“DRILL FOR OIL?, "YES WE CAN"”

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#151 Feb 22, 2010
Businessminded_plus4 wrote:
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I'll admit that I was hung up on that as soon as I heard this. Part of me feels it should be up to the business. But a bigger part of me feels it puts their workers in an unnecessary risk to the 2nd hand smoke. Was I an easy sell? Maybe. But I think in 5 or 10 years, nobody will notice anymore and it will be a good thing in the end.
Havn't you ever seen that movie with Sylvester Stalone, "Demolision man"

“DRILL FOR OIL?, "YES WE CAN"”

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#152 Feb 22, 2010
tion
spring

Detroit, MI

#153 Feb 22, 2010
Red_Fist wrote:
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I wish i had money for backing a resteraunt idea.
Red side, blue side.
The red side,
drinks
fatty foods
smoking
music
salty foods
pool table
pinball machine
big screen TV
==========
The blue side,
warning lables at every turn
salads with low fat dressing
tread mills, and other equipment
handicap parking as far as the eye can see
mabye some altoids mints (sugar free)
dress code
Separated by glass windows.
This is funny! I asked a waitress one time if she minded working in the smoking section. she laughed and said they not only tipped better, but were nicer to her!
spring

Detroit, MI

#154 Feb 22, 2010
Red_Fist wrote:
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Make sure you tell all the farmers accros america to throw the cow poop in the toilet, lol, you are a joke.
I wonder how God will judge you, because you are quite condecending.
good day
When someone has to make comments about spelling etc. just means your winning the arguement. take it as a compliment!

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

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#155 Feb 22, 2010
Alvin wrote:
Clearly, non-smoking has prevailed. I'm done having the same arguments with reformed smokers and hearing tales of rude non-smokers and wait until they take something I enjoy. I'm at a loss at anything that I could possibly do in a restaurant or bar that begins to compare to smoking. Smelling liquor in a bar was used, makes no sense, perfume problems you can have anywhere. Please don't lose one wink of sleep worrying about something I might have taken from me some day to equal to this smoking ban. If it happens I promise to deal with it if and when it happens.
Oh don't worry, we won't. And in fact, we won't even pay attention when you're complaining about it either. As long as the government saves you right Alvin?

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Since: Apr 07

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#156 Feb 22, 2010
Businessminded_plus4 wrote:
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I'll admit that I was hung up on that as soon as I heard this. Part of me feels it should be up to the business. But a bigger part of me feels it puts their workers in an unnecessary risk to the 2nd hand smoke. Was I an easy sell? Maybe. But I think in 5 or 10 years, nobody will notice anymore and it will be a good thing in the end.
There are a LOT of businesses that have made the choice to go non-smoking. Why not just leave it up to them? Personally, the ones who make it a big deal that they went non-smoking? I avoid like the plague. If my money as a smoker wasn't good enough for them when they were smoking, then my money isn't good enough for them when they're not. My choice. I will be a non smoker come May, and I will still feel the same way. Hell, all the money I save from not smoking won't be spent in Michigan either. It means I can enjoy myself better on an already planned and paid for vacation. I'll make sure every penny that would have been spent supporting the state goes in that fund. Other states can enjoy my status instead.

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Since: Apr 07

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#157 Feb 22, 2010
spring wrote:
<quoted text>This is funny! I asked a waitress one time if she minded working in the smoking section. she laughed and said they not only tipped better, but were nicer to her!
Not only did they tip better, they also had a sense of humor and enjoyed life. They didn't sit all pinch faced and argued whether or not 3 dollars was too high on a 30.00 tab.

Since: Feb 09

Grand Rapids

#158 Feb 22, 2010
spring wrote:
<quoted text>This is funny! I asked a waitress one time if she minded working in the smoking section. she laughed and said they not only tipped better, but were nicer to her!
Oh, I feel bad, I'll have to try to tip a bit better! I hate that this issue is so heated. Here's something from my point of view. I have been to many happy hours and loved them. I also developed asthma. I've nver smoked but had parents who were chronic smokers. I came to hate the smell. I developed asthma and I'm certain it's from the 2nd hand smoke I was subjected to. Now I can't even sit in a bar without paying for it later with not being able to breath. I know smokers have rights, or should have, but why do they have the right to infringe upon my medical condition. I didn't ask for this asthma, I have never smoked. I'd like to go out and have fun in a smoke free atmosphere with friends. I do have a few friends that smoke so I'm not a smoker hater.... Just wanted to share a p.o.v. of someone who misses the good ole happy hours.

Since: Apr 09

Wyoming

#159 Feb 22, 2010
Hates Cigs wrote:
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You don't make any sense. I am talking about people smoking in restaurants where I have every right to go and enjoy a meal without smelling their offensive habit. You also make no sense in ASSuming that I care if bars are open on Christmas day. If I don't want to be around cigarettes, why would I be in a bar? You are the moron.
A restaurant is a private establishment. I am not a smoker, never have been one. I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke myself. But what makes you so special that you should have more rights than the owner of a restaurant. It is offensive to me that you think you have a right to demand that a restaurant owner wait on you because you choose not to smoke. As a non-smoker I choose to request non-smoking seats. If the non-smoking section is too close to the smoking section and there is still too much smoke for me I ask for a seat change or go to a different restaurant. That is my right. I do not try to foist my rights down the throat of other private tax paying citizens.

Since: Apr 09

Wyoming

#160 Feb 22, 2010
neecer wrote:
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Not only did they tip better, they also had a sense of humor and enjoyed life. They didn't sit all pinch faced and argued whether or not 3 dollars was too high on a 30.00 tab.
Not all of us non-smokers tip badly or sit pinch faced regarding the bill. Please do not judge all of us by the bad behavior of a few uptight whiners.
spring

Detroit, MI

#161 Feb 22, 2010
Swell Feller wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I feel bad, I'll have to try to tip a bit better! I hate that this issue is so heated. Here's something from my point of view. I have been to many happy hours and loved them. I also developed asthma. I've nver smoked but had parents who were chronic smokers. I came to hate the smell. I developed asthma and I'm certain it's from the 2nd hand smoke I was subjected to. Now I can't even sit in a bar without paying for it later with not being able to breath. I know smokers have rights, or should have, but why do they have the right to infringe upon my medical condition. I didn't ask for this asthma, I have never smoked. I'd like to go out and have fun in a smoke free atmosphere with friends. I do have a few friends that smoke so I'm not a smoker hater.... Just wanted to share a p.o.v. of someone who misses the good ole happy hours.
A few posts back I said I didn't blame anyone who didn't smoke for hating it. but there are many establishments that have no smoking or designated areas for smokers. I even hate the way I smell when it gets too heavy in some places. what I am bothered by is the government being the ones taking these rights away when it should be left up to the business owner, not them!
spring

Detroit, MI

#162 Feb 22, 2010
neecer wrote:
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Not only did they tip better, they also had a sense of humor and enjoyed life. They didn't sit all pinch faced and argued whether or not 3 dollars was too high on a 30.00 tab.
so true!
spring

Detroit, MI

#163 Feb 22, 2010
ladydragonfly wrote:
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Not all of us non-smokers tip badly or sit pinch faced regarding the bill. Please do not judge all of us by the bad behavior of a few uptight whiners.
Jk

“DRILL FOR OIL?, "YES WE CAN"”

Since: Jul 08

United States

#164 Feb 22, 2010
Well the lady at georgetown lake outside while walking my dog made a snide comment about my smoke.
now they have a"LAW" this is just going to be the biggest pain in the AZZ !!!!!!

I think i am going to order a cellphone jammer, they are legal up to a certain wattage and distance.

“Lost my mind”

Since: Apr 07

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#165 Feb 22, 2010
ladydragonfly wrote:
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Not all of us non-smokers tip badly or sit pinch faced regarding the bill. Please do not judge all of us by the bad behavior of a few uptight whiners.
When you are working for a living and it consistently happens, you go where you make the money. And it wasn't non-smoking.

If I had to do it all over again, I would do it the same way. I have places we go to now where I purposely choose to sit in the bar, just for the atmosphere. The bar is smoking and the rest of the place (closed off) is not. It's more entertaining and more relaxed in the bar than the rest of the place.

Since: Jun 08

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#166 Feb 22, 2010
How often will you go though? Once in awhile. What about the every day customers that go daily that sit up at the bar, smoke, drink, play keno. Will you go enough to increase the sales of their normal customers?
Alvin wrote:
<quoted text>I love Mom and Pop type places, I think they will be surprised at the number of their new customers. They can easily provide for their nicotine addicted customers.

Since: Jun 08

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#167 Feb 22, 2010
All the Gillmore collection bars are non smoking, that would include The Bob, Rosy's Diner in East GR, Kirby in Grand Haven. Max & Erma's really nice establishment is non smoking. There is a bar that used to be Duba's right off the highway, it is non smoking. There is a bar/restaurant on 4 Mile and Plainfield (don't remember the name) but it is right next to old roller skating rink, and really nice. That is non smoking. How many times have you told others to do their research. I suggest you do the same, even though you won't have to now. The fact remains many establishments have chosen to go non smoking w/o government interfernce and that is HOW IT SHOULD BE, not being forced to be told how to do business. You didn't like it for GM, Healthcare, you should be arguing this one too.

As for your post about your friends and always having to go to smoking establishment, I'm sorry, but they must not care very much about your choices. My group of friends are 50/50 smokers. If a place chosen is non smoking, it won't stop us from going. If it is smoking, the nons will still go. We all give and take. After all, that is what friendship is all about.
Businessminded_plus4 wrote:
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I think my answer is that like anything - it takes a while to 'catch on'. They probably don't promote it because it's a 'catch 22'- They don't want you to come because you want to smoke and non-smokers like myself are fairly conditioned to just 'stay away' in general.....

Since: Jun 08

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#168 Feb 22, 2010
Sounds like my x sister in law, she would argue about how much we would leave for a tip all the time. We get great service, we give great tips. Great tips mean even better service the next time. It really is quite nice when you walk in somewhere, and they get your choice of drink all ready for you without even asking. They learn your name and you begin a friendship.
neecer wrote:
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Not only did they tip better, they also had a sense of humor and enjoyed life. They didn't sit all pinch faced and argued whether or not 3 dollars was too high on a 30.00 tab.

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Since: Apr 07

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#169 Feb 22, 2010
KCGR wrote:
Sounds like my x sister in law, she would argue about how much we would leave for a tip all the time. We get great service, we give great tips. Great tips mean even better service the next time. It really is quite nice when you walk in somewhere, and they get your choice of drink all ready for you without even asking. They learn your name and you begin a friendship.
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That's exactly it. I have been known to get cranky with people I'm with if they tip low when we've had great service.

But back to the matter at hand, it shouldn't make a difference what section a person sits in, but it does. And now the entire place gets to be filled with stuck up people. I think I'll stay home thanks. I can cook at home for cheaper anyway.

“You're gonna make it after all”

Since: May 09

United States

#170 Feb 22, 2010
neecer wrote:
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There are a LOT of businesses that have made the choice to go non-smoking. Why not just leave it up to them? Personally, the ones who make it a big deal that they went non-smoking? I avoid like the plague. If my money as a smoker wasn't good enough for them when they were smoking, then my money isn't good enough for them when they're not. My choice. I will be a non smoker come May, and I will still feel the same way. Hell, all the money I save from not smoking won't be spent in Michigan either. It means I can enjoy myself better on an already planned and paid for vacation. I'll make sure every penny that would have been spent supporting the state goes in that fund. Other states can enjoy my status instead.
Your response fascinates me. You don't want to be 'judged' as a smoker and yet you 'judge' the establishment that denighs you the 'right' to smoke. It seems you have a hangup that it is PERSONAL to you, rather than the issue with the smell, stink and general health issue that it is. Has it dawned on you that the business owner exercised the very right you think they should have? Has it occurred to you that they may have asthma like the person mentioned above? Or terrible allergies like I have? This isn't about YOUR money being 'good enough' Neecer.

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