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Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Southfield, MI

#63 Jan 3, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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Zero liability? Well if you haven't hit the top 5% you just aren't working hard enough. Better get to it.
That's why I like you..... Good wit but no real world experience..... Hope you had a good holiday week.
Batch 37 Pain Is Good

Southfield, MI

#64 Jan 3, 2013
Oh, and I paid for that....
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#65 Jan 3, 2013
Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote:
<quoted text>That's why I like you..... Good wit but no real world experience..... Hope you had a good holiday week.
No real world experience. That's why I liked George Carlin so much. He had this way of wit pointing out people like you that even when experiencing real life they still didn't get it.

Since: Oct 12

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#66 Jan 3, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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Zero liability? Well if you haven't hit the top 5% you just aren't working hard enough. Better get to it.
Though many here, hate to admit it, this country continues it's economic recovery...despite the negativity, today they announced last year's total auto and truck sales, were the best in the last 5 years.....That, along with recent news on new building and construction are tremendous economic indicators....

Since: Oct 12

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#68 Jan 3, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Jason you have been saying the same thing on and off for about 2 years now.
Yeah, just imagine that?...optimism, and on this forum.....Eh, Linda...
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#69 Jan 3, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Though many here, hate to admit it, this country continues it's economic recovery...despite the negativity, today they announced last year's total auto and truck sales, were the best in the last 5 years.....That, along with recent news on new building and construction are tremendous economic indicators....
Shhhh. What do you want to do, upset them even more that more of what they say comes out of the deeper dizzy zone? They'll have to take even more meth to escape the reality.

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#72 Jan 4, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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How is it made up talking points to say those making well into the six figures [even] paying the Federal income taxes, if and/or when they do are not living in the overall economy better than those not making the six figure incomes and paying no Federal income taxes at all? How is it made up talking points to say those not making the six figure incomes are still paying Federal taxes included in the prices of what they buy?
I am not so invested in this argument that I want to take a bunch of time out of my day to be digging through the entire IRS site to find the tables you are talking about. When I post a site to back up my points I don't post the home site and expect the other to dig through and find what I'm talking about. I post the page directly. For whatever reason I am not finding the tables you are talking about on the IRS home site. I don't see any tables tab to be clicking you said to.
Having not seen the tables you are referring to; because the IRS lists out tax obligations doesn't include the allowed for deductions and/or write offs included in the individual filers final filing.
Like I said, I am not so invested in this argument to go on a treasure hunt to find what you are claiming as your proofs. If you want me to see it post the direct page link. I would be thrown out of court by the judge and lose the case if I stated my arguments expecting the judge and opposing counsel to go look them up where I said they could find them.
You are acting like those living in the upper income levels are the same type of people who live at the lower levels. They aren't. For example according to the Census in 2011, 62% of the bottom 5th had no one earning any money! No full time or even part time workers. Only 19% had one full time worker. Among the top 5% in income 22% had one earner and 77% had two or more earners. 80% had full time workers. Only 16% of the bottom group is headed up by a married couple versus 82% of the top 5% group. Education levels are very different as well.

So yes, someone who hasn't graduated from HS, is a single parent and doesn't work at any job is not living as well as the family that has both a mom and dad, both graduated from college and both work full time. But that's a silly comparison. One of my kids is working at her first job out of school. I'm been working a long time and 30+ years older than her. Guess what? She's not living as well as I do. Her standard of living dropped significantly when she left home. But none of us expect her to stay there.
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#73 Jan 4, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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You are acting like those living in the upper income levels are the same type of people who live at the lower levels. They aren't. For example according to the Census in 2011, 62% of the bottom 5th had no one earning any money! No full time or even part time workers. Only 19% had one full time worker. Among the top 5% in income 22% had one earner and 77% had two or more earners. 80% had full time workers. Only 16% of the bottom group is headed up by a married couple versus 82% of the top 5% group. Education levels are very different as well.
So yes, someone who hasn't graduated from HS, is a single parent and doesn't work at any job is not living as well as the family that has both a mom and dad, both graduated from college and both work full time. But that's a silly comparison. One of my kids is working at her first job out of school. I'm been working a long time and 30+ years older than her. Guess what? She's not living as well as I do. Her standard of living dropped significantly when she left home. But none of us expect her to stay there.
What has that got to do with the subject? No one expects those who earn less to live as well as those who earn more. So why is it that those who earn so much more expect they shouldn't have to pay more?
Oh woe is me that I have to pay Federal Income tax while all those "takers" don't have to. Pay no attention to I can live so much higher than those "takers" because I've worked hard for what I make and if they'd just work hard they could too....regardless of I get to "set the wages" they make AND set the wages I make.

And to stick with the subject; how grossly unfair it is for those who inherit over $5Million they didn't have to put forth any labor for should have to pay a tax on as unearned income on the Federal level. On top of the inheritance taxes being lowered. And it degrades your argument in that Michigan doesn't collect an inheritance tax as of 2007. And California has no inheritance tax as of January 01, 2005. Along with most other states collecting no inheritance taxes.
That $5Million on the Federal level as of 2011, increase to $5.12Million for 2012 and 2013.

Excuse me. I have to go get a hanky to wipe the tears I'm crying over all these picked on people.
While I'm gone getting it and wiping my tears you can read this.
http://www.cbpp.org/files/estatetaxmyths.pdf

Since: Feb 10

Grand Rapids, MI

#74 Jan 5, 2013
SeenItBefore wrote:
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What has that got to do with the subject? No one expects those who earn less to live as well as those who earn more. So why is it that those who earn so much more expect they shouldn't have to pay more?
Oh woe is me that I have to pay Federal Income tax while all those "takers" don't have to. Pay no attention to I can live so much higher than those "takers" because I've worked hard for what I make and if they'd just work hard they could too....regardless of I get to "set the wages" they make AND set the wages I make.
And to stick with the subject; how grossly unfair it is for those who inherit over $5Million they didn't have to put forth any labor for should have to pay a tax on as unearned income on the Federal level. On top of the inheritance taxes being lowered. And it degrades your argument in that Michigan doesn't collect an inheritance tax as of 2007. And California has no inheritance tax as of January 01, 2005. Along with most other states collecting no inheritance taxes.
That $5Million on the Federal level as of 2011, increase to $5.12Million for 2012 and 2013.
Excuse me. I have to go get a hanky to wipe the tears I'm crying over all these picked on people.
While I'm gone getting it and wiping my tears you can read this.
http://www.cbpp.org/files/estatetaxmyths.pdf
You asked "So why is it that those who earn so much more expect they shouldn't have to pay more?" To quote the favorite liberal phrase, because that's not fair.:-) They certainly aren't receiving more services so back at you; why should tax rates be progressive? In schools do we have different systems so that the smart kids need to get 90% for an A but other kids only need to get a 70% for an A? At the grocery store, do you get charged $4.15 for milk because you can afford it but someone else pays $3.10 because they make less?

You said "I get to "set the wages" they make AND set the wages I make." I don't understand that. As an employer I don't really set the wages my employees make. The marketplace and the people who apply for the job set the wages. I can set the wage for a computer programer at $20K but I won't get one. I can try to hire a VP of Marketing with 20 years of experience for $20K and again, I won't get one. And a business owner can set their salary for $200K but if the business is losing money, they generally get paid last so their salary is $0.

And when did we start talking about inheritance taxes? But if you want to, start with telling us why the government should be able to tax property that has already been taxed, just because the person dies? If it's ok to tax the widow/kids on the estate before they take it, why not tax your wages when you get them, and then tax your wife/kids on your wages before they are allowed to spend the money? What's the difference?
SeenItBefore

Jenison, MI

#75 Jan 6, 2013
FLBeaver wrote:
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You asked "So why is it that those who earn so much more expect they shouldn't have to pay more?" To quote the favorite liberal phrase, because that's not fair.:-) They certainly aren't receiving more services so back at you; why should tax rates be progressive? In schools do we have different systems so that the smart kids need to get 90% for an A but other kids only need to get a 70% for an A? At the grocery store, do you get charged $4.15 for milk because you can afford it but someone else pays $3.10 because they make less?
You said "I get to "set the wages" they make AND set the wages I make." I don't understand that. As an employer I don't really set the wages my employees make. The marketplace and the people who apply for the job set the wages. I can set the wage for a computer programer at $20K but I won't get one. I can try to hire a VP of Marketing with 20 years of experience for $20K and again, I won't get one. And a business owner can set their salary for $200K but if the business is losing money, they generally get paid last so their salary is $0.
And when did we start talking about inheritance taxes? But if you want to, start with telling us why the government should be able to tax property that has already been taxed, just because the person dies? If it's ok to tax the widow/kids on the estate before they take it, why not tax your wages when you get them, and then tax your wife/kids on your wages before they are allowed to spend the money? What's the difference?
Interesting how my post to this got deleted. It did show up and now it's gone.

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