Unemployment At 7%, but ...
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#42 Dec 11, 2013
free thinker wrote:
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Don't you find it a bit odd that while the media is portraying the economy as all roses, rainbows and pretty white unicorns, the workforce participation rate really hasn't changed much and remains at the lowest point in decades? http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/12/the-shr...
Those unemployment numbers that everyone is trumpeting as 'wonderful news', BTW, are based on those who are drawing unemployment. It doesn't take into account those who are underemployed (found a part time job) or have simply fallen off the unemployment rolls altogether.
Agreed. I never said the announcement wasn't good news, but I'm just not ready to light the cigar and pretend we're back - for the very reasons you just listed, and those I listed previously. If the topix liberal goofball glee club wants to throw tantrums about that, good!

In the end there's a good reason why we're talking about the "recovery" right now and it's not great improvements. It's all about taking the heat off Obamacare and giving Obama something to grasp on to as he plunges toward Bush-level approval ratings he's deservedly earning as he and the dems get their asses whipped by their own mismanaged business venture fiasco.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#43 Dec 11, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Do you actually feel, that their is a media bias in presenting accurate economic news?
What's accurate about ignoring the fact that a large percentage of the population is underemployed or unemployed and instead saying that unemployment is improving? What's accurate about sweeping under the rug the record numbers of families living on food stamps and bridge cards (yeah, that's a REAL good economy we've got going there)? All these jobs they're talking about and people can't put food on the table without the government's help. I don't call that improvement.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#45 Dec 12, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>You will never be in an upper management position....... Ding! Fries are ready.......
In other words......

That I won't beg, bribe, or cajole the government to give me special treatment? That I won't take advantage of my employees? That I would refuse to allow my workers the same right to organize that I enjoy with the Chamber of Commerce or NFIB?

Then you may be right!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#46 Dec 12, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>You hear of the CRA that the govt made it mandatory to give loans to people who could not pay it back..... Once again govt involvement destroyed the housing market which destroyed the banks and made loans to business nearly impossible.;.... No wonder companies are keeping their cash safe..... Washington DC would steal it to give to full time career entitlement workers...... That is what the progressive lunatic bloggers want......
How much did the banks you adore get fined for their part in gambling with other people's money? Who sold bad loans to investors when they knew they were junk to begin with?

How many people lost their homes because the company they worked for was taken over by a private equity firm that either demanded severe pay cuts or moved jobs overseas?

You need to face reality at some point....
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Highland, MI

#47 Dec 12, 2013
Bob wrote:
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How much did the banks you adore get fined for their part in gambling with other people's money? Who sold bad loans to investors when they knew they were junk to begin with?
How many people lost their homes because the company they worked for was taken over by a private equity firm that either demanded severe pay cuts or moved jobs overseas?
You need to face reality at some point....
Oh, I have faced reality..... It makes the company stronger so they can grow to ensure the rest of the organization survives to provide jobs as they expand. Jobs overseas makes us a global competitor and opens new markets..... Transportation of goods improves. The banks were working within the regulations provided by the House banking committees..... Let's see Dodd Frank legislation comes to mind which is still screwing us all........
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#48 Dec 12, 2013
Bob wrote:
That I won't beg, bribe, or cajole the government to give me special treatment? That I won't take advantage of my employees? That I would refuse to allow my workers the same right to organize that I enjoy with the Chamber of Commerce or NFIB?
Then you may be right!
How many workers on that Taco truck, Bob? Two?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#49 Dec 12, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
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What's accurate about ignoring the fact that a large percentage of the population is underemployed or unemployed and instead saying that unemployment is improving? What's accurate about sweeping under the rug the record numbers of families living on food stamps and bridge cards (yeah, that's a REAL good economy we've got going there)? All these jobs they're talking about and people can't put food on the table without the government's help. I don't call that improvement.
JOB OPENINGS REACH A FIVE-YEAR HIGH...AP(12-11-13) So are resignations which also point to a healthier job market...U.S. employers advertised the most job openings in more than five-years in October, and the number of people quitting also reached a five-year high....The Labor Department said Tuesday that job openings rose 1 percent to a seasonally adjusted 3.93 million. That is the highest number since May 2008, three months after the recession began....More hiring, job openings and resignations point to a more dynamic job market. That trend creates more oppurtunities for those out of work or looking for a new job....Another positive sign : Layoffs plunged 16 percent to 1.47 million, the lowest level on records dating back to 2001.....
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#50 Dec 13, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I have faced reality..... It makes the company stronger so they can grow to ensure the rest of the organization survives to provide jobs as they expand. Jobs overseas makes us a global competitor and opens new markets..... Transportation of goods improves. The banks were working within the regulations provided by the House banking committees..... Let's see Dodd Frank legislation comes to mind which is still screwing us all........
What are the chances that someone will find a cure for your supposed case of Affluenza?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Highland, MI

#51 Dec 13, 2013
Bob wrote:
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What are the chances that someone will find a cure for your supposed case of Affluenza?
Bobbie, Do you know that term was coined by Rush Limbaugh years ago?????
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#52 Dec 14, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
JOB OPENINGS REACH A FIVE-YEAR HIGH...AP(12-11-13)....
Mostly part time. Yup...that really helps people stay afloat. Not.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#53 Dec 14, 2013
vox veritatis wrote:
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Mostly part time. Yup...that really helps people stay afloat. Not.
You know that, isn't true.....do you need proof?
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#54 Dec 14, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
You know that, isn't true.....do you need proof?
It isn't? You mean HuffPo was actually wrong about something?*snicker* and Daily Kos too?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/part...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/04/1228...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/...

Anyone who has any sort of intellectual honesty (and not just shilling for his fav politician) knows that it takes more than a couple of months of data to be able to truthfully say that full time jobs are on the rise but we know from your past posting pattern what side of that fence you're on.
Part time job hiring has risen dramatically over Obama's first and now his second term in office. To say otherwise is either lying or just flat out delusional.
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#55 Dec 14, 2013
"Jobs created so far this year are overwhelmingly in service industries, including retail, restaurants and health care, where wages are lower and more part-time jobs are offered. Goods producers are keeping a rein on payrolls until economic growth improves. And governments are restrained in their hiring because of budget restraints stemming from the federal sequester and its cascading impact on state and local spending."
Read more at http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/business/T019-S...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#56 Dec 15, 2013
Assuming that over 200,000 new jobs were created in November, why doesn’t the media report on what kind of jobs are being created? Are these jobs that pay enough to live a middle class lifestyle and feed your family, or crappy part-time jobs that don’t even allow employees to eat without receiving food stamps?

We've sure seen the increase in food stamp recipients over the last 5 years, right Go Blue??

Instead of taking the government-offered job numbers at face value and trotting around the bases like Go Blue loves to do, try thinking beyond a low-info voter level for a change:

If you’re looking for a job at a large software company, competition is tight and jobs are hard to find. But for someone who is looking for a job at McDonald’s, the economy may seem peachy.

It's all in how you spin it.

But like Go Blue said on another thread, if you can't find one of those awesome service jobs and McDonalds in your state, you've have five years to sell your house at a lose, move disrupt your family at great expense, and move them to another state where there are plenty of McDonalds-level jobs to be had!

See ... problem solved! LOL
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#57 Dec 15, 2013
(had)
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#58 Dec 15, 2013
It seems so ironic that we have the patriots on here complaining about the very business people their cause supports.

Here' a hint for you.......

These people that you say are being crushed under government regulations and taxes.......

They're the same ones who shipped jobs overseas, cut worker's wages and benefits, and tried their very best to widen the income gap through a number of administrations and congressional majorities by both political parties.

Herr Bush and a Republican majority pushed through tax cuts to the job creators, and their response was to move more jobs overseas, and beg for more relief.

The one term nerd and a republican congress in Michigan rammed through a right to work bill with the promise of better jobs..... Have you seen any of them yet? Imagine that!

Why you lowly educated idiots can't understand that they don't support you is beyond me. Just keep voting for the bunch that wants our country to return to the good old days like the founders enjoyed......

Watch your children enjoy those years when they become bonded interns trying to learn a trade!
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#59 Dec 15, 2013
Bob wrote:
Why you lowly educated idiots can't understand that they don't support you is beyond me. Just keep voting for the bunch that wants our country to return to the good old days like the founders enjoyed......
Watch your children enjoy those years when they become bonded interns trying to learn a trade!
Why you lowly educated idiots can't understand that the progressives don't support you is beyond me. Just keep voting for the bunch that wants our country to return to the good old days of Jim Crow ......
Watch your children enjoy those years when they become indentured servants to the ruling class government who's intentionally created an ill-educated, submissive voting army by convincing them that despite every opportunity to advance in life, if you're not white and CRC you are a victim and therefore need government to protect you from the evil Jesus fish people.

This administration has done nothing to address jobs being shipped overseas except a bunch of teleprompter-inspired campaign rhetoric parroted by a talking-head celebrity.

Take Obama’s $787-billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act which funneled millions of federal dollars to companies that shipped American jobs overseas. Take, for example, North Carolina-based LED manufacturer Cree Inc., which reaped $39 million through a stimulus-funded tax credit program in January 2010. In November 2009, the company built a manufacturing plant in Huizhou City, China, which is the harbor for more than half of the company’s employees.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-07-09...

[American jobs have been shifting to low-wage countries for years, and the trend has continued during Obama’s presidency. From 2008 to 2010, U.S. trade with China alone cost about 450,000 American jobs because of the growth of Chinese exports, said Robert E. Scott, a pro-labor advocate at the liberal Economic Policy Institute. That figure was less than in previous years, but the decrease was probably tied to the U.S. economic slowdown, which crimped demand for imports...]

Instead of focusing on a campaign promise every voter was concerned about - jobs - Count Chocula convinced a bunch of low-info morons that a health care system that didn't even rank in the top 10 of Americans' concerns in 2008 was the sky is falling and absolutely had to be overhauled or everyone was going to die.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

South Lyon, MI

#60 Dec 15, 2013
Bob wrote:
It seems so ironic that we have the patriots on here complaining about the very business people their cause supports.
Here' a hint for you.......
These people that you say are being crushed under government regulations and taxes.......
They're the same ones who shipped jobs overseas, cut worker's wages and benefits, and tried their very best to widen the income gap through a number of administrations and congressional majorities by both political parties.
Herr Bush and a Republican majority pushed through tax cuts to the job creators, and their response was to move more jobs overseas, and beg for more relief.
The one term nerd and a republican congress in Michigan rammed through a right to work bill with the promise of better jobs..... Have you seen any of them yet? Imagine that!
Why you lowly educated idiots can't understand that they don't support you is beyond me. Just keep voting for the bunch that wants our country to return to the good old days like the founders enjoyed......
Watch your children enjoy those years when they become bonded interns trying to learn a trade!
Bobbie, instead of being envious of success by people who use their brains, why don't you create your own empire if it is so easy..... Start something in manufacturing if regulations and fees are not a problem. Your incessant whining about others who simply have it easy was a tired argument during the purge under Stalin......
vox veritatis

Grand Rapids, MI

#61 Dec 15, 2013
Oneal wrote:
Assuming that over 200,000 new jobs were created in November, why doesn’t the media report on what kind of jobs are being created? Are these jobs that pay enough to live a middle class lifestyle and feed your family, or crappy part-time jobs that don’t even allow employees to eat without receiving food stamps?
You and I both know that the vast majority of those 200K jobs are seasonal hiring for the holiday shopping season: part time, lower paying jobs that you can barely support yourself on, let alone a family and they'll be gone as soon as the New Year's Eve ball falls in Times Square.
To read what Blue copy/pastes all over Topix, you'd think these dbags all think the jobs being created all pay 50K plus a year. Oh wait...that might lead to something resembling 'wealth' and the progressives believe that 'wealth' is evil.
Sassy

Rochester, MI

#62 Dec 15, 2013
Progressives are evil. They are communists all of them.

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