Governor to sign Michigan smoking ban...

Governor to sign Michigan smoking ban into law on Friday

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“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#1 Dec 18, 2009
Now why are only the Detroit Casinos except from this?

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx...

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#2 Dec 18, 2009
The Detroit casinos are the only casinos in the state that are not owned by the tribes. The other casinos in the state are not effected by the law as they are on tribal property which is consideredto be part of the reservation which is considered a sovereign nation not subject to state laws. If the ban applied to the Detroit casinos they would be at a competitive disadvantage.

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#3 Dec 18, 2009
Gentle Taz wrote:
The Detroit casinos are the only casinos in the state that are not owned by the tribes. The other casinos in the state are not effected by the law as they are on tribal property which is consideredto be part of the reservation which is considered a sovereign nation not subject to state laws. If the ban applied to the Detroit casinos they would be at a competitive disadvantage.
Thanks for the explanation GT.
snomad

Allendale, MI

#4 Dec 18, 2009
The new law simply creates more controversy and thus work for the legislature and every other paper shuffler involved. What happens when various tribes open "smoking taverns" to the general public? Will "Mom & Pop" operations not be at a competitive disadvantage? There were/are plenty of alternatives to this "across the board" slap. Private business owners not given the opportunity to decide operating procedure? If a burger joint doesn’t offer a fish sandwich, you can go elsewhere. The same with “smoking allowed” establishments. I see “private clubs”(similar to what they have in the south) popping up in the near future. Maybe certain individuals/conglomerates (Apollo Global? LOL) already have this plan in development? For "liquor licenses" w/on site consumption, designate an allotted number of establishments to be "non-smoking"? Michigan seemingly desires a "non-smoking" state... but sure loves that tax on every tobacco sale. By the way, how much does a pack... or carton of cigs cost @ a tribal store?

Of course everyone generally agrees on the hazards of "secondhand smoke", but do we actually need the state to baby-sit us in every freaking aspect of our lives? Clover Bar in GH. Smoking section filled every Fri./Sat. night. I personally do not smoke when patronizing this restaurant as there are many children always present in the smoking section. Yes, parents eat pie and drink beer at the cost of their childrens' health. Sad, but true. However, this tells me that (besides poor judgment) these operations also need the smokers'$$$. How about a “no one under 18 in the smoking section at any time” policy? Seems reasonable… and on track to the desired end.

Next on the agenda; Everyone with a cold or "touch of the flu" is not allowed in public and as such, is subject to citation in that this is a health hazard to the general population. Give all police officers cotton swabs and Petri dishes... or maybe an "instant contamination analyzer" (aka ICA) similar to a breathalyzer. The possibilities are endless... and so are tax dollars... as far as state expenditures go. Soon WOOD will be headlining people being tased into submission because they have a sniffle…. Right or privilege… the line gets blurrier every day.

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#5 Dec 18, 2009
snomad wrote:
The new law simply creates more controversy and thus work for the legislature and every other paper shuffler involved. What happens when various tribes open "smoking taverns" to the general public? Will "Mom & Pop" operations not be at a competitive disadvantage? There were/are plenty of alternatives to this "across the board" slap. Private business owners not given the opportunity to decide operating procedure? If a burger joint doesn’t offer a fish sandwich, you can go elsewhere. The same with “smoking allowed” establishments. I see “private clubs”(similar to what they have in the south) popping up in the near future. Maybe certain individuals/conglomerates (Apollo Global? LOL) already have this plan in development? For "liquor licenses" w/on site consumption, designate an allotted number of establishments to be "non-smoking"? Michigan seemingly desires a "non-smoking" state... but sure loves that tax on every tobacco sale. By the way, how much does a pack... or carton of cigs cost @ a tribal store?
Of course everyone generally agrees on the hazards of "secondhand smoke", but do we actually need the state to baby-sit us in every freaking aspect of our lives? Clover Bar in GH. Smoking section filled every Fri./Sat. night. I personally do not smoke when patronizing this restaurant as there are many children always present in the smoking section. Yes, parents eat pie and drink beer at the cost of their childrens' health. Sad, but true. However, this tells me that (besides poor judgment) these operations also need the smokers'$$$. How about a “no one under 18 in the smoking section at any time” policy? Seems reasonable… and on track to the desired end.
Next on the agenda; Everyone with a cold or "touch of the flu" is not allowed in public and as such, is subject to citation in that this is a health hazard to the general population. Give all police officers cotton swabs and Petri dishes... or maybe an "instant contamination analyzer" (aka ICA) similar to a breathalyzer. The possibilities are endless... and so are tax dollars... as far as state expenditures go. Soon WOOD will be headlining people being tased into submission because they have a sniffle…. Right or privilege… the line gets blurrier every day.
Private Clubs are included under this law. The VFW, VVA, and the American Legion will be mandated non smoking when this law goes into effect. The only way around this law would be to open a smokeshop or cigar bar which, depending on the requirements such an establishment is required to meet, may not be practical.
snomad

Allendale, MI

#6 Dec 18, 2009
Hmm... If this "no exceptions" law is valid and upheld under challenge... would this be under a "monopolizing" factor? Therefore if gaming clubs (certain casinos) are exempt, this would then in fact give them a disproportionate "exclusive" advantage over all public, "alcohol consumption on premise" establishments. Let alone, in their particular area/location... Detroit? My understanding is "food or drink" served disqualifies a business... and/or 1 or more employees. Seems they almost covered their as***... or just enough so to muck up the courts with 5 years of individually backlogged cases and more taxpayer $$ used against the taxpayer him/herself.

Then what comes to mind is... More gaming clubs... smaller and everywhere. Michigan, the "New Nevada".
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#7 Dec 19, 2009
What a great Christmas present to the non-smoking victims of SHS.

“Be Respectful”

Since: Jul 08

Grand Rapids

#8 Dec 19, 2009
Gentle Taz wrote:
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Private Clubs are included under this law. The VFW, VVA, and the American Legion will be mandated non smoking when this law goes into effect. The only way around this law would be to open a smokeshop or cigar bar which, depending on the requirements such an establishment is required to meet, may not be practical.
It wouldn't be practical to do that, but you will see a lot of veterans organizations go under because of this law. Their bars bring in a lot of money to keep their buildings running and make their donations toward veteran's needs.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

United States

#9 Dec 19, 2009
But But But what about funding for SCHIP? What about the children? Without smokers, where does the funding come from?

“Go MSU Spartans!”

Since: Oct 08

Kalamazoo, MI

#10 Dec 19, 2009
I like to have a good cigar once or twice a year. Now I guess I'll have to smoke 'em on my backyard deck. That is until they ban that too.
Sandy

United States

#11 Dec 19, 2009
Bob wrote:
What a great Christmas present to the non-smoking victims of SHS.
Merry Christmas Bob!

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#12 Dec 19, 2009
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
But But But what about funding for SCHIP? What about the children? Without smokers, where does the funding come from?
We'll just have to raise the sales tax or income tax to make up that lost revenue...
Sandy

United States

#13 Dec 19, 2009
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>We'll just have to raise the sales tax or income tax to make up that lost revenue...
But that's ok Hurley, they don't care as long as those "evil" smokers are punished in some way shape or form.

Since: Jun 07

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#14 Dec 19, 2009
Gentle Taz wrote:
The Detroit casinos are the only casinos in the state that are not owned by the tribes. The other casinos in the state are not effected by the law as they are on tribal property which is consideredto be part of the reservation which is considered a sovereign nation not subject to state laws. If the ban applied to the Detroit casinos they would be at a competitive disadvantage.
The rationale for the sweeping ban on smoking has been to protect workers' health.

It's funny how the health of the workers at the cash cows (detroit casinos) for the state just don't seem to matter as much.

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#15 Dec 19, 2009
Sandy wrote:
<quoted text>But that's ok Hurley, they don't care as long as those "evil" smokers are punished in some way shape or form.
That's right. Now we need to go after those evil pop drinkers and Big Mac eaters and Tanning booth people.
say what

Denver, CO

#16 Dec 19, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
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The rationale for the sweeping ban on smoking has been to protect workers' health.
It's funny how the health of the workers at the cash cows (detroit casinos) for the state just don't seem to matter as much.
That's already been explained fairly well in another thread. Sorry you missed it.
say what

Denver, CO

#17 Dec 19, 2009
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>That's right. Now we need to go after those evil pop drinkers and Big Mac eaters and Tanning booth people.
There's been talk in congress on at least a couple of occasions regarding imposing an increased tax on pop and fast food. Careful what you wish for.

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#18 Dec 19, 2009
Hurley35 wrote:
<quoted text>That's right. Now we need to go after those evil pop drinkers and Big Mac eaters and Tanning booth people.
Stay tuned for more prohibition type rules and restrictions on other things. To much time on legislators hands now that this is almost out of the way they will have to come up with something else that's considered a detriment to our health or safety.

I know PARANOID!!. nope just wary..

“Dude, Where's my car?”

Since: Jan 08

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#19 Dec 19, 2009
say what wrote:
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There's been talk in congress on at least a couple of occasions regarding imposing an increased tax on pop and fast food. Careful what you wish for.
I'm a smoker so I'm already paying way more my share of taxes to the state. I don't drink pop or eat big macs or go to a tanning salon, all known health hazards, but we'll see how loud people scream when those taxes are imposed. "Behavior" taxes are generally easier to institute because they tend to target a minority segment of society.

“Smells like 1994!”

Since: Jun 08

Stately Wayne Manor

#20 Dec 19, 2009
Arctic49519 wrote:
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The rationale for the sweeping ban on smoking has been to protect workers' health.
It's funny how the health of the workers at the cash cows (detroit casinos) for the state just don't seem to matter as much.
Oh no you don't. You can't complain that forcing a bar to close on Christmas is unconstitutional and than claim that the smoking ban is to protect worker's rights. Michigan is an at will worker state. They don't like the working conditions than they can move on. This will truly hurt small business owners and state revenues. Once again, the libs tell us how to live our lives.

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