it different.
But, hey...I sure called it right on yourself working in the corrections field and all I can hope that is on your next shift if something bad and unpredictable happens, your administrators, supervisors, prosecutors, and your peers do not have the same lopsided view of what happens when things go wrong as you do.
Helll, you might end up in prison for a simple mistake.
Bottom Line: As far as I am concerned the 3 big mistakes made by the deputy were not ones of animosity, revenge, and homicide. It was forgetting his training about always keeping your finger outside the trigger guard, Look-Look-Look again, and NEVER become separated from your partner.
These mistakes in judgement cost lives that night.
But 'murder' of a handcuffed and defenseless suspect: No Way.
(Apparently even the courts, prosecutors, and the always anxious to prosecute and villify a law enforcement officer feds from the Justice Department agreed.
The deputy was a hero that night and for many years and times prior, and a young child -daughter of the slain woman- is alive today as a result of his steadfastness, devotion, and bravery.)
My view.
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Weapons safety 101: Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire! Anders had been around long enough that was second nature to him. He had to holster his weapon when he cuff Flippen there was no longer any threat. So he had no reason to draw it again. And by your claims it was accidental......involuntary manslaughter has a 5 year sentence not the 1 year Anders got. You can go right on defending him thats your right. I see it from a differnt angle the angle of law enforcement. I have not had near the training Anders did and I can promise you I have more saavy than to execute a cuffed man!
La Verne

La Crescenta, CA

#46 Apr 6, 2011
...your skills and ability are certainly remarkable.

Beyond belief even.

Amazing that someone of such expertise is stuck in a jail.

Party on.
Chaos Undercover wrote:
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Weapons safety 101: Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire! Anders had been around long enough that was second nature to him. He had to holster his weapon when he cuff Flippen there was no longer any threat. So he had no reason to draw it again. And by your claims it was accidental......involuntary manslaughter has a 5 year sentence not the 1 year Anders got. You can go right on defending him thats your right. I see it from a differnt angle the angle of law enforcement. I have not had near the training Anders did and I can promise you I have more saavy than to execute a cuffed man!

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