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#175 Feb 24, 2013
Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>It's not just the House that has low ratings Blue. It's All of congress, and includes Both parties.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152528/congress-jo...
I understand, that both sides have been guilty....but as you know, i will never forgive the tea party element of the House republicans, for obstructing legislature that would have sped up our economic recovery, all in an effort to unseat the President....over the years, i have presented countless proof of their treachery, including gloating over holding our economy hostage, during the debt ceiling debates, long enough to get the Treasury's credit limit dropped.....i won't get into a back and forth, but you are correct in both parties have gotten us to this point....

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#176 Feb 24, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
Not meaning it as derogatory I think it fantasy to not have a party system. It just doesn't follow human nature. Not that that is a good thing.
This country started out as a non-party system and by the time Jefferson ran for president he had established the the second party.
This is an interesting insight into the development of our two party system: http://www.apstudynotes.org/us-history/topics...
I strongly agree with "No political Pacts.....Limit drastically corporate financial input..." I would prefer to see it/them eliminated completely.
It's just not working.....look at TODAY in Congress.....
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#177 Feb 24, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> It's just not working.....look at TODAY in Congress.....
And again not to be contentious; it has never "worked" form the first Continental Congress.

BUT I have seen it work when both parties were concerned with what was best for the country with only the how to quibble over. It's most certainly not working now because, in my opinion, the struggle is who will gain the majority power for their own purposes.

Well, not exactly their own purposes as much as the purposes of those who paid to get them elected.

I still say get the money out of the equation and we'd see a different environment. But then maybe that's because I am looking at it from an historic perspective when election money wasn't as huge an issue as it has been over the past couple of decades.

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#178 Feb 25, 2013
SIB, then we need to fix it all....campaign donations...superpacs.....lobb yists....partisan gridlock....all the backbiting....Just seem's easiest permanent solution would be to eliminate the party system.....Even the convention's are exceedingly selfserving....what we could do is still have primarys, where the top four candidates on each state's, then automatically is on the election ballot.....
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#179 Feb 25, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
SIB, then we need to fix it all....campaign donations...superpacs.....lobb yists....partisan gridlock....all the backbiting....Just seem's easiest permanent solution would be to eliminate the party system.....Even the convention's are exceedingly selfserving....what we could do is still have primarys, where the top four candidates on each state's, then automatically is on the election ballot.....
I'm not so sure as to how this will come across to you: Or we could go back to where the state legislatures choose who the candidates will be with the variation being then let the people vote between the two.

I haven't thought that one through completely so I'm not sure what the perspective ramifications would be.

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#180 Feb 25, 2013
Mostly, the bottom line is, American's of both parties are extremely depressed with the current political process and it's inability to govern on behalf of, what is best for everyone....simple as that....
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#181 Feb 25, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Mostly, the bottom line is, American's of both parties are extremely depressed with the current political process and it's inability to govern on behalf of, what is best for everyone....simple as that....
Agreed.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#182 Feb 25, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I understand, that both sides have been guilty....but as you know, i will never forgive the tea party element of the House republicans, for obstructing legislature that would have sped up our economic recovery, all in an effort to unseat the President....over the years, i have presented countless proof of their treachery, including gloating over holding our economy hostage, during the debt ceiling debates, long enough to get the Treasury's credit limit dropped.....i won't get into a back and forth, but you are correct in both parties have gotten us to this point....
Agreed, but I wonder what your opinion is of those in the Senate that refuse to even look at anything passed by the House that could have sped up our economic recovery?
I agree, Both sides are at fault.......
But not sure that it's fair to blame everything on the House, when the Senate majority leader say's that any bills passed by the House are D.O.A.
The Senate has not passed a meaningfull piece of legislation in almost 1,000 days now.
There were two recent bill's passed by those nasty republicans in the House, that would have avoided this whole sequester thing, but the Senate refused to even look at them.
Obama himself, has submitted a proposal, but it is nothing but tax hikes, and more spending.
Thats what got us into this mess in the first place
(not just him, but his predecessors included)
I could be wrong, but it sure seems that you have it in for conservatives, and blame this so called tea party for everything, when the members of your own party have had an equal hand in getting us into this mess.
You do remember back in August of 2011, this whole sequster/fiscal cliff idea was all Obama's idea, and he was the one that signed it.
Now, he's trying to twist things around, and blame republicans, for his own idea.

The good news is,...Barack is in Florida,...partying with Tiger Woods, and Michelle is handing out Oscar awards to fellow celebrities!
Thats what this president is all about!
The fiscal crisis just doesnt matter!
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#183 Feb 25, 2013
Neither does your part times jobs at the Dollar Store where you platoon as shelf stocker and "manager" and Subway where you "moonlight" after playing the fool trying to satisfy your bosses.
Chip

Madison, WI

#190 Feb 26, 2013
TAKINGOUTTHETRASH wrote:
Hi Michael/Seymour/Linda! Why do you act like a conservative on some threads and a liberal on others?
<quoted text>
Change your name again pipedream?

Since: Oct 12

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#193 Feb 26, 2013
Anyone see how the Republican party turned their back on Chris Christie, today? He is probably the Most Popular governor in the Northeast, if not the whole country....Anyone here think that is a good idea for their future?

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#194 Feb 26, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Anyone see how the Republican party turned their back on Chris Christie, today? He is probably the Most Popular governor in the Northeast, if not the whole country....Anyone here think that is a good idea for their future?
I saw where he is proposing expanding Medicaid and additional aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy in exchange for cutting the state income tax by 10%(which the D's are against).

Didn't see anything about the R's turning their back on him. Can you post the link?
Really

Kalamazoo, MI

#195 Feb 26, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw where he is proposing expanding Medicaid and additional aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy in exchange for cutting the state income tax by 10%(which the D's are against).
Didn't see anything about the R's turning their back on him. Can you post the link?
You might as well spit into the wind. Blue doesn't know how to post links. he will tell you that he read it, it was a story from the AP.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#196 Feb 26, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw where he is proposing expanding Medicaid and additional aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy in exchange for cutting the state income tax by 10%(which the D's are against).
Didn't see anything about the R's turning their back on him. Can you post the link?
Speaking of hurricane Sandy, how is that "aid" thing going?
Remember after hurricane Katrina, and the lib's cant stop attacking Bush for taking two day's to offer any aid.
Seems Obama has turned his back on the victims of Sandy.
Obama took advantage of Christie for a photo op, and then left the people of New Jersey to fend for themselves.

Since: Mar 09

Grandville, MI

#197 Feb 26, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>You might as well spit into the wind. Blue doesn't know how to post links. he will tell you that he read it, it was a story from the AP.
He seems to make up a lot of shit and never backs it up.
His facts, are mere opinions.

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#198 Feb 27, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw where he is proposing expanding Medicaid and additional aid for victims of Hurricane Sandy in exchange for cutting the state income tax by 10%(which the D's are against).
Didn't see anything about the R's turning their back on him. Can you post the link?
Yeah, every daily newspaper in the country....how's that for a link?...Just kidding, they failed to invite him to CPAC, which in mutant reichworld, is as much as a putdown.....just another display of their low regard for politician's with mass appeal.....
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Portage, MI

#199 Feb 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, every daily newspaper in the country....how's that for a link?...Just kidding, they failed to invite him to CPAC, which in mutant reichworld, is as much as a putdown.....just another display of their low regard for politician's with mass appeal.....
Beats the attitude of accepting child rapists light sentencing......
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#200 Feb 27, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Beats the attitude of accepting child rapists light sentencing......
You don't remember the list of Republican pedofiles I posted over a year ago Batch? Among those, ones that got away with it.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#201 Feb 27, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>Beats the attitude of accepting child rapists light sentencing......
Here's some for you to review Batch.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php ...
*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during ..."
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex ...

http://www.911review.org/Alex/Republican_Pedo ...

http://armchairsubversive.blogspot.com/
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Portage, MI

#203 Feb 27, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't remember the list of Republican pedofiles I posted over a year ago Batch? Among those, ones that got away with it.
Yes, all walks of life they come from...... Republicans pay for their crimes.......

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