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Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#167 Nov 9, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Your selective outrage is duly noted......
Herr Bush lied, FAUX News continues to lie through it's teeth, but according to the current crop of fanatical patriots, those things can be forgiven...
Obama Lied..... The end of the world is upon us!
Maybe if you held everyone to the same standard. Just saying!
Wow, Bob, I know times are desperate for you democrats, what with your HumptyCare chickens coming home to roost all over the reelection chances of your terrified representatives and all, to say nothing of the legacy of Chairman Oba-Mau, but still conjuring up "it's Bush's fault" tantrums???

You need to dust yourself off and find some new material that relates to the current decade! LOL

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#168 Nov 9, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Then put up YOUR links proving the BS you just typed. Of course, that should be really interesting since virtually every news outlet is reporting that a whopping 6 citizens have signed up in DC. You and the pipester really need to find better sources for your information or take your trucks and go play with the little kids.
Somehow he thinks he's capable of gathering better information than every news media source on the planet. Not that I believe all of them either but as you say in this case the information appears to be the same across the board.
Oh well...
Really

Grandville, MI

#169 Nov 9, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Somehow he thinks he's capable of gathering better information than every news media source on the planet. Not that I believe all of them either but as you say in this case the information appears to be the same across the board.
Oh well...
It's unfortunate that these type of people think that name calling, profanity, and changing other people's posts make them smart and above everyone else. Their arrogance will be their undoing as we have seen time and time again.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#170 Nov 9, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Then put up YOUR links proving the BS you just typed. Of course, that should be really interesting since virtually every news outlet is reporting that a whopping 6 citizens have signed up in DC. You and the pipester really need to find better sources for your information or take your trucks and go play with the little kids.
Even though that's funny as hell coming from "she who never provides links", I won't stoop to your idiotic reply of look for it yourself.

"But DC HealthLink spokesman Richard Sorian says the insurers’ enrollment figures are “not an accurate depiction of the strong level of interest in the District of Columbia in obtaining quality, affordable health insurance.”

As of Oct. 21, 321 DC residents and 426 small business had selected a health plan, Sorian said. Consumers have until Dec. 15 and small businesses have until Dec. 12 to pay for coverage to start on Jan. 1.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/obamaca...

Gosh...... I wonder why such a quality news organization like FAUX News wouldn't even bother to get a quote like that from the people who are in charge of that program.

Then again, maybe the response didn't fit a predetermined slant!
Sassy

Rochester, MI

#171 Nov 9, 2013
Great news! I have joined the Christian Reformed Church! I was actually quite surprised that they accepted African Americans into their fold from time to time. Lucky me!!! I know that I'll be serving drinks and cleaning up after them for a few years, but in time I will become a full member with all the added benefits that come with the windmill coven. You all should seriously consider joining as well. The CRC is the only path to salvation. Hallelujah!
Really

Grandville, MI

#172 Nov 9, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Even though that's funny as hell coming from "she who never provides links", I won't stoop to your idiotic reply of look for it yourself.
"But DC HealthLink spokesman Richard Sorian says the insurers’ enrollment figures are “not an accurate depiction of the strong level of interest in the District of Columbia in obtaining quality, affordable health insurance.”
As of Oct. 21, 321 DC residents and 426 small business had selected a health plan, Sorian said. Consumers have until Dec. 15 and small businesses have until Dec. 12 to pay for coverage to start on Jan. 1.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/obamaca...
Gosh...... I wonder why such a quality news organization like FAUX News wouldn't even bother to get a quote like that from the people who are in charge of that program.
Then again, maybe the response didn't fit a predetermined slant!
Apparently they didn't provide enough pictures for you there Bobby? From your own link, the 6 that signed up paid their first month's premium. The others? Yeah, they're interested, but haven't signed up and haven't paid their premiums. See, I don't need Fox News to get my news. Apparently you, on the other hand, can't find anything but half the news to use. And Fox hasn't made any other comment other than the fact that 6 had signed up AND paid their premiums already. Your rectal cranial procedure is an epic fail. You should really try to get your money back.
Bob

Big Rapids, MI

#173 Nov 11, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently they didn't provide enough pictures for you there Bobby? From your own link, the 6 that signed up paid their first month's premium. The others? Yeah, they're interested, but haven't signed up and haven't paid their premiums. See, I don't need Fox News to get my news. Apparently you, on the other hand, can't find anything but half the news to use. And Fox hasn't made any other comment other than the fact that 6 had signed up AND paid their premiums already. Your rectal cranial procedure is an epic fail. You should really try to get your money back.
I must have something wrong for me to believe that the conservative drones would refuse to see the difference between a FAUX News story and the truth......

The good news is that I know the truth, and you will be forced to confront the real story at some point!

Do you remember election night? Back when FAUX News was all in a tither about Obama's victory, you were all sitting on the edge of your seats praying to your non-existent Gawd that Newt was right and Mittens still had a chance.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#174 Nov 11, 2013
Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 01:12 PM PST
Another Health Insurer Caught Falsely Cancelling Thousands of Health Plans

Following the report that Insurer Humana was fined $65,000 in Kentucky for sending out 6,500 misleading cancellation letters for low-premiums plans only to be automatic re-enrollment in high cost plans before these customers were given a chance to shop on the open exchange for a better and cheaper plan - we now have a new report that Anthem Blue Cross is being sued for tricking people into dropping their "grandfathered" plans.

And it gets worse ...

The lawsuits, filed Monday in Superior Court, may signal an emerging customer pushback against the approximately 900,000 cancellations in California alone of individual health insurance policies that will take effect Dec. 31.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254...

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#175 Nov 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 01:12 PM PST
Another Health Insurer Caught Falsely Cancelling Thousands of Health Plans
Following the report that Insurer Humana was fined $65,000 in Kentucky for sending out 6,500 misleading cancellation letters for low-premiums plans only to be automatic re-enrollment in high cost plans before these customers were given a chance to shop on the open exchange for a better and cheaper plan - we now have a new report that Anthem Blue Cross is being sued for tricking people into dropping their "grandfathered" plans.
And it gets worse ...
The lawsuits, filed Monday in Superior Court, may signal an emerging customer pushback against the approximately 900,000 cancellations in California alone of individual health insurance policies that will take effect Dec. 31.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254...
Ok...let's review...anyone and everyone with half a brain knows insurance companies are crooks...we all know that.
In this case, is there any information that the insurance companies have been doing this prior to Obamacare?
Is there any information that they intended to do this prior to Obamacare?
If there is any information proving either of the above, why was there not a huge outcry before Obamacare?
And lastly, just what new law recently enabled and encouraged this type of behavior from said insurance companies?
I'll help you out with the "minimum requirements" and a statement by Obama saying you could keep your insurance if you liked it leaving literally hundreds of thousands if not millions unprepared for what was to come.

4 simple, easy questions, 4 answers please.
Talepipe

Jenison, MI

#176 Nov 11, 2013
Sassy wrote:
Great news! I have joined the Christian Reformed Church! I was actually quite surprised that they accepted African Americans into their fold from time to time. Lucky me!!! I know that I'll be serving drinks and cleaning up after them for a few years, but in time I will become a full member with all the added benefits that come with the windmill coven. You all should seriously consider joining as well. The CRC is the only path to salvation. Hallelujah!
Congratulations Sassy! Some say there are too many hypocrites in the CRC but there's always room for one more.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#177 Nov 11, 2013
1. In this case, is there any information that the insurance companies have been doing this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.

2.Is there any information that they intended to do this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.

3. If there is any information proving either of the above, why was there not a huge outcry before Obamacare? THERE WAS A HUGE OUTCRY - HENCE, OBAMACARE ENACTED.

4. And lastly, just what new law recently enabled and encouraged this type of behavior from said insurance companies? THE LAW DIDN'T CAUSE INSURERS TO USE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES, LYING, STEALING FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVING THEIR PROFIT MARGINS BY RIPPING OFF THEIR CUSTOMERS.

And I'm still waiting for you to post proofs for your claims made the other day.

NEXT!!

“Where I came from”

Since: Jan 09

the universe

#178 Nov 11, 2013
I am glad I don't have or need a doctor or insurance so I don't have to be concerned with this for I knew from the beginning it would turn out to be a nightmare for millions of people, by design of course. So good luck to all of you conformists who just want to go over the cliff I wont be joining you...

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#179 Nov 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
1. In this case, is there any information that the insurance companies have been doing this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.
2.Is there any information that they intended to do this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.
3. If there is any information proving either of the above, why was there not a huge outcry before Obamacare? THERE WAS A HUGE OUTCRY - HENCE, OBAMACARE ENACTED.
4. And lastly, just what new law recently enabled and encouraged this type of behavior from said insurance companies? THE LAW DIDN'T CAUSE INSURERS TO USE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES, LYING, STEALING FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVING THEIR PROFIT MARGINS BY RIPPING OFF THEIR CUSTOMERS.
And I'm still waiting for you to post proofs for your claims made the other day.
NEXT!!
As is typical of you your answers you have no statistical backing. You have no proof that the insurance companies were about to cancel thousands if not millions of policies in October and November of 2013...none, notta, zip, zero.
The law gave the insurance companies yet another way to rip people off. Obama stating that if people liked their insurance policy they could keep it left thousands if not millions at a disadvantage not realizing their policy could/would be canceled.
Obamacare enabled insurance companies to rip people off and Obama helped them.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#180 Nov 11, 2013
and you have no proof they would not have cancelled thousands of policies wiggles. Insurers have been doing that for YEARS. The point of the article is that insurers are using deceptive practices to trick policy holders for no other reason but to improve their bottom line and they claimed ACA as a reason for doing so. Where are you getting that Obamacare made them do it? Are you going to deny that before ACA hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people were routinely denied coverages due to pre-existing conditions? Or that policies were not routinely cancelled for any reason the insurers decided to make up?
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#181 Nov 11, 2013
The very fact that Pre-ACA insurers routinely denied insurance to millions with pre-existing conditions or cancelled or materially changed policies whenever they wanted for just about any reason they chose, in effect CANCELLED or DENIED millions of affordable or meaningful health insurance.

Stop with your b.s. wiggles spinning the articles I posted into "OBAMACARE IS TO BLAME BECAUSE OBAMACARE MADE INSURERS DO IT."

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#182 Nov 11, 2013
pipedream wrote:
and you have no proof they would not have cancelled thousands of policies wiggles. Insurers have been doing that for YEARS. The point of the article is that insurers are using deceptive practices to trick policy holders for no other reason but to improve their bottom line and they claimed ACA as a reason for doing so. Where are you getting that Obamacare made them do it? Are you going to deny that before ACA hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people were routinely denied coverages due to pre-existing conditions? Or that policies were not routinely cancelled for any reason the insurers decided to make up?
Here are your answers to 2 of my questions...
1. In this case, is there any information that the insurance companies have been doing this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.

2.Is there any information that they intended to do this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.

I made no claim either way...you did...with no links or statistical proof of your claims.

And I never made any claim that Obamacare "made" them do anything...if I did show me. What I did say is that Obamacare enabled them...

If you could only learn to read and assemble information in such a way that you could comprehend what you just read you might amount to something.
Really

Grandville, MI

#183 Nov 11, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are your answers to 2 of my questions...
1. In this case, is there any information that the insurance companies have been doing this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.
2.Is there any information that they intended to do this prior to Obamacare? YES, PLENTY.
I made no claim either way...you did...with no links or statistical proof of your claims.
And I never made any claim that Obamacare "made" them do anything...if I did show me. What I did say is that Obamacare enabled them...
If you could only learn to read and assemble information in such a way that you could comprehend what you just read you might amount to something.
You are giving bobby/pipester waaaaay too much credit Wiggley for having the comprehension skills AND the skills to back up their BS arguments with links. They can't do either despite all their desperate claims to the contrary. Their backup is "Plenty" and "lots" and "a bunch." Just one more example of how the education system in this country has failed.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#184 Nov 11, 2013
The articles I posted and other links I've posted previously demonstrate quite well the points I've made and show that its not Obamacare that is at fault, as you would have stated a number of times, but the insurers who are to blame, not only for why Obamacare became law in the first place, but for continuing their charade while misleading, lying and stealing from honest people, all to the detriment of the country, so that they can improve their profit margins.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#185 Nov 11, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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enabled not made?
There's a difference? That's your whole argument? LOL ...

Not only are you a liar but you're a con-artist, much like the insurance industry.

Spinmeister much?

“Peace Love”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#186 Nov 11, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>You are giving bobby/pipester waaaaay too much credit Wiggley for having the comprehension skills AND the skills to back up their BS arguments with links. They can't do either despite all their desperate claims to the contrary. Their backup is "Plenty" and "lots" and "a bunch." Just one more example of how the education system in this country has failed.
He's fun to play with...I realize that's an admission of taking advantage of someone who deserves to be taken advantage of because of their unfounded baseless beliefs but...oh well...ya gotta do what ya gotta do...

Take care...I see the weather is gonna get interesting back in Michigan...

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