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Feb 3, 2013
 
I am going to reiterate the stance I have had on this all along.
The President of the United States DOES NOT and CAN NOT create jobs. For the main reason there is no Constitutional provision for it.

And also again, as long as there are those oh so willing to blame Obama for job losses it only stands to reason President Bush must be blamed for the initial hemorrhaging of jobs, business failures and business exports. Just as Obama has been blamed for them.

Additionally, as there are those who lean on it's businesses that are and should be the suppliers of jobs, it MUST lay on their shoulders for the lack of employment and even employment variances.

Skipping the rest of the nuances much of it goes back to the Dodge v. Ford ruling in, I believe it was, the 1930s....in corporate terms.
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Feb 3, 2013
 
IF, as SIB is maintaining, the President of the United States cannot create jobs, then the other side of the coin is true as well...the President of the United States cannot LOSE jobs. So, following that pathway, neither GW NOR Obama have lost jobs. See how easy that was?

I would be so impressed if every time someone has a complaint about Obama's policies, someone wouldn't say "but GW did......". I can't count the number of times we hear, "you can't use they did it first" from the left and then they do it themselves, which of course, is okay. Another reason to not be a progessive/democrat...I can't stand whining.
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Feb 3, 2013
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
I am going to reiterate the stance I have had on this all along.
The President of the United States DOES NOT and CAN NOT create jobs. For the main reason there is no Constitutional provision for it.
And also again, as long as there are those oh so willing to blame Obama for job losses it only stands to reason President Bush must be blamed for the initial hemorrhaging of jobs, business failures and business exports. Just as Obama has been blamed for them.
Additionally, as there are those who lean on it's businesses that are and should be the suppliers of jobs, it MUST lay on their shoulders for the lack of employment and even employment variances.
Skipping the rest of the nuances much of it goes back to the Dodge v. Ford ruling in, I believe it was, the 1930s....in corporate terms.
Is there a business you won't blame for something? Who in the heck employed you, IF you were ever employed that is. I am personally thrilled that you are not in public office. It would be so darn depressing to listen to you whine about business all the time.

Still insisting on the the literal Constitution when it suits you I see.
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Feb 3, 2013
 
Really wrote:
IF, as SIB is maintaining, the President of the United States cannot create jobs, then the other side of the coin is true as well...the President of the United States cannot LOSE jobs. So, following that pathway, neither GW NOR Obama have lost jobs. See how easy that was?
I would be so impressed if every time someone has a complaint about Obama's policies, someone wouldn't say "but GW did......". I can't count the number of times we hear, "you can't use they did it first" from the left and then they do it themselves, which of course, is okay. Another reason to not be a progessive/democrat...I can't stand whining.
Now you're getting it. Even if it took you needing to find a way to turn it against me personally. At least you're catching on. There still is hope you can extend that out out to better critical thinking.

If you can't stand whining then you must go into dizzying fits when it you doing the whining.
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Feb 3, 2013
 
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Is there a business you won't blame for something? Who in the heck employed you, IF you were ever employed that is. I am personally thrilled that you are not in public office. It would be so darn depressing to listen to you whine about business all the time.
Still insisting on the the literal Constitution when it suits you I see.
So now that we've established that the President of the United States can not create nor eliminate jobs where do you think the employment and unemployment comes from?

Maybe some time it will sink in that I am not against business and am in absolute resistance to bad business practices. Maybe, just maybe there will come a time that you realize bad business practices are not acceptable because there are profits being made.

I'm sorry? Here all this time you have been making all manner of assumptions how I have been employed, and now you're questioning if I've ever been employed?

Literal Constitution? You show me where in the Constitution there is any measure to assure and/or protect business. Other than the press. Absence of it pretty much eliminates any ambiguity.
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Feb 3, 2013
 
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So now that we've established that the President of the United States can not create nor eliminate jobs where do you think the employment and unemployment comes from?
Maybe some time it will sink in that I am not against business and am in absolute resistance to bad business practices. Maybe, just maybe there will come a time that you realize bad business practices are not acceptable because there are profits being made.
I'm sorry? Here all this time you have been making all manner of assumptions how I have been employed, and now you're questioning if I've ever been employed?
Literal Constitution? You show me where in the Constitution there is any measure to assure and/or protect business. Other than the press. Absence of it pretty much eliminates any ambiguity.
Surprisingly, I am against poor business practices as well as unethical business practices. I am also against hiring tax cheats for treasury and any other administration offices, but that was okay with the left.

I haven't "assumed" your employment...your inferences were not hard to follow, unless of course, you were trying to make yourself look more important?

So, tell me where in the Constitution is says abortion is a right? Since you are so fond of the literal Constitution, I need to look it up in my book, so a reference would be truly appreciated. Thanks!
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Surprisingly, I am against poor business practices as well as unethical business practices. I am also against hiring tax cheats for treasury and any other administration offices, but that was okay with the left.
I haven't "assumed" your employment...your inferences were not hard to follow, unless of course, you were trying to make yourself look more important?
So, tell me where in the Constitution is says abortion is a right? Since you are so fond of the literal Constitution, I need to look it up in my book, so a reference would be truly appreciated. Thanks!
Unfortunately you have been in lockstep with this notion that for one to be educated and well informed they must be a "professional" that field or fields. I will not inform you of my true income sources but hope you will come to understand that it's not necessarily the "professionals" that are educated and/or well informed. I have run into many in my life and experience that the only reason they could be called a professional was because they made their income from what they were doing for it. That did not necessarily make them any good at what they were doing. And that also didn't mean they didn't last in that "profession". There are many many that never make it to the level the word professional implies.

And yes any person qualified in a "profession" can be a professor without being a tenured professor at every higher institution of learning I am aware of.

AGAIN, the Roe v Wade ruling NEVER made abortion "legal". And it didn't make it illegal. It didn't make it legal or illegal under the Constitution. The ruling was that abortion was not unconstitutional. In simple words abortion is not in violation in the constitution.

Ya know that little thing that made the "legality" of abortion up to the individual states and local communities. And as you may have noticed NO state had passed a law making it illegal.

I can not tell you where to find something that simply isn't there. When are you going to come to understand that? But then you believe business/corporations other than the press were protected under the Constitution. And that simply is a fallacy. Until the conservative 5 Justices violated the Constitutional Separation of Powers and "legislated" via ruling businesses are persons and money is speech.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
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It would seem there has been an error. During Bush there were more jobs lost than recovered. During Obama close to a dead-heat between jobs lost and subsequently recovered. During Bush there was a 856,000 jobs deficit, while during Obama a 261,000 jobs deficit. To my math that exceeds just over 1/2Million jobs against Bush.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/news/economy/...
And in the chart linked Obama still regained more jobs in his first year in office than Bush lost in his eight years.
http://zfacts.com/node/336
As with here
http://www.futuresmag.com/2012/09/06/obama-vs...
Obama inherited a bad economy, nobody argues that and whose to blame is another discussion, but it is an defining reason Obama's numbers look better than Bush. When you start at a low point in the economy it's pretty easy to have large gains.

So you think the recovery has been great, I would suggest you get your head out of the sand.

first 37 months of the Obama recovery — the U.S. economy has generated 2.7 million net new jobs. From the jobs low point in February 2010, the U.S. economy has generated 4 million net new jobs.
first 37 months of the Reagan recovery — the U.S.created 9.8 million net new jobs. And if you adjust for the larger U.S. population today, the comparable figure is more than 12 million jobs.

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/08/sorry-stepha...
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Feb 4, 2013
 
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"Left the workforce"? or lost their jobs? It does make a difference.
The former indicates as long as Obama is president they just refused to go to work any more. The latter indicating the employers they worked for let them go...likely against their will.
I'm thinking you meant lost their jobs.
Quoting Hillary..... You don't care about the American family who continues to struggle once out of a profession......
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Feb 4, 2013
 
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Unfortunately you have been in lockstep with this notion that for one to be educated and well informed they must be a "professional" that field or fields. I will not inform you of my true income sources but hope you will come to understand that it's not necessarily the "professionals" that are educated and/or well informed. I have run into many in my life and experience that the only reason they could be called a professional was because they made their income from what they were doing for it. That did not necessarily make them any good at what they were doing. And that also didn't mean they didn't last in that "profession". There are many many that never make it to the level the word professional implies.
And yes any person qualified in a "profession" can be a professor without being a tenured professor at every higher institution of learning I am aware of.
AGAIN, the Roe v Wade ruling NEVER made abortion "legal". And it didn't make it illegal. It didn't make it legal or illegal under the Constitution. The ruling was that abortion was not unconstitutional. In simple words abortion is not in violation in the constitution.
Ya know that little thing that made the "legality" of abortion up to the individual states and local communities. And as you may have noticed NO state had passed a law making it illegal.
I can not tell you where to find something that simply isn't there. When are you going to come to understand that? But then you believe business/corporations other than the press were protected under the Constitution. And that simply is a fallacy. Until the conservative 5 Justices violated the Constitutional Separation of Powers and "legislated" via ruling businesses are persons and money is speech.
See, that's another of your arrogant thought processes. I don't give a tinker's damn what you did for a living, do for a living, or how you got your money or where you received it from. Frankly, none of my business. And I knew you couldn't tell me because it isn't there. The same applies to the ruling on corporate donations, but since you don't like that ruling, you think it's incorrect. And states have tried to make abortion illegal but they haven't managed it quite yet. They are still trying. Unfortunately, I would hate to see abortion be illegal again because I remember the back alley quacks and the way they performed them before. I would, however, like to see some constraints on abortions, but I also believe that is entirely up to the states.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
Chip wrote:
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Obama inherited a bad economy, nobody argues that and whose to blame is another discussion, but it is an defining reason Obama's numbers look better than Bush. When you start at a low point in the economy it's pretty easy to have large gains.
So you think the recovery has been great, I would suggest you get your head out of the sand.
first 37 months of the Obama recovery — the U.S. economy has generated 2.7 million net new jobs. From the jobs low point in February 2010, the U.S. economy has generated 4 million net new jobs.
first 37 months of the Reagan recovery — the U.S.created 9.8 million net new jobs. And if you adjust for the larger U.S. population today, the comparable figure is more than 12 million jobs.
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/08/sorry-stepha...
I never said the recovery has been great.

I've already voiced my displeasure on how Obama has handled it and I won't bother myself to repeat it again.
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Feb 4, 2013
 
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<quoted text>See, that's another of your arrogant thought processes. I don't give a tinker's damn what you did for a living, do for a living, or how you got your money or where you received it from. Frankly, none of my business. And I knew you couldn't tell me because it isn't there. The same applies to the ruling on corporate donations, but since you don't like that ruling, you think it's incorrect. And states have tried to make abortion illegal but they haven't managed it quite yet. They are still trying. Unfortunately, I would hate to see abortion be illegal again because I remember the back alley quacks and the way they performed them before. I would, however, like to see some constraints on abortions, but I also believe that is entirely up to the states.
Do you have any rational idea why I don't like the ruling making corporations persons and money speech? Because they made bribery legal. Yes, bribery is now Constitutional.
bribe (brIb)

noun
Something, such as money, offered or given to induce or influence a person to act dishonestly.

verb: bribed, brib·ing, bribes.
1. To give, offer, or promise a bribe to.
2. To gain influence over or corrupt by means of a bribe.

And it is Constitutional to what was prior by law fictional entities. Business(es)/corporation(s) are fictitious entities. Now by that ruling they are persons. As much legally a person as you are. And they have more valid speech than you do because they have more money than, I'll bet, you.

That that does not incense more people is unconscionable. And it would make the Founding Fathers throw up their arms and turn away in utter disgust for all they had fought and died for.

And to me?...personally? it dishonors every soldier that fought and died for the over-throw of all tyranny.
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Feb 5, 2013
 
SeenItBefore wrote:
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Do you have any rational idea why I don't like the ruling making corporations persons and money speech? Because they made bribery legal. Yes, bribery is now Constitutional.
bribe (brIb)
noun
Something, such as money, offered or given to induce or influence a person to act dishonestly.
verb: bribed, brib·ing, bribes.
1. To give, offer, or promise a bribe to.
2. To gain influence over or corrupt by means of a bribe.
And it is Constitutional to what was prior by law fictional entities. Business(es)/corporation(s) are fictitious entities. Now by that ruling they are persons. As much legally a person as you are. And they have more valid speech than you do because they have more money than, I'll bet, you.
That that does not incense more people is unconscionable. And it would make the Founding Fathers throw up their arms and turn away in utter disgust for all they had fought and died for.
And to me?...personally? it dishonors every soldier that fought and died for the over-throw of all tyranny.
So you don't care that they made Abortion constitutional with their ruling? As for your throwing soldiers in the equation, sorry, I support the troops all time, not just when it is convenient to throw in the argument. Once again, trying to make me upset because someone has more than me? You just never quit do you.
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Feb 5, 2013
 
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<quoted text>So you don't care that they made Abortion constitutional with their ruling? As for your throwing soldiers in the equation, sorry, I support the troops all time, not just when it is convenient to throw in the argument. Once again, trying to make me upset because someone has more than me? You just never quit do you.
Seriously, you got that out of what I said?

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Feb 5, 2013
 
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"Left the workforce"? or lost their jobs? It does make a difference.
The former indicates as long as Obama is president they just refused to go to work any more. The latter indicating the employers they worked for let them go...likely against their will.
I'm thinking you meant lost their jobs.
Good Day,

Left the workforce. Do to an poor economy these people are the long term unemployed who have stopped looking for work, hence, left the workforce. That said, in all fairness, a small portion of these people have... gone back to school (assuming they can afford to), retired early, and in some cases applied for an given Social Security Disability payments for example.

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