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Oneal

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Jan 9, 2014
 
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You have to understand how Bob and the left see income inequality. If someone makes money, they took it from everyone else. The more the rich have, the less others have. Itís as if the economy is a pie thatís already on the table, waiting to be carved. The bigger the piece the rich take, the less thatís left for everyone else. The Progressives don't understand that entrepreneurs (rich) create things. They take risks. Innovation that makes life better for both the rich and poor. Even poor people today have access to cars, food, health care, entertainment and technology that rich people lusted for a few decades ago. Ninety percent of Americans living ďbelow the poverty lineĒ have smart phones, cable TV and cars. Seventy percent own two cars.
Progressives couldn't care less about the poor aside from the fact they're an easy target for vote-garnering, and a convenient distraction when another policy they've mangled becomes widely unpopular and they no longer want to talk about it.

Identical to black people and racism, the left has glommed onto a segment of our society's plight, hijacked it, lied about caring, and used it to gain great political power. What platform would the left have to work from if not for the poor and minority? Does anyone really believe this group of political radicals would honestly be working to eliminate the very things they need to remain relevant?

In the end, the progressives are up to their usual trick of changing the subject now that things have gone bad for Obamacare. This week it's "income inequality" and "Promise Zones". Next week it will be the wailing and gnashing of teeth over rampant racism. Of course nothing they've ever suggested or implemented has improved the lives of either the poor or the minority. As planned, it's simply a convenient tool for them to brandish when convenient.
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Jan 9, 2014
 
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It isn't the R's or C's that want to drive the American worker down to the level of the average third world worker. That's the goal of the D's/Liberals. They are the one's that want open borders so that all those Walmart workers have another 10,000,000 folks who will do those jobs for less. Wages are based on the skill level required of the job and the number of people who can do that job. How many people can stock shelves? 100 million. How many people have the skills to be a surgeon? Several thousands. So surgeons make a lot more.
If I want to hire someone and I'm willing to pay them $15 but 20 people come in, are willing to do the job, have the necessary skills and are willing to do it for $10 then they get paid $10. The only reason to pay the extra $5 is if I'm getting something more for my money.
You talk about business not paying a living wage. Not true. Every business pays employees a living wage IF they have the skills that is worthy of a living wage. "Unskilled labor" has always been around and it has never been paid a "living wage." People aren't paid just because. That is called charity and it is one of the other areas that D/L are horrible at. They would rather take $100 from me, keep $50 for themselves, pay various administrators another $50 and then borrow $10 to give to the unskilled person in exchange for their vote.
One last point. Wages move up, not down the ladder. If we suddenly made $15/hour the minimum wage, then those people who are now making twice minimum wage would get raises up to $30/hour ($60k/year). And those people making $60K would now be worth $120K and so forth. Eventually all goods and services would increase and things would be right where they are.
Getting a living wage is easy and if it isn't, there is a reason why the person isn't EARNING that level of pay.
"It isn't the R's or C's that want to drive the American worker down to the level of the average third world worker"

THAT...... Is the funniest thing I've read today, and perhaps the best ever!

We are now lead to believe that all of those venture capitalists that threw millions of dollars into Mitt the Mormon's campaign fund are closet Liberals.....

What a clueless fool you are!
Oneal

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Jan 9, 2014
 
Bob wrote:
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"It isn't the R's or C's that want to drive the American worker down to the level of the average third world worker"
THAT...... Is the funniest thing I've read today, and perhaps the best ever!
We are now lead to believe that all of those venture capitalists that threw millions of dollars into Mitt the Mormon's campaign fund are closet Liberals.....
What a clueless fool you are!
Who has benefitted the most from a large poor and needy segment of society? A venture capitalist or a liberal politician?

What use is a third world worker to a person who's interest is dealing with the growth and eventual sale of start up businesses? Is a poor and needy person going to serve any long-term purpose whatsoever to help the venturer reach his goal?

On the other hand, it's fairly obvious what use a poor and needy person is to someone who's looking to garner a reliable long-term vote.

I'll give you an example of who the clueless fools are, Bob:

Sheila Lee Jackson, the poster child for liberalism and career politicians, is back on the crazy train again suggesting we change the term 'Welfare' to 'Transitional Living Fund', because it just sounds so degrading for people to say they are on welfare.

On one hand you have people who want everyone to have a chance at being successful so they might contribute to society and realize personal success. On the other you have barking moonbats like Sheila Lee Jackson, and Useful Idiots like yourself who support her way of thinking, looking to make poverty and accepting handouts for extended lengths of time sound cooler.

Who's benefitted more from a poverty-stricken public? Capitalists or liberal politicians??

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Jan 9, 2014
 
Bob wrote:
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"It isn't the R's or C's that want to drive the American worker down to the level of the average third world worker"
THAT...... Is the funniest thing I've read today, and perhaps the best ever!
We are now lead to believe that all of those venture capitalists that threw millions of dollars into Mitt the Mormon's campaign fund are closet Liberals.....
What a clueless fool you are!
Those venture capitalists that threw millions of dollars into Mitt's campaign did so because he offered them the opportunity to invest in more start up businessess (which of course would have resulted in more people working), because that's what VC's do.

If VC's didn't give as much to Obama it was because they understood that Obama, Democrats and Liberals are against businesses, especially small ones that don't have enough employees to be unionized and thus contribute to the liberal coffers.
Bob

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Jan 11, 2014
 
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Who has benefitted the most from a large poor and needy segment of society? A venture capitalist or a liberal politician?
What use is a third world worker to a person who's interest is dealing with the growth and eventual sale of start up businesses? Is a poor and needy person going to serve any long-term purpose whatsoever to help the venturer reach his goal?
On the other hand, it's fairly obvious what use a poor and needy person is to someone who's looking to garner a reliable long-term vote.
I'll give you an example of who the clueless fools are, Bob:
Sheila Lee Jackson, the poster child for liberalism and career politicians, is back on the crazy train again suggesting we change the term 'Welfare' to 'Transitional Living Fund', because it just sounds so degrading for people to say they are on welfare.
On one hand you have people who want everyone to have a chance at being successful so they might contribute to society and realize personal success. On the other you have barking moonbats like Sheila Lee Jackson, and Useful Idiots like yourself who support her way of thinking, looking to make poverty and accepting handouts for extended lengths of time sound cooler.
Who's benefitted more from a poverty-stricken public? Capitalists or liberal politicians??
While it is true that the Democrats probably benefit more from an impoverished majority, you fail to understand that those that make up the majority work for a variety of capitalists.......

Every time a venture capitalist purchases an existing business, they push more of it's employees to the left. The VC buys the business, demands wage concessions from the workers, takes away pensions and other benefits these employees have had for years, the VC's have taught these workers that so called successful capitalism requires them to become less successful.

If you don't want to look like a complete idiot, then you would have provided proof of conservative efforts that would either protect those worker's in the middle class, or give others a pathway to it.

I don't think that's possible.

Here's a hint..... If you decide to reply, bragging about such measures as Right-to-Work won't work, Trying to show how workers in the conservative south building foreign owned cars for $9 per/hour doesn't make sense either. And I wouldn't suggest bringing up your latest presidential choice telling his VC buddies that he doesn't care about the bottom 47%....
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One more progressive cry of "it's not fair!". I continue to wonder how these progressive elitists justify their "it's not fair" cry with their multi millions they have and continue to make and use? The biggest fallacy here folks is that only Conservatives are venture capitalists and only Conservatives are "destroying the middle class". One look at the current administration's policies would actually reveal the damage the administration has done to the middle class and wages. Of course, the numbers that others see apparently can't be seen through the rose colored progressive glasses.
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Bob wrote:
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While it is true that the Democrats probably benefit more from an impoverished majority, you fail to understand that those that make up the majority work for a variety of capitalists.......
Every time a venture capitalist purchases an existing business, they push more of it's employees to the left. The VC buys the business, demands wage concessions from the workers, takes away pensions and other benefits these employees have had for years, the VC's have taught these workers that so called successful capitalism requires them to become less successful.
If you don't want to look like a complete idiot, then you would have provided proof of conservative efforts that would either protect those worker's in the middle class, or give others a pathway to it.
I don't think that's possible.
Here's a hint..... If you decide to reply, bragging about such measures as Right-to-Work won't work, Trying to show how workers in the conservative south building foreign owned cars for $9 per/hour doesn't make sense either. And I wouldn't suggest bringing up your latest presidential choice telling his VC buddies that he doesn't care about the bottom 47%....
Time to throw your comic books from CMU out Bobbie...... You will never find work with that teaching.......
Oneal

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While it is true that the Democrats probably benefit more from an impoverished majority, you fail to understand that those that make up the majority work for a variety of capitalists........
Get one thing clear, troll, the republicans are not responsible for coming up with a solution to yet another ridiculous tantrum the left has manufactured to garner votes and spin the subject away from their own failures just because the Regressives see it as an opportunity to demonize their enemy.

Help the poor? Why not demand the republicans find a cure for death, lest they be deemed haters of humanity? Why not demand the republicans come up with a solution that creates perfect equality among all humans lest the republicans be deemed elitists?

What will help the "poor"? The same thing that has always helped the poor. JOBS!

The left has made a fun game of claiming if the republicans don't create some government solution to life's problems they don't deserve to be elected, all the while promoting policies that wind up resulting in the exact opposite of their stated intent.

You're not going to create jobs by extending unemployment, printing money like it's Skittles or playing poor people like political pawns in oder to win then next election. If Obama and the Regressives were truly interested in helping the poor improve their status they'd have been focused on jobs and the economy all along. They'd have worked to bring jobs back to our shores and increase manufacturing.

Instead, what did the Regressives do?? They created a convenient RED HOT sky is falling catastrophe in health care in order to win an election, which has resulted in exactly nothing but a chilling effect on jobs and more uninsured people than it's added.

The Regressiveís stimulus polices and endorsements of the Fedís expansionist policies are guaranteed to stir inflation, which only devalues the dollar and transfers wealth from savers to borrowers. Inflation will mostly hurt the poor whose incomes will not keep up with increases in rent, utilities, and food prices. Retirees will also suffer as their savings, unless invested in specific assets, will not grow at the pace of their living expenses.

The Regressives continue their failed policies by trying to save failed mortgages. They are trying to keep middle class people in the homes that many of them should not have bought in the first place, but foreclosed houses are eventually occupied by someone, so the Regressiveís policy does not increase home ownership in any way. Instead, Obama is chilling the market incentive for banks to make new loans for fear that their loss backstop, foreclosure, will not be available. Obama is temporarily propping up home prices with mortgage rescues and tax credits as well.

I can keep going, Bob. Regressive wage and labor policies, new finance laws, green economy policies, etc, etc ... all government stepping it's clumsy boot on the free market system.

Government intervention is not the answer to the poors' plight, which makes the Regressive's latest attempt to demand Republicans offer government solutions just another political theater tactic in order to distract from Obama's failures and set up the next election.
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Jan 12, 2014
 
Ouch...... Internet tough boy called me a troll......

If you decide to keep going, why don't you take the time to explain why you conservative idiots can't make it into the White House.

Conservatives are mentally ill!
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Jan 12, 2014
 
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Ouch...... Internet tough boy called me a troll......
If you decide to keep going, why don't you take the time to explain why you conservative idiots can't make it into the White House.
Conservatives are mentally ill!
Is that the best you got? CMU grads are not very articulated it appears......
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Jan 12, 2014
 
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Is that the best you got? CMU grads are not very articulated it appears......
How's that new republican president working out for you....... Oops, Never Mind!
The One Percent

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Jan 12, 2014
 
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How's that new republican president working out for you....... Oops, Never Mind!
How's that income inequality working out for you, Jose .... Oops, Never Mind!
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Jan 13, 2014
 
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How's that income inequality working out for you, Jose .... Oops, Never Mind!
It's not working for the vast majority Dingbat...... Including you!

What you idiots don't understand is that your worship of the 1% is simply minded foolishness.

This country didn't grow into the economic powerhouse it once was by the few at the top of the pile. It got there by all of those who made a decent living wage that could afford to purchase the things that defined a middle class lifestyle. For the last thirty or so years, we've been on a downhill slide where the buying power of the average worker has lost ground so that those on the top can become even richer than they were.

The only question now is when you patriots wake up and realize that the American dream isn't being able to get a second cheap Chinese gizmo free so long as you pay the extra shipping and handling. When the middle class can afford a home of their own that isn't on wheels, and the wheels they drive don't have to be leased, when the majority can afford to invest more into economy by purchasing American built products, then we can return to the real American dream.

The only thing the TV Hypesters haven't told you, is that buying their foreign crap is the real Cash in the Trash!

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Ouch...... Internet tough boy called me a troll......
If you decide to keep going, why don't you take the time to explain why you conservative idiots can't make it into the White House.
Conservatives are mentally ill!
Prior to Obama, Bush was in President for 8 years. Since 1980, there have been 3 Republican Presidents holding office for 20 years, and 2 Democrat Presidents holding office for 14 years.

Since 1970, R=5 Presidents and 28 years. D=3 Presidents and 18 years.

We have to go all the way back to Truman for the D's to have as many Presidents and been in office for as long as the R's.

Seems like it is the D's that have trouble getting to the White House. And given the R's hold more governorships, more state legislators, control more counties and less than 1/4 of the population considers themselves liberals, that trend doesn't seem like it is going to shift any time soon.

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Jan 13, 2014
 
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It's not working for the vast majority Dingbat...... Including you!
What you idiots don't understand is that your worship of the 1% is simply minded foolishness.
This country didn't grow into the economic powerhouse it once was by the few at the top of the pile. It got there by all of those who made a decent living wage that could afford to purchase the things that defined a middle class lifestyle. For the last thirty or so years, we've been on a downhill slide where the buying power of the average worker has lost ground so that those on the top can become even richer than they were.
The only question now is when you patriots wake up and realize that the American dream isn't being able to get a second cheap Chinese gizmo free so long as you pay the extra shipping and handling. When the middle class can afford a home of their own that isn't on wheels, and the wheels they drive don't have to be leased, when the majority can afford to invest more into economy by purchasing American built products, then we can return to the real American dream.
The only thing the TV Hypesters haven't told you, is that buying their foreign crap is the real Cash in the Trash!
Actually Bob, it is working for the majority. You act as if we were still in the 1700's as far as only certain families or titled nobility makes up those in the upper income groups. Income mobility is highly transient. According to the Treasury Dept. almost 2/3 of those in the top 1% will have dropped out of that group within 10 years. And for the very top (Top 0.01%) 75% of them had dropped out of that group within 10 years.

At the other end of the scale, over 60% of those in the bottom group had moved up and out of that group within 10 years.

As we've discussed before, over the span of their life, most people move up and down. The percent of households that stay within the same group (rich or poor) over a long span is generally in the single digits. And if you look at the lists of the very rich, most of them didn't start off with mulitple generations of wealth. Look at Richard DeVos. He's worth billions but his grandfather didn't give him millions to start. And look at famous families like the Kennedy clan. They aren't at the top of the list (not even sure they are on it).

So yes, contrary to the lies the left and media like to spew, income mobility (until Obama) was alive and well.
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Jan 13, 2014
 
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It's not working for the vast majority!
That would be you idiot's that voted Obama in for a second term, even though during his first term you were unable to find a job!
LOL!!!,
Get a job, and move out!
Get your free phone yet?
HaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaa
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Jan 13, 2014
 
Maybe Obama will make the taxpayers pay for our condoms, after all, we are entitled to taxpayer subsidies for our lifestyle. Not funding us would be bigotry and discrimination!!!
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Jan 14, 2014
 
Bobs rest stop gay lover wrote:
Maybe Obama will make the taxpayers pay for our condoms, after all, we are entitled to taxpayer subsidies for our lifestyle. Not funding us would be bigotry and discrimination!!!
Obamacare promised me they would pay for post-birth abortions, but Bob is still here,.... more proof of Obama's lies!
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Jan 14, 2014
 
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<quoted text>Obamacare promised me they would pay for post-birth abortions, but Bob is still here,.... more proof of Obama's lies!
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Jan 16, 2014
 
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