pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#229 Nov 14, 2013
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>He wont sign up for it. Us liberals will just pay the $95 fine for not signing up, and get the same health care as the rest of you people that pay $600 a month for.
That's the beauty of Obama care! We get it for free, and you people pay for it! I love Obama care!
I'm glad I don't have a job! Why should I look for one, when you people pay for everything!
If I had a job,.....they would want to make a deduction from my paycheck for health care!
Why would I do that when I can get Obama care for free?
Now get to work, so you can pay taxes, and pay for my health care!
You get Obamacare for free? Show us smart ass.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#230 Nov 14, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Given the myriad of questions you have not answered, just on this thread alone, I'm inclined to tell you to stuff it.
I am, however, wanting to ask what specifically you are seeking and also would ask that you also answer questions that have been asked of you.
If those terms are acceptable let me know.
Prove your claim that Obama exempted himself, Congress and Congressional staffers from Obamacare. You said you had a number of sources that will show this is true. Lets see them wiggles, or if you're unwilling or unable to back up your claim, Your're a liar. Its that simple. You called Obama a liar for something he said, lets see you show us that what you posted here is not also a lie.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#231 Nov 14, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>Prove your claim that Obama exempted himself, Congress and Congressional staffers from Obamacare. You said you had a number of sources that will show this is true. Lets see them wiggles, or if you're unwilling or unable to back up your claim, Your're a liar. Its that simple. You called Obama a liar for something he said, lets see you show us that what you posted here is not also a lie.
"Also a lie" so you admit it was a lie. Of course it was a lie. You are one dumb poledancer. Get to work Qboy!
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#232 Nov 14, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Oh he will end up signing up for it one way or the other and then he will be very quiet as most cowards are.
Lol. Dream on Cluck-cluck. My plan is very safe and secure - it met the requirements -- all of them -- 35+ years ago. Its not going to change. But since you're so sure, I have to believe you've been motivated already checked out the plans on the exchange. Your employer (questionable if you actually have one) is cancelling your plan and suggesting you go the way of the exchange aren't they? If you 'Really' are employed, your policy must be very schitty. You must not have very good health insurance. You realize now how that sucks don't you?:)
Really

Wyoming, MI

#233 Nov 14, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. Dream on Cluck-cluck. My plan is very safe and secure - it met the requirements -- all of them -- 35+ years ago. Its not going to change. But since you're so sure, I have to believe you've been motivated already checked out the plans on the exchange. Your employer (questionable if you actually have one) is cancelling your plan and suggesting you go the way of the exchange aren't they? If you 'Really' are employed, your policy must be very schitty. You must not have very good health insurance. You realize now how that sucks don't you?:)
See, that's how truly foolish you are. My employer offers a choice from 4 different plans and ALL meet the requirements of the ACA so no changes needed to be made. And the best part? Our contributions went up $3 per pay period. Didn't look at the exchanges, don't have to unlike you who sleeps in Mommy's basement. Too bad you don't truly know what requirements are since the exchanges aren't all of that and a bag of chips. You just proved what ASSuming does, there pipester/bobby. Too bad you have to rely on a union to protect your sorry behind.
Phil

Oxford, MI

#234 Nov 14, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>Lol. Dream on Cluck-cluck. My plan is very safe and secure - it met the requirements -- all of them -- 35+ years ago. Its not going to change. But since you're so sure, I have to believe you've been motivated already checked out the plans on the exchange. Your employer (questionable if you actually have one) is cancelling your plan and suggesting you go the way of the exchange aren't they? If you 'Really' are employed, your policy must be very schitty. You must not have very good health insurance. You realize now how that sucks don't you?:)
I'm sure your right about that Jason. The Rainbow Club most likely has very good health care plans. Those sexual activities that go on there could kill ya. Now STFU and get to work.
Bob

Jenison, MI

#235 Nov 14, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
You get Obamacare for free? Show us smart ass.
You prove that you don't!

Get a JOB and start paying for it yourself!
It's liberal pukes like you that are causing every ones insurance rates to go up.
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#237 Nov 15, 2013
corrections:
* FAILED
* buy
Oneal

Grand Rapids, MI

#238 Nov 15, 2013
UPDATE - Two state insurance commissioners have already pulled the plug on Obama's "fix." Both are...Democrats.

Their reasoning? It's destructive and logistically infeasible -- which is exactly what Kathleen Sebelius argued last week, back when the administration was still against this sort of thing.

Meanwhile, over in the Senate, Democrats aren't mollified by Obama's scheme. In fact, they began telling reporters it wasn't good enough midway through the president's egregious performance.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/1...
Really

Wyoming, MI

#239 Nov 15, 2013
Oneal wrote:
UPDATE - Two state insurance commissioners have already pulled the plug on Obama's "fix." Both are...Democrats.
Their reasoning? It's destructive and logistically infeasible -- which is exactly what Kathleen Sebelius argued last week, back when the administration was still against this sort of thing.
Meanwhile, over in the Senate, Democrats aren't mollified by Obama's scheme. In fact, they began telling reporters it wasn't good enough midway through the president's egregious performance.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/1...
The question I enjoyed most yesterday was: Yeah, tell the state insurance commissioners they have to let the people keep those policies, however, can they keep them at the rate they previously had or will the rate go up since everyone knows once you cancel a policy, you don't get that rate back? Arrogance personified, that's our President.
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#240 Nov 15, 2013
Really wrote:
Arrogance personified, that's our President.
Arrogance is thinking that he can change the requirements of a law just by his word. Sorry, Mr. President...changes to the law will require legislation, not the word of a dictator wannabe.
pipedream

Grand Blanc, MI

#241 Nov 15, 2013
I would like to know what you righties are so upset about when it comes to the ACA. It's nothing more than moderate insurance reform.

Employers have mandated the choices for insurance carriers for plans offered via work for decades. Guess what? That's still the same. Hasn't changed a bit. It's still up to your employer. Just completed my annual sign up and it was business as usual (other than it was easier than usual because of the bronze, gold thing to make a choice).

There is no federal health insurance plan. Medicare is not being expanded. There is no public option. The only "state run" plans are at the state level and have been in existence for quite a while. Exchanges in those states also offer coverage plans via private carriers.

The two big changes brought about are: 1) Expansion of Medicaid; and 2) the Insurance Exchanges for people who buy in the individual market as opposed to most of us who receive insurance through work. If you have insurance available through work or via your union or whatever, you're not eligible to go on the exchanges. That's around 90-95% of us. The website and all that doesn't affect you.

Medicaid? It's all paid for in the law. There is no tax increase to expand Medicaid, a basic insurance plan for the desperately poor. "Oh, they should pay for it like i have to." A: 1) They don't have the money, you have to be desperately poor to qualify for Medicaid; and 2) The ones who don't have Medicaid show up at emergency rooms, which are mandated by law to treat the indigent. It's MUCH more expensive to treat routine problems in emergency rooms than in a doctor's office. Expanding Medicaid will save the government and you money because you already subsidize them with higher insurance premiums you pay to help cover the additional emergency room costs that government reimbursements don't.

You're against insurers no longer being able to deny you a policy because you have high blood pressure, diabetes, or some other chronic condition?

You're against insurance companies dropping your policy if you become seriously ill, essentially declaring you totaled like a car because they deem it too expensive to fix you?

You're against being able to keep your kid on your family policy until they get through grad school?

You're against your insurer having to cover routine preventive care procedures like mammograms and colonoscopies and physicals at no cost to you other than your monthly premium?

The individual mandate? That's an idea that came right out of the right wing Heritage Foundation think tank back in the 1990s. The same organization now headed by wing nut Jim DeMint. Even here, if you read the law the IRS has been rendered powerless to enforce the tax penalty. Check out page 133 of the law.

What is it that has you guys so whacked out over this?
free thinker

Farmington, MI

#242 Nov 15, 2013
pipedream wrote:
A buch of plagiarized stuff
Nice cut and past job there, pippybob. Generally when you post someone else's stuff, one posts a link to where it came from. Typical of a progressive, though...
Rob

United States

#243 Nov 15, 2013
pipedream wrote:
I would like to know what you righties are so upset about when it comes to the ACA. It's nothing more than moderate insurance reform.

Employers have mandated the choices for insurance carriers for plans offered via work for decades. Guess what? That's still the same. Hasn't changed a bit. It's still up to your employer. Just completed my annual sign up and it was business as usual (other than it was easier than usual because of the bronze, gold thing to make a choice).

There is no federal health insurance plan. Medicare is not being expanded. There is no public option. The only "state run" plans are at the state level and have been in existence for quite a while. Exchanges in those states also offer coverage plans via private carriers.

The two big changes brought about are: 1) Expansion of Medicaid; and 2) the Insurance Exchanges for people who buy in the individual market as opposed to most of us who receive insurance through work. If you have insurance available through work or via your union or whatever, you're not eligible to go on the exchanges. That's around 90-95% of us. The website and all that doesn't affect you.

Medicaid? It's all paid for in the law. There is no tax increase to expand Medicaid, a basic insurance plan for the desperately poor. "Oh, they should pay for it like i have to." A: 1) They don't have the money, you have to be desperately poor to qualify for Medicaid; and 2) The ones who don't have Medicaid show up at emergency rooms, which are mandated by law to treat the indigent. It's MUCH more expensive to treat routine problems in emergency rooms than in a doctor's office. Expanding Medicaid will save the government and you money because you already subsidize them with higher insurance premiums you pay to help cover the additional emergency room costs that government reimbursements don't.

You're against insurers no longer being able to deny you a policy because you have high blood pressure, diabetes, or some other chronic condition?

You're against insurance companies dropping your policy if you become seriously ill, essentially declaring you totaled like a car because they deem it too expensive to fix you?

You're against being able to keep your kid on your family policy until they get through grad school?

You're against your insurer having to cover routine preventive care procedures like mammograms and colonoscopies and physicals at no cost to you other than your monthly premium?

The individual mandate? That's an idea that came right out of the right wing Heritage Foundation think tank back in the 1990s. The same organization now headed by wing nut Jim DeMint. Even here, if you read the law the IRS has been rendered powerless to enforce the tax penalty. Check out page 133 of the law.

What is it that has you guys so whacked out over this?
It does not matter what your cut and paste crap says. Face it, this presidents approval rating on Obamacare is dropping as fast as your pants at the Rainbow Club. Lol

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#244 Nov 15, 2013
pipedream wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol. Dream on Cluck-cluck. My plan is very safe and secure - it met the requirements -- all of them -- 35+ years ago. Its not going to change. But since you're so sure, I have to believe you've been motivated already checked out the plans on the exchange. Your employer (questionable if you actually have one) is cancelling your plan and suggesting you go the way of the exchange aren't they? If you 'Really' are employed, your policy must be very schitty. You must not have very good health insurance. You realize now how that sucks don't you?:)
So what you are revealing here is you have not had to try to access the webpage, not had to try to create and account, not had to worry about the security of the website, not had to try to compare plans or pricing, not had to realize the limitations Obamacare would put upon you, and yet...you defend it like it's something wonderful in spite to the overwhelming evidence that it's junk and worthless. You ignore every news media (all of them) that are questioning the validity of this horrible law.
Even your less-than popular idol of a leader has had to illegally try to modify the requirements to satisify his own party to save his ass from total abandonment.

Oh well, at least you have revealed you have no first hand experience and therefore you opinion is blinded.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#245 Nov 15, 2013
pipedream wrote:
I would like to know what you righties are so upset about when it comes to the ACA. It's nothing more than moderate insurance reform.
Employers have mandated the choices for insurance carriers for plans offered via work for decades. Guess what? That's still the same. Hasn't changed a bit. It's still up to your employer. Just completed my annual sign up and it was business as usual (other than it was easier than usual because of the bronze, gold thing to make a choice).
There is no federal health insurance plan. Medicare is not being expanded. There is no public option. The only "state run" plans are at the state level and have been in existence for quite a while. Exchanges in those states also offer coverage plans via private carriers.
The two big changes brought about are: 1) Expansion of Medicaid; and 2) the Insurance Exchanges for people who buy in the individual market as opposed to most of us who receive insurance through work. If you have insurance available through work or via your union or whatever, you're not eligible to go on the exchanges. That's around 90-95% of us. The website and all that doesn't affect you.
Medicaid? It's all paid for in the law. There is no tax increase to expand Medicaid, a basic insurance plan for the desperately poor. "Oh, they should pay for it like i have to." A: 1) They don't have the money, you have to be desperately poor to qualify for Medicaid; and 2) The ones who don't have Medicaid show up at emergency rooms, which are mandated by law to treat the indigent. It's MUCH more expensive to treat routine problems in emergency rooms than in a doctor's office. Expanding Medicaid will save the government and you money because you already subsidize them with higher insurance premiums you pay to help cover the additional emergency room costs that government reimbursements don't.
You're against insurers no longer being able to deny you a policy because you have high blood pressure, diabetes, or some other chronic condition?
You're against insurance companies dropping your policy if you become seriously ill, essentially declaring you totaled like a car because they deem it too expensive to fix you?
You're against being able to keep your kid on your family policy until they get through grad school?
You're against your insurer having to cover routine preventive care procedures like mammograms and colonoscopies and physicals at no cost to you other than your monthly premium?
The individual mandate? That's an idea that came right out of the right wing Heritage Foundation think tank back in the 1990s. The same organization now headed by wing nut Jim DeMint. Even here, if you read the law the IRS has been rendered powerless to enforce the tax penalty. Check out page 133 of the law.
What is it that has you guys so whacked out over this?
If it's so wonderful why isn't every member of congress and all their staff lining up to sign up??
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Fenton, MI

#246 Nov 15, 2013
Why is the law in existence from the Federal Govt? The makers are being taxed at a higher rate to give to the non producers....... Lots of wasted taxpayer money....... They are just raiding our fridge.......
James

Grand Rapids, MI

#247 Nov 15, 2013
Pipester, this is why I donít want Obamacare, or as YOU call it ACA. There is a whole lot of personal information that they would be gathering from you that has nothing to do with your health. We have no idea who is going to be viewing that information. For instance, did you know you have to provide your bank account numbers to the healthcare network? Do you know why? It is because if you cannot pay your bill, they will automatically take it out of your account without your permission. Do you want someone to take your money out of your account without your knowledge? I donít!

Another major problem is that this is a breeding ground for hackers and identity thieves. Have you thought about that? Your whole life will be out there for anyone to look at. Nothing about you will be personal. There is so much potential for people to misuse the information, you think your providing for your healthcare network, to be sold or used for other purposes. Call me scared or what, but I want to take every precaution that I can to protect me and my family. And this is a major concern for me, maybe not you. Like I asked before, why not cancel your insurance and sign up for Obamacare? Oh Iím sorry, ACA.
Really

Wyoming, MI

#248 Nov 15, 2013
James wrote:
Pipester, this is why I donít want Obamacare, or as YOU call it ACA. There is a whole lot of personal information that they would be gathering from you that has nothing to do with your health. We have no idea who is going to be viewing that information. For instance, did you know you have to provide your bank account numbers to the healthcare network? Do you know why? It is because if you cannot pay your bill, they will automatically take it out of your account without your permission. Do you want someone to take your money out of your account without your knowledge? I donít!
Another major problem is that this is a breeding ground for hackers and identity thieves. Have you thought about that? Your whole life will be out there for anyone to look at. Nothing about you will be personal. There is so much potential for people to misuse the information, you think your providing for your healthcare network, to be sold or used for other purposes. Call me scared or what, but I want to take every precaution that I can to protect me and my family. And this is a major concern for me, maybe not you. Like I asked before, why not cancel your insurance and sign up for Obamacare? Oh Iím sorry, ACA.
Pipester just revealed that he isn't participating in the website because he "doesn't have to". See, he doesn't truly care if it ruins lives and takes more money from paychecks to cover those who either can't or won't have insurance. Once he sees the true ramifications, he will be either singing a different tune or do what most progressives/libs do...go totally, awkwardly silent. He has ZERO clue what it costs to keep your children on your policy until age 26, even IF they qualify for insurance under their own employer. He has ZERO clue of the costs for all the mandates, and frankly, he doesn't care. "It doesn't affect me" syndrome is alive and well in the progressive party.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#249 Nov 15, 2013
James wrote:
Pipester, this is why I donít want Obamacare, or as YOU call it ACA. There is a whole lot of personal information that they would be gathering from you that has nothing to do with your health. We have no idea who is going to be viewing that information. For instance, did you know you have to provide your bank account numbers to the healthcare network? Do you know why? It is because if you cannot pay your bill, they will automatically take it out of your account without your permission. Do you want someone to take your money out of your account without your knowledge? I donít!
Another major problem is that this is a breeding ground for hackers and identity thieves. Have you thought about that? Your whole life will be out there for anyone to look at. Nothing about you will be personal. There is so much potential for people to misuse the information, you think your providing for your healthcare network, to be sold or used for other purposes. Call me scared or what, but I want to take every precaution that I can to protect me and my family. And this is a major concern for me, maybe not you. Like I asked before, why not cancel your insurance and sign up for Obamacare? Oh Iím sorry, ACA.
Here you go James...be afraid, very afraid...it is one of many reasons I will not even visit that site for any reason...
http://washingtonexaminer.com/tech-experts-ad...

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