Obama hypocrisy - Immigration fiat
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#61 Jun 22, 2012
..What life?.....
Diggs

Grand Rapids, MI

#62 Jun 23, 2012
Steelie wrote:
<quoted text>
Good Day,
Did you see the report that stated each so called "green job" cost upwards of $9.8 million a piece!
Steelie
And with the Obama admn. reclassifying green jobs to include more careers so it looks like he's kept a campaign promise to his enviro-bloc, pretty soon a CO2-emitting NY city bus driver will be declared a "green job" - that's a lot of $9.8 millions :)

When liberals are faced with a failed reality, they don't consider changing their process, they just change reality in their mind.

Obama's green job promises have flopped, so reclassify the definition of "green jobs" to include more "not-so-green-jobs", then brag about creating lots of green jobs. LOL ... isn't liberalism wonderful??
Diggs

Grand Rapids, MI

#63 Jun 23, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
..What life?.....
The best you can come up with anymore is smart-ass insults when serious national topics are being debated, and you're questioning someone else's life?

... speaking of needing a reality-check.
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#64 Jun 23, 2012
Diggs wrote:
<quoted text>
The best you can come up with anymore is smart-ass insults when serious national topics are being debated, and you're questioning someone else's life?
... speaking of needing a reality-check.
I actually have real debates with many on the national forum.....often what i find here, is if you don't agree, in lockstep, that Obama is the devil and actually wants to destroy the country....then your a libtard, communist, marxist, etc......there isn't any room for more than one opinion....i know Michigan has been through a rough time, but i'm not sure the rest of the country see'e everything so oneway....

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#65 Jun 23, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text>I actually have real debates with many on the national forum.....often what i find here, is if you don't agree, in lockstep, that Obama is the devil and actually wants to destroy the country....then your a libtard, communist, marxist, etc......there isn't any room for more than one opinion....i know Michigan has been through a rough time, but i'm not sure the rest of the country see'e everything so oneway....
Good Day,

In all seriousness, let me ask you this Blue... When this president has stated that he intends to "fundementaly change" the country, what else are we to expect of him? When he has stated that his energy policies will, and I quote, make the cost of energy "necessarily skyrocket", what else are we to think?(Can you afford your electric bill increasing by as much as 800% by 2015?) When his policies have have significantly increased the number of those reliant on a government handout how are we to define him? When he has wasted billions on failed green energy projects yet stands in the way of that which works (oil and coal) due to his own ideology, how is he for the people? When he (currently) is standing in the way of extending the Bush tax cuts, which could result in a massive tax increase, how is he for the "middle class"?(If the Bush tax cuts are not extendsed, the average middle class family could see their federal tax burden skyrocket by as much as $4,000.) The evidence is clear, he is what he is.

Steelie
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#66 Jun 23, 2012
Steelie wrote:
<quoted text>
Good Day,
In all seriousness, let me ask you this Blue... When this president has stated that he intends to "fundementaly change" the country, what else are we to expect of him? When he has stated that his energy policies will, and I quote, make the cost of energy "necessarily skyrocket", what else are we to think?(Can you afford your electric bill increasing by as much as 800% by 2015?) When his policies have have significantly increased the number of those reliant on a government handout how are we to define him? When he has wasted billions on failed green energy projects yet stands in the way of that which works (oil and coal) due to his own ideology, how is he for the people? When he (currently) is standing in the way of extending the Bush tax cuts, which could result in a massive tax increase, how is he for the "middle class"?(If the Bush tax cuts are not extendsed, the average middle class family could see their federal tax burden skyrocket by as much as $4,000.) The evidence is clear, he is what he is.
Steelie
Steelie, to be honest, my electric bills are fine, which is rare since we have two huge central AC units running 24/7 for seven months, yearly.......The evidence as i see it is, in the 2008 election, the majority of americans spoke loud and clear, as to whose programs were preferred......yet, the republicans, rather than embrace the desires and needs of the people's mandate, especially in such an economic storm, decided it was in the countrys best interest to try to block and stall, virtually every piece of legislation presented by this administration, to refuse to comprimise for the good of the republic. Steelie, if you were one of the voters that voted for Obama, and felt good about his mission, what would you think?.....i have told you before, i always voted republican, up until 2008. I don't even recognize that party anymore.....
Blues Brothers

Lansing, MI

#67 Jun 23, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text>......yet, the republicans, rather than embrace the desires and needs of the people's mandate, especially in such an economic storm, decided it was in the countrys best interest to try to block and stall, virtually every piece of legislation presented by this administration, to refuse to comprimise for the good of the republic..
LOL!!! thats rich!
There are some 450 bills that have been passed by the House, just sitting in the Senate.
Keep on blaming the republicans for your own party's failures.
Maybe you should be asking Harry Reid what he is up to, and why he is not even bringing up any legislation passed by the House into consideration in the Senate?
Diggs

Grand Rapids, MI

#68 Jun 23, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text>I actually have real debates with many on the national forum.....often what i find here, is if you don't agree, in lockstep, that Obama is the devil and actually wants to destroy the country....then your a libtard, communist, marxist, etc......there isn't any room for more than one opinion....i know Michigan has been through a rough time, but i'm not sure the rest of the country see'e everything so oneway....
You yourself are guilty of accusing those of us who don't fall in lockstep with Obama's policies as being racist, and you know it. So you'll need to do better than channelling your inner-Obama and blaming others for what you yourself are guilty.
The mid-term election in 2010 was also a loud and clear message that Michigan isn't the only state suffering, and is not convinced progressivism/Obama is taking us in the right direction.
The Wisconsin recall debacle is yet another indicator that you may be slightly over-confident in assuming Michigan is out-of-touch.
The fact Romney is neck-and-neck with Obama in most polls is still another argument that you should probably begin to take seriously,

If your electric bill is all the proof you have that Obama is the right man for the job in 2012, then you've a pretty empty argument indeed.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#69 Jun 23, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
often what i find here, is if you don't agree, in lockstep, that Obama is the devil and actually wants to destroy the country....then your a libtard, communist, marxist, etc......there isn't any room for more than one opinion
LOL..I don't know how you can read the posts here from your fellow progressives and say that with a straight face.
Take this oh-so-tolerant and kind post from St. Stephen recently:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grand-rapids-...
or maybe this one from Ginger: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grand-rapids-...
I've seen more than a few from you as well.
Now what was that you were saying about conservatives calling people names?
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#70 Jun 23, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
The evidence as i see it is, in the 2008 election, the majority of americans spoke loud and clear, as to whose programs were preferred......yet, the republicans, rather than embrace the desires and needs of the people's mandate, especially in such an economic storm, decided it was in the countrys best interest to try to block and stall, virtually every piece of legislation presented by this administration
Yeah...this administration is oh-so sensitive to the people's mandates. Obamacare ring a bell? Even though the majority said LOUD AND CLEAR on every poll said they were against it, this admin rammed it up their butts without so much as a kiss and told them they better enjoy it. And you want us to believe they actually care what 'the people' think? Wow...just....wow.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#71 Jun 23, 2012
Good Day,

Blue, it looks like the others beat me to the punch... but they are right.

Steelie
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#72 Jun 24, 2012
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
Blue, it looks like the others beat me to the punch... but they are right.
Steelie
Yeah, problem is, they are always deemed right...no room for other opinions.....it's okay....i still believe Romney is no upgrade from Obama, and that the current republican party is a disgrace, from what it once was....i also believe, Obama has led us into a slow recovery, though much depends on europe.....i believe, the republicans and some here, actually root againest the country's recovery, just to be partisan.....
Ben Upton

Johnson City, TN

#73 Jun 24, 2012
Right winged , church people voters have been suckered in by the propaganda of FOX NEWS and have ruined the greatest nation that ever was. Hooked by gay marraige and abortion, they have put politicians in that are totally owned by a machine hell bent on ending democracy and ruling via money and Satan, just like the bible says. Apparently they never read it. Romney, a cultist, will steal the election and then the final nail on America will be driven. Abortion and gay marraige will be the least of church peoples concerns in 5 years. Where to get food will be. FUCK THE RIECHT WING.
Kate Upton

Lansing, MI

#74 Jun 24, 2012
Ben Upton wrote:
Right winged , church people voters have been suckered in by the propaganda of FOX NEWS and have ruined the greatest nation that ever was. Hooked by gay marraige and abortion, they have put politicians in that are totally owned by a machine hell bent on ending democracy and ruling via money and Satan, just like the bible says. Apparently they never read it. Romney, a cultist, will steal the election and then the final nail on America will be driven. Abortion and gay marraige will be the least of church peoples concerns in 5 years. Where to get food will be. FUCK THE RIECHT WING.
Bite it!
&fe ature=results_video&playne xt=1&list=PL6E6FB37CBADFE1 DD
Really

Holland, MI

#75 Jun 24, 2012
Ben Upton wrote:
Right winged , church people voters have been suckered in by the propaganda of FOX NEWS and have ruined the greatest nation that ever was. Hooked by gay marraige and abortion, they have put politicians in that are totally owned by a machine hell bent on ending democracy and ruling via money and Satan, just like the bible says. Apparently they never read it. Romney, a cultist, will steal the election and then the final nail on America will be driven. Abortion and gay marraige will be the least of church peoples concerns in 5 years. Where to get food will be. FUCK THE RIECHT WING.
And you buying into the fear/the sky is falling/Obama is much better thought process shows just where you stand. And if you are so worried about what the bible says, perhaps your vocabulary could use an upgrade or at the very least, a little more maturity?
Really

Holland, MI

#76 Jun 24, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, problem is, they are always deemed right...no room for other opinions.....it's okay....i still believe Romney is no upgrade from Obama, and that the current republican party is a disgrace, from what it once was....i also believe, Obama has led us into a slow recovery, though much depends on europe.....i believe, the republicans and some here, actually root againest the country's recovery, just to be partisan.....
If you would express your opinion without name calling/ridiculing, perhaps your opinion would be read. You just told me you don't care what my opinion is and I should feel bad because you feel picked on? Perhaps you would be best served to stay on the national forums where you can find people who think like you more often and then you don't have to articulate why you think the way you do, other than blaming Bush, Republicans and Fox News for all the ills of the country.
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#77 Jun 24, 2012
Yeah, i'm the name calling one....LOLOLOLOL....
Really

Holland, MI

#78 Jun 24, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
Yeah, i'm the name calling one....LOLOLOLOL....
I didn't call you a name other than "testy one" and that was after you used profanity because that is what you do when you are frustrated. You also were rude, but I guess because you are in favor of Obama and the left, that is allowed but no one else may do that. Perhaps you would just be happier on the national forums after all.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#79 Jun 24, 2012
Go Blue wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, problem is, they are always deemed right...no room for other opinions.....it's okay....i still believe Romney is no upgrade from Obama, and that the current republican party is a disgrace, from what it once was....i also believe, Obama has led us into a slow recovery, though much depends on europe.....i believe, the republicans and some here, actually root againest the country's recovery, just to be partisan.....
Good Day,

I don't have a problem with disenting opinion. It is what makes our country great - that we have the right and ability to engage in such discussion s that in many countries could see you jailed, or worse.

During the primary season I think I made it quite clear I was not big on Romney, but now that he is the presumtive nomine...(Much like I wasn't happy with the choice of McCain...)

So, should the Republican party go back to the days of Reagan? No problem here if that occured.

Europe will have an effect on our economy. But... we can visibly see how many of Obama's policies have not helped but in fact made matters worse. And it isn't simply about being "partisan". If that were the case then it would be fair to ask why the Senate is blocking virtually every bill coming out of the House. Remember what Harry Reid said about House bills being DOA when they get to the Senate. So it begs the question of who is the real obstructionist here.

Steelie
Go Blue

Miami, FL

#80 Jun 25, 2012
Steelie, I alway's thought, a bill cleared the Senate by a simple majority, but now it seems, you must have 60....is that an accepted policy or unwritten rule?.....Also, do you think factions like the influence of Fox or Grover Norquist, has had a negative effect on the nature of the republican party? Or the party concept as a whole?...

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