Unemployment At 7%, but ...
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#21 Dec 10, 2013
Just more proof that the only way to create jobs in this country has degraded to the point where the government has to throw special favors at the job creators to get them to act.......

Perhaps the NFIB should drop the "independent" part of their name for something more honest!
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#22 Dec 10, 2013
Bob wrote:
Just more proof that the only way to create jobs in this country has degraded to the point where the government has to throw special favors at the job creators to get them to act.......
Perhaps the NFIB should drop the "independent" part of their name for something more honest!
Leave it to a progressive to read "we need more government intervention" in all of this.

How do you submissives even breath without the government doing it for you?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Grand Blanc, MI

#23 Dec 10, 2013
Bob wrote:
Just more proof that the only way to create jobs in this country has degraded to the point where the government has to throw special favors at the job creators to get them to act.......
Perhaps the NFIB should drop the "independent" part of their name for something more honest!
Couple of reasons for the lack of jobs...... Govt regulations make business less profit...... ACA makes business less profit....... Going to CMU did not give you any knowledge about how and why companies exist.......

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#24 Dec 10, 2013
CEO'S MORE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT ECONOMIC FUTURE.....AP(12-6-13)......Wa shington - A survey of chief executives at the largest U.S. companies shows a growing number are optimistic about the economy's prospects for the next six months and expect to boost hiring....The Business Roundtable says it's index measuring CEO outlook rose to 84.5 in the October-December quarter. That's up from 79.1 in the July- September quarter....The group is an association of chief executives at the 200 largest U.S. companies. Any reading above 50 suggests expansion....The survey noted that 34 percent of the executives expect their companies will increase hiring in the next six months, up from 32 percent in the previous survey....
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#26 Dec 10, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
CEO'S MORE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT ECONOMIC FUTURE.....AP(12-6-13)......Wa shington - A survey of chief executives at the largest U.S. companies shows a growing number are optimistic about the economy's prospects for the next six months and expect to boost hiring....The Business Roundtable says it's index measuring CEO outlook rose to 84.5 in the October-December quarter. That's up from 79.1 in the July- September quarter....The group is an association of chief executives at the 200 largest U.S. companies. Any reading above 50 suggests expansion....The survey noted that 34 percent of the executives expect their companies will increase hiring in the next six months, up from 32 percent in the previous survey....
That's good news...Hopefully said survey translates to real full-time jobs this time.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#27 Dec 10, 2013
Oneal wrote:
Considering Go Blue Forever, the former infatuated Team Obama cheerleader - who never missed an chance to push any thread down a pro-Obama rabbit hole regardless of what the subject - has evidently thrown in the towel and conveniently decided to refrain from his usual Obama lauding one-liners, let me take this opportunity to proclaim Obama's greatness on his behalf:
"But unemployment is down to 7%..."
You see, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the unemployment rate has dropped to 7 percent. Employment increased in transportation and warehousing, health care, and manufacturing.
That's actually pretty good news. Except ...
You have to factor in that the labor participation rate hasn't gone up more than .2 percent, which means people who have left the labor force aren't coming back. According to numbers crunched by CNSNews, more than 90 million people are not in the labor force.
90 million people!
You figure that number back into the calculation and we're right back up above 9-10% unemployment.
Furthermore, and this is coming straight from the progressive mindspring, Huffpo, 75% of the jobs created in 2013 were part-time. The left will dazzle you with arguments as to why this is, and some will further argue this is a lie, but the figures are out there. The majority of jobs created under Obama have been part-time.
So, on behalf of Go Blue Forever's retirement from Team Obama's Glee Club, let's congratulate ourselves on the 7% unemployment we're currently enjoying - just don't look too closely at reality when doing so!
Don't forget that this administration doesn't count those who's unemployment benefits that have run out as unemployed anymore.
Those people just don't count any more.
And then, have you seen all of the protests at fast food restaurant's lately?
Back in the day,.. those jobs used to be held by high school kids, and those were "starting off" jobs.
I myself worked in one back when I was 16-17 years old.
Now those places are full of 40 to 50 year old people just trying to make a living.
I really feel for those, they are making much less than they did in the past, but this administration just doesn't account for them anymore.
If your unemployment benefit's have run out, or, you are working at MacDonalds, you just don't count anymore, and that makes Obama look better.
The really hard thing to figure out, is, will these people vote for the same thing in 2016?
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#28 Dec 11, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Couple of reasons for the lack of jobs...... Govt regulations make business less profit...... ACA makes business less profit....... Going to CMU did not give you any knowledge about how and why companies exist.......
The first step every major business makes is to crawl on it's knees to the local tax authorities begging for tax breaks with the vague promise of jobs for that city's population. It doesn't mean that they will remain there if the chance comes to squeeze another city for bigger concessions.

Their second step is to join the only unions any of them think should be legal..... The Chamber of Commerce and NFIB gladly swallow up their donations to bribe and cajole Federal and State lawmakers for more tax breaks and lax enforcement of labor or environmental laws.

It's these same people that are responsible for the hiring and firing of this country's citizens. They are the ones that are driving down wages for the average worker to the point that they can't afford to buy the products they produce. Reduced sales mean that less workers are needed to make or sell these products, which produces higher unemployment. You would think that these supposed brilliant job creators would see this. But, instead of seeing that they are the problem, these same people only try to cut wages and benefits to those employees that are left. The whole economy continues to circle the drain, their only response is to beg for less taxes and regulation.

Capitalist greed is the problem..... Unless of course you think the unemployed, or the workers trying to live on minimum wage in part-time jobs are the ones that make those choices. The last I heard, they weren't the ones in the halls of Washington bragging about being The Job Creators!
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#29 Dec 11, 2013
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Don't forget that this administration doesn't count those who's unemployment benefits that have run out as unemployed anymore.
Those people just don't count any more.
And then, have you seen all of the protests at fast food restaurant's lately?
Back in the day,.. those jobs used to be held by high school kids, and those were "starting off" jobs.
I myself worked in one back when I was 16-17 years old.
Now those places are full of 40 to 50 year old people just trying to make a living.
I really feel for those, they are making much less than they did in the past, but this administration just doesn't account for them anymore.
If your unemployment benefit's have run out, or, you are working at MacDonalds, you just don't count anymore, and that makes Obama look better.
The really hard thing to figure out, is, will these people vote for the same thing in 2016?
No administration has ever counted those who have given up on getting a job...... Unless it's a Republican that's screaming about too many people flooding the social safety net!

You might not know this, but the government doesn't do the hiring at McDonalds or WalMart. Those decisions are made by the so-called job creators we have to suffer with.

When you listen to some ultra conservative whack job call the unemployed, the underemployed, or those who have just given up lazy..... Do you really think that these people are going to vote for that person?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Grand Blanc, MI

#30 Dec 11, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
The first step every major business makes is to crawl on it's knees to the local tax authorities begging for tax breaks with the vague promise of jobs for that city's population. It doesn't mean that they will remain there if the chance comes to squeeze another city for bigger concessions.
Their second step is to join the only unions any of them think should be legal..... The Chamber of Commerce and NFIB gladly swallow up their donations to bribe and cajole Federal and State lawmakers for more tax breaks and lax enforcement of labor or environmental laws.
It's these same people that are responsible for the hiring and firing of this country's citizens. They are the ones that are driving down wages for the average worker to the point that they can't afford to buy the products they produce. Reduced sales mean that less workers are needed to make or sell these products, which produces higher unemployment. You would think that these supposed brilliant job creators would see this. But, instead of seeing that they are the problem, these same people only try to cut wages and benefits to those employees that are left. The whole economy continues to circle the drain, their only response is to beg for less taxes and regulation.
Capitalist greed is the problem..... Unless of course you think the unemployed, or the workers trying to live on minimum wage in part-time jobs are the ones that make those choices. The last I heard, they weren't the ones in the halls of Washington bragging about being The Job Creators!
You will never be in an upper management position....... Ding! Fries are ready.......
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#31 Dec 11, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
No administration has ever counted those who have given up on getting a job...... Unless it's a Republican that's screaming about too many people flooding the social safety net!
You might not know this, but the government doesn't do the hiring at McDonalds or WalMart. Those decisions are made by the so-called job creators we have to suffer with.
When you listen to some ultra conservative whack job call the unemployed, the underemployed, or those who have just given up lazy..... Do you really think that these people are going to vote for that person?
Trailer Park Jim is too stupid to realize the RTW Snydley & T-billies have Michigan unemployment at 9% and that it was the RTW nerd & T-billies that ended UIC benefits sometime ago. No surprise Snydley's approval rating is almost as high as the unemployment rate.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#32 Dec 11, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
That's good news...Hopefully said survey translates to real full-time jobs this time.
Put in your Bucket List, to actually read a Newspaper's Business Section, sometime in your life.....JOB OPENINGS REACH A FIVE-YEAR HIGH....AP (12-11-13).....
Oneal

Three Rivers, MI

#33 Dec 11, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Put in your Bucket List, to actually read a Newspaper's Business Section, sometime in your life.....JOB OPENINGS REACH A FIVE-YEAR HIGH....AP (12-11-13).....
I said that's good news, no need to get snotty. And yes, I'm well aware of the reported jobs figures thanks. They've been all over the internet. There are still 3.1 unemployed job seekers per opening, and the unemployment numbers are still not great when you factor in the people who have given up looking. But it's good news.

What I was saying was I hope this translates to something more than just headlines and it results in less job seekers per opening, which is the most significant figure. I also hope it encourages some of those that have given up looking to get their resumes fired back up.

We shall see.

I'm not going to stand in glazed-eyed, slack-jawed awe at the double rainbow of a five year high pinnacle that's gone from bad to not quite so bad, but at least some businesses have figured out a way to marginally navigate through the choppy waters of an anti-business administration. That speaks volumes for the ingenuity and resiliency of American business owners.

Glad to see you're back to seeing the seas parted and the sun shine down on your wax-drizzled statue of Obama. It just wasn't the same without ya!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#34 Dec 11, 2013
UNEMPLOYMENT APPLICATIONS DROP....UPI(11-22-13)...The number of people applying for U.S. unemployment benefits fell 21,000 to aq seasonally adjusted 323,000 last week, the lowest since late September and further evidence of an improving job market....The Labor Department said Thursday that the less volitile four-week average fell for the third straight week to 338,500. BOTH FIGURES ARE NEAR PRE-RECESSION LEVELS....Applications are a proxyfor layoffs. They had spiked in early October because of the partial government shutdown and processing backlogs in California. But first-time applications have now fallen in five of the past six weeks.....
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Highland, MI

#35 Dec 11, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
UNEMPLOYMENT APPLICATIONS DROP....UPI(11-22-13)...The number of people applying for U.S. unemployment benefits fell 21,000 to aq seasonally adjusted 323,000 last week, the lowest since late September and further evidence of an improving job market....The Labor Department said Thursday that the less volitile four-week average fell for the third straight week to 338,500. BOTH FIGURES ARE NEAR PRE-RECESSION LEVELS....Applications are a proxyfor layoffs. They had spiked in early October because of the partial government shutdown and processing backlogs in California. But first-time applications have now fallen in five of the past six weeks.....
The jobs lack pay........ When good paying jobs come back then you can crow but for know the kids that have $100,000 student loans can't find the jobs with good pay like 25 years ago......
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#36 Dec 11, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>
awe at the double rainbow of a five year high pinnacle that's gone from bad to not quite so bad, but at least some businesses have figured out a way to marginally navigate through the choppy waters of an anti-business administration.
Why don't you just stfu you ignorant SOB. Do you have any idea what unemployment was in 2008-2009 at the height of the world wide calamity that was the result of 8 yrs of gopher policies? I think it was 16% at the time in Michigan and 10% nationally. And despite the Bush tax cuts the 'job creators' are still sitting on trillions of wealth while their incomes continue to grow while while everyone elses falls. Like Blue says -- Read a GD business/economic besides what you get from you right wing lunatic bloggers.
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#37 Dec 11, 2013
Oneal wrote:
There are still 3.1 unemployed job seekers per opening, and the unemployment numbers are still not great when you factor in the people who have given up looking.
Don't you find it a bit odd that while the media is portraying the economy as all roses, rainbows and pretty white unicorns, the workforce participation rate really hasn't changed much and remains at the lowest point in decades? http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/12/the-shr...
Those unemployment numbers that everyone is trumpeting as 'wonderful news', BTW, are based on those who are drawing unemployment. It doesn't take into account those who are underemployed (found a part time job) or have simply fallen off the unemployment rolls altogether.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#38 Dec 11, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you find it a bit odd that while the media is portraying the economy as all roses, rainbows and pretty white unicorns, the workforce participation rate really hasn't changed much and remains at the lowest point in decades? http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/12/the-shr...
Those unemployment numbers that everyone is trumpeting as 'wonderful news', BTW, are based on those who are drawing unemployment. It doesn't take into account those who are underemployed (found a part time job) or have simply fallen off the unemployment rolls altogether.
Who's fault is that Stupid? Your diapers are soiled again. Where's your caretaker? Mom again out on the street?
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Highland, MI

#39 Dec 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you just stfu you ignorant SOB. Do you have any idea what unemployment was in 2008-2009 at the height of the world wide calamity that was the result of 8 yrs of gopher policies? I think it was 16% at the time in Michigan and 10% nationally. And despite the Bush tax cuts the 'job creators' are still sitting on trillions of wealth while their incomes continue to grow while while everyone elses falls. Like Blue says -- Read a GD business/economic besides what you get from you right wing lunatic bloggers.
You hear of the CRA that the govt made it mandatory to give loans to people who could not pay it back..... Once again govt involvement destroyed the housing market which destroyed the banks and made loans to business nearly impossible.;.... No wonder companies are keeping their cash safe..... Washington DC would steal it to give to full time career entitlement workers...... That is what the progressive lunatic bloggers want......
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Highland, MI

#40 Dec 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's fault is that Stupid? Your diapers are soiled again. Where's your caretaker? Mom again out on the street?
Is that the best response you got????? No facts presented....... Talk about stupid....... Maybe you should ask for overtime and finish mopping the restrooms......

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#41 Dec 11, 2013
free thinker wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you find it a bit odd that while the media is portraying the economy as all roses, rainbows and pretty white unicorns, the workforce participation rate really hasn't changed much and remains at the lowest point in decades? http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/12/the-shr...
Those unemployment numbers that everyone is trumpeting as 'wonderful news', BTW, are based on those who are drawing unemployment. It doesn't take into account those who are underemployed (found a part time job) or have simply fallen off the unemployment rolls altogether.
So, i just have to ask you this....is it this administration's responsibility to rescue those that are underemployed or fallen off the unemployment rolls?.....Do you actually feel, that their is a media bias in presenting accurate economic news?

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