Salt cost will make winter road clearing pricier

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West Michigan witnessed the first pea-sized signs of winter Sunday: scattered hail seen from Grant to Sand Lake to Byron Center.

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They're paying more for salt, but WAY less for gas...doesn't that kind of even things out??? Or does gas not get budgeted in? I don't know how that works, so please don't flame me!!!:)
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Oct 27, 2008
 
I'm just glad that even though the state highways will cost more to de-ice, we have nice, new, shiny exit signs and mile markers, not to mention replacing all the dull, faded guard rails. Way to go!!!(Too bad some of that money couldn't have been passed on to counties for REAL safety needs.)

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Oct 27, 2008
 
just me wrote:
They're paying more for salt, but WAY less for gas...doesn't that kind of even things out??? Or does gas not get budgeted in? I don't know how that works, so please don't flame me!!!:)
They aren't paying any less for Diesel than they were last year. Remember, fuel prices didn't start skyrocketing until spring. On my way back from florida last march I averaged $2.79 a gallon for regular, and Diesel hasn't come down in recent weeks as much as gasoline has.

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Chad wrote:
I'm just glad that even though the state highways will cost more to de-ice, we have nice, new, shiny exit signs and mile markers, not to mention replacing all the dull, faded guard rails. Way to go!!!(Too bad some of that money couldn't have been passed on to counties for REAL safety needs.)
Yeah, isn't that nice? That's what happens when the State gets Federal Highway funds. They can only be used for the purpose they were granted, not for maintenance or safety reasons. We would be a whole lot better off if the States just kept that money in the first place, rather than sending it to Washington and having it redistributed.

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Oct 27, 2008
 
How very special. Salt costs more, so rather than tighten their belts and salt the roads less, they will spend more tax dollars. Why? Because they can. "Back in the day" we didn't have such wonderfully cleared roads at the first flake that fell.
And, to pour more "salt" into the wound, they will still be whining and crying in February and March that they are running out of salt. And the beat goes on.
LC
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Oct 27, 2008
 
Save money: privatize it.

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Lamont Cranston wrote:
How very special. Salt costs more, so rather than tighten their belts and salt the roads less, they will spend more tax dollars. Why? Because they can. "Back in the day" we didn't have such wonderfully cleared roads at the first flake that fell.
And, to pour more "salt" into the wound, they will still be whining and crying in February and March that they are running out of salt. And the beat goes on.
LC
Oh they are cutting back. I know here in Ottawa county that if you live in a sub-division or just not on a main road, you'd better plan on being snowed in for 2 or 3 days before the plows come through now.
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Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, isn't that nice? That's what happens when the State gets Federal Highway funds. They can only be used for the purpose they were granted, not for maintenance or safety reasons. We would be a whole lot better off if the States just kept that money in the first place, rather than sending it to Washington and having it redistributed.
They are just trying to practice His Royal Majesty O'sama's edict of spreading the wealth around.
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Oct 27, 2008
 
Same song and dance every year.
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Oct 27, 2008
 
Ben wrote:
Save money: privatize it.
Good idea, however the "privative card" usually works only when it's for everyone but you and your job. Would love to hear county workers who are all for privatizing with the schools feel about privatizing their jobs.
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<quoted text>Oh they are cutting back. I know here in Ottawa county that if you live in a sub-division or just not on a main road, you'd better plan on being snowed in for 2 or 3 days before the plows come through now.
True, but when the plows do come through, expect several hundred pounds of salt to come with them. As a kid, our road only got sand and never saw salt unless we got an ice storm. Now, they salt it EVERY time they plow. I used to snowmobile on our road, now the kids rollerblade on it many times (no kidding!)

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Oct 29, 2008
 
Chad wrote:
<quoted text>True, but when the plows do come through, expect several hundred pounds of salt to come with them. As a kid, our road only got sand and never saw salt unless we got an ice storm. Now, they salt it EVERY time they plow. I used to snowmobile on our road, now the kids rollerblade on it many times (no kidding!)
not to sure they dont use sand until salt is needed
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Oct 29, 2008
 
On my country road, I would rather they put sand down instead of salt. The salt melts the snow and ice some, but my road seems to be iced over all winter
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Oct 31, 2008
 
Lamont Cranston wrote:
How very special. Salt costs more, so rather than tighten their belts and salt the roads less, they will spend more tax dollars. Why? Because they can. "Back in the day" we didn't have such wonderfully cleared roads at the first flake that fell.
And, to pour more "salt" into the wound, they will still be whining and crying in February and March that they are running out of salt. And the beat goes on.
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Road Commissions get their funding from the Gas Tax which hasn't been raised in years. With gas as high as it was, the tax the Road Commissions received was the same. People drove less, Road Commissions received less. While the idea of cutting back sounds great and I'm all for it, people still expect their sub division streets to be bare pavement and the highways to be bare pavement and that is just not realistic anymore. The public expects way too much - all people need to do is slow down in the winter and take their time. Can't have it both ways!!

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Chad wrote:
<quoted text>True, but when the plows do come through, expect several hundred pounds of salt to come with them. As a kid, our road only got sand and never saw salt unless we got an ice storm. Now, they salt it EVERY time they plow. I used to snowmobile on our road, now the kids rollerblade on it many times (no kidding!)
A big part of that is what the public expects. If THEIR road isn't cleared down to bare pavement, the Road Commission gets angry phone calls from residents.

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I still don't understand why we just don't use sand.

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Oct 31, 2008
 
just me wrote:
They're paying more for salt, but WAY less for gas...doesn't that kind of even things out??? Or does gas not get budgeted in? I don't know how that works, so please don't flame me!!!:)
Big trucks use diesel....

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Lucy in Rockford wrote:
I still don't understand why we just don't use sand.
Sand is for traction on ice,salt melts ice and helps remove snow from blacktop after the road is plowed and remaining snow is packed down below snowplow/blade depth to remove it from road. Where I live our road is NEVER salted and I may be stranded for days as the county plows have gotten stuck on our road due to 6 foot drifts. Glad I have a snowmobile to get my beer.LOL
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Oct 31, 2008
 
just me wrote:
They're paying more for salt, but WAY less for gas...doesn't that kind of even things out??? Or does gas not get budgeted in? I don't know how that works, so please don't flame me!!!:)
They're actually paying way more for diesel than they did last winter and diesel really hasn't come down anywhere near what gas has.

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Oct 31, 2008
 
Chad wrote:
I'm just glad that even though the state highways will cost more to de-ice, we have nice, new, shiny exit signs and mile markers, not to mention replacing all the dull, faded guard rails. Way to go!!!(Too bad some of that money couldn't have been passed on to counties for REAL safety needs.)
This is strange\stupid. A few years back I was in LA. The signs were so faded you could barely read them. But ours get replaced every 3 years it seems like.

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