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<quoted text>We the people are a democracy. The elected politicians make up the republic. If you want to join the enlightened group spend less time listening to fox news and go get an education.
This post is a perfect example of leftist deflection. You use the word "enlightened" and suggest that I quit listening to Fox News as to insinuate that people that turn to Fox News are intellectually inferior compared to you and other leftists like you. So you think that people that watch Fox need more education? Do yourself a favor and read Sigmund Freud. He will explain to you your inferiority complex.
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<quoted text>Hybrid Marxist agendas should be DOA.......
So should Hybrid Fascists. So it's a stalemate. Welcome to the sequester.
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>This post is a perfect example of leftist deflection. You use the word "enlightened" and suggest that I quit listening to Fox News as to insinuate that people that turn to Fox News are intellectually inferior compared to you and other leftists like you. So you think that people that watch Fox need more education? Do yourself a favor and read Sigmund Freud. He will explain to you your inferiority complex.
It's just more baseless fabrication to support a convenient template that demeans people who don't agree. We've seen this everywhere from the "Tea Party supporters are racists" template, despite any shred of factual evidence to back that up, to "blacks are lazy food stamp-abusers", despite clear evidence that laziness and food stamp-abusing isn't dictated by skin color.

There's a serious problem when people are so hateful, fearful and ignorant they let stereotyping get in the way of conversation - especially when that conversation is about issues that impact all of us pretty much equally.
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<quoted text>Takes two sides to fight SIB. And considering Obama's leftist political training, it's obvious that his initial stubbornness is what's causing the right to take the same tactical position on this and many other issues. Obama is a European-style socialist and it's out in the open for everyone to see at this point. I don't think the Republicans are just going to sit back and give Obama everything he wants. That would destroy the party's credibility and their constituents would never forgive them for selling out. that's the game plan of Obama. Chess tactics in politics.
That certainly is your perspective and you are entitled to it no matter how wrong you are in the face of facts.

Obama campaigned on social programs would be on the table for revenue increases. Campaigned on the Bush temprary tax cuts expiring as intended from 2001. Boehner has been strutting around saying how he got 98% of what he wanted and is happy when it came to Obama not letting the Bush tax cuts just expire as they were intended by the Republicans. Did the tax cuts for everyone over $250,000 per year expire? Or did it get changed to over $400,000 per year?

Now Boehner is saying that's not enough and the Republicans have given nothing. They still have not budged on anything they have been wanting from the beginning. And you're saying Obama's the stubborn one?

And what is causing the Republicans take the same tactical position on this and many other issues is they made it clear as soon as Obama was sworn in in 2009 they're first priority was to make Obama a one term president. And to not cooperate with anything he want(s)(ed) unless it was what they wanted and would do anyway. You going to deny it? It part of the record. And seeing as they are wrong on the one term presidency they are just like children pissed off and out for revenge. And once again trying to make everyone else believe they didn't break the lamp...it was the dog.

It's the Teapublican's credibility that has been destroyed. They just don't get it yet. The polls show the people do though. With Republican approval at 22%.

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It's just more baseless fabrication to support a convenient template that demeans people who don't agree. We've seen this everywhere from the "Tea Party supporters are racists" template, despite any shred of factual evidence to back that up, to "blacks are lazy food stamp-abusers", despite clear evidence that laziness and food stamp-abusing isn't dictated by skin color.
There's a serious problem when people are so hateful, fearful and ignorant they let stereotyping get in the way of conversation - especially when that conversation is about issues that impact all of us pretty much equally.
All they do is stereotype themselves
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That certainly is your perspective and you are entitled to it no matter how wrong you are in the face of facts.
Obama campaigned on social programs would be on the table for revenue increases. Campaigned on the Bush temprary tax cuts expiring as intended from 2001. Boehner has been strutting around saying how he got 98% of what he wanted and is happy when it came to Obama not letting the Bush tax cuts just expire as they were intended by the Republicans. Did the tax cuts for everyone over $250,000 per year expire? Or did it get changed to over $400,000 per year?
Now Boehner is saying that's not enough and the Republicans have given nothing. They still have not budged on anything they have been wanting from the beginning. And you're saying Obama's the stubborn one?
And what is causing the Republicans take the same tactical position on this and many other issues is they made it clear as soon as Obama was sworn in in 2009 they're first priority was to make Obama a one term president. And to not cooperate with anything he want(s)(ed) unless it was what they wanted and would do anyway. You going to deny it? It part of the record. And seeing as they are wrong on the one term presidency they are just like children pissed off and out for revenge. And once again trying to make everyone else believe they didn't break the lamp...it was the dog.
It's the Teapublican's credibility that has been destroyed. They just don't get it yet. The polls show the people do though. With Republican approval at 22%.
The Republicans gave him the $400,000 tax threshold when they didn't want ANY new taxes. Taxes on the wealthy can hurt investment. Obama wanted $250,000 and settled for $400K. You are missing the point however. It's the spending that needs to be curtailed and this president cannot do it. It's against his political genetic code as a socialist. If you raise taxes on those making $400,000 per year but continue to spend money like it's grown on trees, how long do you think it will be before the call to raise taxes on those making less $400,000 is made? Will we tax the wealthy (what is considered wealthy??) at 50% at some point? Will we move the tax burden down to the upper-middle class....then lower in the future? The key here is for Obama to understand the metrics of balancing a budget which he either fails to understand or is unwilling to do. The warnings given about Obama in "08" were true. Kinda hard to see that when he's the first African American president in US history. A convenient cloak behind which to operate.
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>The Republicans gave him the $400,000 tax threshold when they didn't want ANY new taxes. Taxes on the wealthy can hurt investment. Obama wanted $250,000 and settled for $400K. You are missing the point however. It's the spending that needs to be curtailed and this president cannot do it. It's against his political genetic code as a socialist. If you raise taxes on those making $400,000 per year but continue to spend money like it's grown on trees, how long do you think it will be before the call to raise taxes on those making less $400,000 is made? Will we tax the wealthy (what is considered wealthy??) at 50% at some point? Will we move the tax burden down to the upper-middle class....then lower in the future? The key here is for Obama to understand the metrics of balancing a budget which he either fails to understand or is unwilling to do. The warnings given about Obama in "08" were true. Kinda hard to see that when he's the first African American president in US history. A convenient cloak behind which to operate.
I have posted it several times and I will post a couple more one last time: http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2011/0...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/07...
This notion that it's tax cuts that are going to create jobs is a ruse. One that seems to be working but none-the-less a ruse.

And while the Republicans and the Tea Party, specifically speaking of Eric Cantor at this time, it's a lie that the deficit lays at the feet of Obama; http://www.politicususa.com/cantor-obama-defi...

While everyone likes to hit Obama with the deficit in his first years who realizes the budget was set by Bush for 2009.

So what does that have to do with it today? Good question as Obama is the lowest spending president since Eisenhower. I posted the link on that a couple of times on here too but it doesn't seem to make any difference. Warnings given about Obama in 2008? Seriously? That pretty much puts paid to not wanting to pay any attention to the realities cited. If you don't want to believe it you're not going to.
Again; http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/opinion/sun... ;
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The Republicans GAVE him (Obama) the $400,000 when they didn't want any "new taxes"? What new taxes? All Obama had to do was stand back and let the Bush tax cuts expire.

It's beyond rational thinking how this fantasy that the Bush tax cuts were set to expire becomes "new taxes" or even the Republicans GAVE Obama a gift of the $400,000. The Bush tax cuts were TEMPORARY with an expiration date.
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The Republicans GAVE him (Obama) the $400,000 when they didn't want any "new taxes"? What new taxes? All Obama had to do was stand back and let the Bush tax cuts expire.
It's beyond rational thinking how this fantasy that the Bush tax cuts were set to expire becomes "new taxes" or even the Republicans GAVE Obama a gift of the $400,000. The Bush tax cuts were TEMPORARY with an expiration date.
Come on now. I'm talking about the threshold individual earnings for tax increase consideration. Think job creation. With it set at $250,000 it would affect many small businesses and less so the rate of increase threshold of $400,000 assuming this number means owners withdrawal rather than bi-weekly compensation. Letting the tax cuts expire IS new taxes or should be construed as such when we look at personal investment in job creation. Just in the way Obama speaks he stifles growth with his consistent mantra of those who are well-off should pay a bit more. This scares investors and that is the problem. If what we are talking about is income inequality, then we have to seek out the best and most efficient way for the nipple-suckers to educate themselves into hard-working, productive, self-reliant individuals who'll no longer need the great uncle to place food on their table. I often wonder if the left enjoys a struggling class simply because it offers a treasure trove of miss-informed voters.
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St Stephen wrote:
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The real danger to the republic are the house republicans. Maybe they can take some of their salary and benefit packages and give it to the cops and firefighters when they are sitting in the unemployment line.
Look, I absolutely agree with you, everything is clearly Bush's fault. If only we could live in a blissful socialist utopia, all our problems would be solved. Unfortunately, these ignorant bigoted hateful Republicans have blocked the efforts of our Messiah, President Obama, to bring this socialist utopia here to America from Western Europe.

How dare the evil Republicans stand in the way of our agenda? We need unlimited abortion on demand at taxpayer expense for any reason during any time of pregnancy, we need gay history to be a mandatory requirement to be taught in all public and private schools, we need abortion clinics and gay bathouses in every middle school and high school in this country, we need NAMBLA merged with the Boy Scouts (how unjust and discriminatory that this is not yet allowed by a bunch of bigots) and we need all guns, knives, and forks confiscated and turned over to the Obama Justice Department

Then the evil rich must be taxed at 99% to pay for all these programs and then they must be deported so that the rest of us can fulfill our human potential by serving the state as workers on collective farms.

Keep fighting for our dreams against these evil Republicans!

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Look, I absolutely agree with you, everything is clearly Bush's fault. If only we could live in a blissful socialist utopia, all our problems would be solved. Unfortunately, these ignorant bigoted hateful Republicans have blocked the efforts of our Messiah, President Obama, to bring this socialist utopia here to America from Western Europe.
How dare the evil Republicans stand in the way of our agenda? We need unlimited abortion on demand at taxpayer expense for any reason during any time of pregnancy, we need gay history to be a mandatory requirement to be taught in all public and private schools, we need abortion clinics and gay bathouses in every middle school and high school in this country, we need NAMBLA merged with the Boy Scouts (how unjust and discriminatory that this is not yet allowed by a bunch of bigots) and we need all guns, knives, and forks confiscated and turned over to the Obama Justice Department
Then the evil rich must be taxed at 99% to pay for all these programs and then they must be deported so that the rest of us can fulfill our human potential by serving the state as workers on collective farms.
Keep fighting for our dreams against these evil Republicans!
Don't forget about the prayer rugs and foot washing stations..

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BHOs utopia: It smells like urine, the streets are falling apart, cities that were once thriving economic giants look like they were hit by a bomb,(Detroit) people wait in line for scraps. But hey we have the health care "law".
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Elephant Gun wrote:
<quoted text>We the people are a democracy. The elected politicians make up the republic. If you want to join the enlightened group spend less time listening to fox news and go get an education.
Yep, take the time to go to Hillsdale.com and take their free online course on the Constitution...... And please, don't tell us how this is a less than adequate learning institution. You will look like an idiot......
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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Come on now. I'm talking about the threshold individual earnings for tax increase consideration. Think job creation. With it set at $250,000 it would affect many small businesses and less so the rate of increase threshold of $400,000 assuming this number means owners withdrawal rather than bi-weekly compensation. Letting the tax cuts expire IS new taxes or should be construed as such when we look at personal investment in job creation. Just in the way Obama speaks he stifles growth with his consistent mantra of those who are well-off should pay a bit more. This scares investors and that is the problem. If what we are talking about is income inequality, then we have to seek out the best and most efficient way for the nipple-suckers to educate themselves into hard-working, productive, self-reliant individuals who'll no longer need the great uncle to place food on their table. I often wonder if the left enjoys a struggling class simply because it offers a treasure trove of miss-informed voters.
Okay so, if you went to your lender, mortgage, car loan, credit card, land lord, I don't care which and they said they would give you a reprieve of x amount for an x amount of time and after that your payment would return to the original, and it did, that would be an increase? Really?!?!? That's nothing but playing word games.

We had the Bush tax cuts for a freaken decade and they didn't create jobs. The tax cuts weren't the cause for job creation. That's been made very clear.

What scares investors is uncertainty in the direction of the economy. What scares employers is uncertainty. More importantly employers are not going to hire when there is no demand for their products and/or services. When people aren't making money, or making enough for discretionary spending there is not enough demand to increase employment. And money has to be present to spend to create demand.
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Okay so, if you went to your lender, mortgage, car loan, credit card, land lord, I don't care which and they said they would give you a reprieve of x amount for an x amount of time and after that your payment would return to the original, and it did, that would be an increase? Really?!?!? That's nothing but playing word games.
We had the Bush tax cuts for a freaken decade and they didn't create jobs. The tax cuts weren't the cause for job creation. That's been made very clear.
What scares investors is uncertainty in the direction of the economy. What scares employers is uncertainty. More importantly employers are not going to hire when there is no demand for their products and/or services. When people aren't making money, or making enough for discretionary spending there is not enough demand to increase employment. And money has to be present to spend to create demand.
Obama IS the uncertainty you talk about. Get it? If I want to start up or expand a business in this political environment I am afraid or at least thrifty with my decisions. Why? Well first, I don't like Obama's talking points like "I want to fundamentally change this country" or "you didn't build that, someone helped you along the way" etc etc. I also don't like the uncertainty of ObamaCare which may end up costing me a fortune should my business ever grow beyond a employee base of 50, the threshold for mandatory coverage. You say that tax cuts don't create jobs and some of that may be true in part. However, raising taxes (letting the tax cuts expire) in an economy that is trying to come out of a recession doesn't seem like such a bright idea to me. Proof of this theory is found within and among the states. Take Texas for example. Texas has very low tax rates for business and therefore lures more to the state creating more jobs. Now look at California where the tax rates are astronomically high and tell me what you find....businesses are leaving in mass and moving to Texas? Look dude, bottom line is this; more taxes equals less investment incentive(this is Econ 101) and less or lower taxes equals higher job creation thus more employment opportunities THUS less people nursing from the government tit. This is so simple, I cannot understand how YOU cannot understand.

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Dr X wrote:
<quoted text>Obama IS the uncertainty you talk about. Get it? If I want to start up or expand a business in this political environment I am afraid or at least thrifty with my decisions. Why? Well first, I don't like Obama's talking points like "I want to fundamentally change this country" or "you didn't build that, someone helped you along the way" etc etc. I also don't like the uncertainty of ObamaCare which may end up costing me a fortune should my business ever grow beyond a employee base of 50, the threshold for mandatory coverage. You say that tax cuts don't create jobs and some of that may be true in part. However, raising taxes (letting the tax cuts expire) in an economy that is trying to come out of a recession doesn't seem like such a bright idea to me. Proof of this theory is found within and among the states. Take Texas for example. Texas has very low tax rates for business and therefore lures more to the state creating more jobs. Now look at California where the tax rates are astronomically high and tell me what you find....businesses are leaving in mass and moving to Texas? Look dude, bottom line is this; more taxes equals less investment incentive(this is Econ 101) and less or lower taxes equals higher job creation thus more employment opportunities THUS less people nursing from the government tit. This is so simple, I cannot understand how YOU cannot understand.
But you didn't mind Snyder's talking point of how he was going to "reinvent MI".

What affects your personal decision making is not the map for a generalized assertion that tax cuts create jobs.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

"GOP Supercommittee Member Admits Bush Tax Cuts Didnít Create Jobs, Canít Explain Why"
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/04/3...

Not so much on the Texas argument "dude".
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/cali...

I understand your thesis. It hasn't however proven out in reality. I don't understand how you don't understand in the face of the facts over the thesis.

Maybe we should progress beyond Econ 101 to the higher than introduction levels?
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But you didn't mind Snyder's talking point of how he was going to "reinvent MI".
What affects your personal decision making is not the map for a generalized assertion that tax cuts create jobs.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
"GOP Supercommittee Member Admits Bush Tax Cuts Didnít Create Jobs, Canít Explain Why"
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/04/3...
Not so much on the Texas argument "dude".
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/cali...
I understand your thesis. It hasn't however proven out in reality. I don't understand how you don't understand in the face of the facts over the thesis.
Maybe we should progress beyond Econ 101 to the higher than introduction levels?
Didn't bother actually reading the articles you linked on texas I take it.

Both articles state:
"And although job growth in California has surged ahead recently, Texas has outpaced it in 18 of the past 24 months."

Also interesting if you do the math and take out the cuts Texas made to its public workforce of 36,000 then CA is really only ahead and increase of 2.6% compared to 2.4% in Texas.

You also need to consider CA started from a much lower point than TX.

Bottom line: CA has 10.7 percent unumployment, compared with Texasís 7.2 percent.

You don't need to be a genious to figure out which state is doing a better job.
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But you didn't mind Snyder's talking point of how he was going to "reinvent MI".
What affects your personal decision making is not the map for a generalized assertion that tax cuts create jobs.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
"GOP Supercommittee Member Admits Bush Tax Cuts Didnít Create Jobs, Canít Explain Why"
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/04/3...
Not so much on the Texas argument "dude".
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/cali...
I understand your thesis. It hasn't however proven out in reality. I don't understand how you don't understand in the face of the facts over the thesis.
Maybe we should progress beyond Econ 101 to the higher than introduction levels?
Obama's Transformation of America speech is scarier...... Snyder is trying to fix Granholm's and the leaders from the Eastside of the State's messes..... Detroit, Flint, and Warren are doing great with your Progressive thought processes.....
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Didn't bother actually reading the articles you linked on texas I take it.
Both articles state:
"And although job growth in California has surged ahead recently, Texas has outpaced it in 18 of the past 24 months."
Also interesting if you do the math and take out the cuts Texas made to its public workforce of 36,000 then CA is really only ahead and increase of 2.6% compared to 2.4% in Texas.
You also need to consider CA started from a much lower point than TX.
Bottom line: CA has 10.7 percent unumployment, compared with Texasís 7.2 percent.
You don't need to be a genious to figure out which state is doing a better job.
And North Dakota has a negative rate of unemployment due to the private sector investing in projects on private land.-0.1% They can't build houses fast enough.

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