Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#568 Mar 15, 2013
pipedream wrote:
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Still waiting for sources that support you comments about Hitler being Jewish, his father Jewish, etc. Its only fair that you should back up your statements.
Since you are so certain he wasn't you back up your claim that he wasn't. Since I can be certain that I read more history than you do since I don't need picture books, I can be sure you can't back up your claim that I don't know what I am talking about.
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#569 Mar 15, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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And you're not blaming Obama. Did I get that wrong?
Blaming him? Nope. What I am trying to do and have been trying to do is convince you and others to hold him to the same accountability standard that you demand of Republicans. I do know, however, that that won't happen. He made promises and statements during both campaigns and he has lied repeatedly, yet you and others choose to give him a pass and continue to repeatedly blame the person who hasn't been in office for 4.5 years and counting. Obama stated his opinion and promise in his first campaign that he would reduce the deficit in half and would not raise taxes. He lied on both counts which I have linked countless times, to quote you. Not my problem if you don't like the information I put out there.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#570 Mar 15, 2013
I'm pretty certain you're not accurate. But I'm hoping you might be able to prove me wrong. Go ahead. If you're so certain then present your sources. Perhaps its just your sources that are inaccurate. In any case, its your move.

Since: Oct 12

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#571 Mar 16, 2013
Anyone on here have any thought's on what Jeb Bush had to say at CPAC, specificaly in regards to the direction, the Republican party should be taking for the future?.....
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#572 Mar 16, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Anyone on here have any thought's on what Jeb Bush had to say at CPAC, specificaly in regards to the direction, the Republican party should be taking for the future?.....
From what little I did hear he sounds more like a centrist. Something that isn't going to help him with this present group of GOP fanatics and soaked Teabaggers. But then maybe the Bush name will carry some weight.
He was spot on though when he suggested neither Reagan nor his father (G.H.W. Bush) could get elected [as a Republican] in the new environment of far right conservatism. Jeb has been labeled a RINO by many of the "conservatives".

Since: Oct 12

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#573 Mar 16, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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From what little I did hear he sounds more like a centrist. Something that isn't going to help him with this present group of GOP fanatics and soaked Teabaggers. But then maybe the Bush name will carry some weight.
He was spot on though when he suggested neither Reagan nor his father (G.H.W. Bush) could get elected [as a Republican] in the new environment of far right conservatism. Jeb has been labeled a RINO by many of the "conservatives".
That is a pity, as i really liked him, as the Governor down here...alway's thought he was the best of the Bush's along with his upcoming son....Jeb is alot more, looks you in the eyes type, than his brother....more grounded, in a strange way.....speaks fluent spanish...i would think he would be the GOP's wet dream...lol...
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#574 Mar 17, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Anyone on here have any thought's on what Jeb Bush had to say at CPAC, specificaly in regards to the direction, the Republican party should be taking for the future?.....
I'm pretty sure anything the GOP does is going to be met with the same intolerance and immaturity as always by cement-minded radical liberals who still use the term "teabaggers" and accuse anyone who opposes their mindset racist.

I think the name Bush has been successfully dragged through the mud by the above-mentioned radicals to the point where running under that name would only be fodder for the media. Any good ideas he might have would be submarined by the constant anti-Bush whine from the left.

It' not a matter of good or bad ideas at this point. To the progressive led liberals, this is about destroying the competition.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#575 Mar 17, 2013
Ya, take that Blue. We've been served by the politically savvy intellectual superior...snicker snicker cough

Maybe if we're lucky someday we'll figure out we're the ones that aren't tolerant and mature and out only to destroy the competition...choke

Since: Oct 12

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#576 Mar 17, 2013
Hard to believe anyone would ever want to drag the name of GW Bush through the mud.....all the good he did for this country and it's economy....Hell, we are still thanking him....
phil

Oxford, MI

#577 Mar 17, 2013
Oneal wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pretty sure anything the GOP does is going to be met with the same intolerance and immaturity as always by cement-minded radical liberals who still use the term "teabaggers" and accuse anyone who opposes their mindset racist.

I think the name Bush has been successfully dragged through the mud by the above-mentioned radicals to the point where running under that name would only be fodder for the media. Any good ideas he might have would be submarined by the constant anti-Bush whine from the left.

It' not a matter of good or bad ideas at this point. To the progressive led liberals, this is about destroying the competition.
Jason's personalities are just trying to silence the comparison of Carter to Obama and how they are or did destroy America. They want to make Bush their Carter. The difference is the economy was not in a good state when handed to Bush after Clinton. Also we had a terrorist attack on American soil. Carter only had inconstancy for a excuse similar to Obama. Obama has many more things like over 600 hours of golf, Wednesday parties every week, vacations for him and his wife separately on separate aircraft. Or even running his brewery. As he stated in the past he is getting lots of on the job training in many different areas.
phil

Oxford, MI

#578 Mar 17, 2013
phil wrote:
<quoted text>Jason's personalities are just trying to silence the comparison of Carter to Obama and how they are or did destroy America. They want to make Bush their Carter. The difference is the economy was not in a good state when handed to Bush after Clinton. Also we had a terrorist attack on American soil. Carter only had inconstancy for a excuse similar to Obama. Obama has many more things like over 600 hours of golf, Wednesday parties every week, vacations for him and his wife separately on separate aircraft. Or even running his brewery. As he stated in the past he is getting lots of on the job training in many different areas.
That was suppose to read: Carter only had Incompetency for a excuse similar to Obama.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#579 Mar 17, 2013
Lets see, after Carter there was Reagan for two terms. Then following Reagan was George H.W. Bush. So for 12 years following Carter it wasn't all straightened out that would mean just what?

History proves there were three recessions during Reagan, and he increased taxes 11 times.
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements...
Bush even called his previous boss'(Reagan) economic policies voodoo economics. Referring to Reagan's policies of trickle down economics.

So ya, the under-informed would call the conservatives handling of the economy nirvana.

Oh but it would be said that one of Reagan's recessions was inherited from Carter so that makes it different. Yet Obama not squaring away Bush's economic screw ups is unacceptable.

And I suppose Reagan starting out as s Democrat then turning Republican means what...

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/brad-bann...
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#580 Mar 17, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
Lets see, after Carter there was Reagan for two terms. Then following Reagan was George H.W. Bush. So for 12 years following Carter it wasn't all straightened out that would mean just what?
History proves there were three recessions during Reagan, and he increased taxes 11 times.
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements...
Bush even called his previous boss'(Reagan) economic policies voodoo economics. Referring to Reagan's policies of trickle down economics.
So ya, the under-informed would call the conservatives handling of the economy nirvana.
Oh but it would be said that one of Reagan's recessions was inherited from Carter so that makes it different. Yet Obama not squaring away Bush's economic screw ups is unacceptable.
And I suppose Reagan starting out as s Democrat then turning Republican means what...
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/brad-bann...
Means exactly nothing. After all, when Arlen Scepter went from Republican to Democrat for political expediency, it meant nothing. The only "sources" you have are blogs? never mind, it truly doesn't matter. You just like to sputter and spin. Have fun!
Really

Grand Rapids, MI

#581 Mar 17, 2013
Correction"Arlen Specter". Sorry

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Holland, MI

#582 Mar 17, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
Ya, take that Blue. We've been served by the politically savvy intellectual superior...snicker snicker cough
Maybe if we're lucky someday we'll figure out we're the ones that aren't tolerant and mature and out only to destroy the competition...choke
The "competition" is doing a pretty damn fine job of destroying themselves without our help.

Anything we can do to speed up their demise is just plain ol' fun.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#583 Mar 17, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Means exactly nothing. After all, when Arlen Scepter went from Republican to Democrat for political expediency, it meant nothing. The only "sources" you have are blogs? never mind, it truly doesn't matter. You just like to sputter and spin. Have fun!
So PoliFact is just a "blog" and US News "blog" is a opinion only "blog"?

So I'm up to seeing "actual" sources to dispute them. Bring em on.
phil

Oxford, MI

#584 Mar 17, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
Lets see, after Carter there was Reagan for two terms. Then following Reagan was George H.W. Bush. So for 12 years following Carter it wasn't all straightened out that would mean just what?

History proves there were three recessions during Reagan, and he increased taxes 11 times.
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements...
Bush even called his previous boss'(Reagan) economic policies voodoo economics. Referring to Reagan's policies of trickle down economics.

So ya, the under-informed would call the conservatives handling of the economy nirvana.

Oh but it would be said that one of Reagan's recessions was inherited from Carter so that makes it different. Yet Obama not squaring away Bush's economic screw ups is unacceptable.

And I suppose Reagan starting out as s Democrat then turning Republican means what...

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/brad-bann...
It is very simple. Was the economy better when Carter took office versus when he left office? Yes. Was the economy better when Reagan took office versus when he left? No. Was the economy in a downward spiral when Bush younger took office? Yes. Was there a terrorist attack during Bush's term that had a drastic effect on the economy? Yes. Those are facts. You could argue or throw in what ever else you want but those are the facts.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#585 Mar 17, 2013
phil wrote:
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It is very simple. Was the economy better when Carter took office versus when he left office? Yes. Was the economy better when Reagan took office versus when he left? No. Was the economy in a downward spiral when Bush younger took office? Yes. Was there a terrorist attack during Bush's term that had a drastic effect on the economy? Yes. Those are facts. You could argue or throw in what ever else you want but those are the facts.
I would be willing to see the evidence based in facts that the economy was in a downward spiral when Clinton left office.

For the sake of argument though lets say it was. Why would it not be Bush's fault for not pulling us out of the economic spin when it is Obama's fault for not having done it to the economy he inherited?

Because we were attacked on 9/11 and he started two wars that were uncalled for based on the emotional upset the country was in? I don't call those creditable reasoning for a chief executive. Which facts have shown the emotional upset the country was in was a convenient excuse for what he had planned to do before he was even elected to the presidency.

AND a president of rational thinking would not have lowered taxes when there were two wars to be fought and payed for. But the administrations beliefs were by Cheney's own words deficits are nothing to be concerned with. As they are today...according to Cheney.
"The former vice president, the reinvigorated new owner of a transplanted ticker, went to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to advise Republicans on budget strategy as Washington heads for the "fiscal cliff." And Cheney's message hadn't changed a bit since the days, early in the George W. Bush administration, when he told the treasury secretary not to worry about deficits."
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2...

My point being, as it always has been, the right is so keen on blaming Obama for not clearing up the deficit he inherited, and increasing it as they have claimed he has, when they are willing to give Bush a "pass" for not doing the same thing expected of Obama. It's disingenuous...to be polite about it.
phil

Oxford, MI

#586 Mar 17, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
<quoted text>I would be willing to see the evidence based in facts that the economy was in a downward spiral when Clinton left office.

For the sake of argument though lets say it was. Why would it not be Bush's fault for not pulling us out of the economic spin when it is Obama's fault for not having done it to the economy he inherited?

Because we were attacked on 9/11 and he started two wars that were uncalled for based on the emotional upset the country was in? I don't call those creditable reasoning for a chief executive. Which facts have shown the emotional upset the country was in was a convenient excuse for what he had planned to do before he was even elected to the presidency.

AND a president of rational thinking would not have lowered taxes when there were two wars to be fought and payed for. But the administrations beliefs were by Cheney's own words deficits are nothing to be concerned with. As they are today...according to Cheney.
"The former vice president, the reinvigorated new owner of a transplanted ticker, went to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to advise Republicans on budget strategy as Washington heads for the "fiscal cliff." And Cheney's message hadn't changed a bit since the days, early in the George W. Bush administration, when he told the treasury secretary not to worry about deficits."
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2...

My point being, as it always has been, the right is so keen on blaming Obama for not clearing up the deficit he inherited, and increasing it as they have claimed he has, when they are willing to give Bush a "pass" for not doing the same thing expected of Obama. It's disingenuous...to be polite about it.
So you admit that I am correct. Now you want to move to something else.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#587 Mar 17, 2013
yes, but all of your logic and reasoning will be lost on 'phil' and all of his other topix personalities. I wonder if 'phil' even realizes why dozens of his recent comments were deleted by Topix.

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